New book .The afib cure .

[Ger12345]

Exciting New book coming soon . The afib cure , by John day and others .

[CDreamer]

Yes, already posted by Ectopic this morning but post removed or deleted?

Looks interesting.

[Ger12345 in reply to CDreamer]

I have noticed posts disappearing ,anything of the beaten track and it's gone.

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Ger12345]

Anything percieved as advertising CD?. Doesn't worry me if people want to read such things but my usual scepticism would be working overtime. I haven't

heard of any complaints about the original posts though. Not that anybody ever tells me anything. lol 😁

[CDreamer in reply to BobD]

Well the book is by an EP from US and from what I could gather, talking about bio-markers for AF, lifestyle changes and ablation. Nothing obviously off the mark. Could have been because there was photo from Amazon site?

And I’ve put plenty of links up for books which I thought might of direct interest to those with AF along similar lines & they didn’t disappear. Obviously we don’t know if was deleted by poster or removed.

Best stay in ignorance Bob 🙈🙉🙊

[CDreamer in reply to CDreamer]

😘

[Hidden in reply to BobD]

Frankly Bob, I don't visit this forum like I used to. TOO many useless game like postings that one has to step side to side to find a real question or information post.I don't want to be mean, but aren't there other places to post "what is your favourite game?" with possibly as many as 3 different such posts in one day by the same person?

I know several others feel the same way but we all keep quiet about it.

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Hidden]

Sorry you lost me there.

[Hidden in reply to BobD]

Bob, I'm talking about spam , posts that have nothing to do with AFIB. I can understand the odd one but not multiple daily such posts that it makes the forum here a mine field of legitimate posts and posts that are just of no relation what so ever to the forum info we come here for, like "what language would you like to learn". Or, this my favourite soup. Most of us are here for info, news, updates, not non related posts like I mentioned. This is a health info site not a fun ,games and social site.

There are many social and games sites for such posts but not here . Anything other than not related to the AFIB forum is SPAM, it says so in the COMMUNITY GUIDELINES. As I mentioned initially , others have been pointing this out to each other privately as no one wants to speak out like I'm doing. I feel bad about it but I'm just pointing out the Community guidelines of using this site.

Is this site moderated by a designated moderator or are you taking on the duties?

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Hidden]

This is a non moderated forum but to be honest I have not seen any of the things you are suggesting and were I to I would report it as any person is able to do using the report button under each post. HUL or AFA admin will then attend to it as they see fit.

Obviously with the current pandemic there is a lot of interest and discussion regarding vaccines and their effect (or not) on AF which are considered relevant and acceptable.

Perhaps if there are thing which offend you then you may use the report facility which is avalaible to all users.

[waveylines in reply to Hidden]

I think you will find they are posts from another group called Positive Thinking -wellbring cant quite remember the name. They are nothing to do with this group. Healthunlock sends them. Im finding it annoying as it knocks out any other alerts from other groups. Keep meaning to send a message to the admin team about it. Its very annoying!!!

[BobD Volunteer in reply to waveylines]

Oh that might explain it Wavylines. Thought I was missing something!

[waveylines in reply to BobD]

😃 Its not you Bob. I think they joined me because I clicked on the group out of curiosity. I have to ask to be removed from their listing then it should stop.... 🤞

[Hidden in reply to waveylines]

Everything I have said APPLIES to this forum. And, no I have not being joined to another forum. Someone here is posting non AF items because of bordum , at times 3-4 posts in one day totally unrelated to the subject we all come here for. I'm sure like me you come here to learn or ask a question re your AFIB condition. You surely are not coming here to learn about making Algerian Flat bread or your favourite nursery poem.

I have run large volume forums and my own web pages with 10's of 1000's of posts daily. So, I'm certainly not new at this. I think I know when another forum gets crossed. But, perhaps my explanation in Canadian English is not well understood

on this forum !! What is being posted is actually SPAM according the COMMUNITY GUIDELINES for this particular forum. Yet it continues unabbated due to poor or no experienced moderation. That is why not just me but others are avoiding and even deleting their accounts.

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Hidden]

I think you may have the explaination now Mrhermyl, in that you are confusing two seperate forums.

[Hidden in reply to BobD]

It's OK Bob, thank you. I'm not confusing any forums. This is the only one programed into my computer so I don't see any other forums. No worries Bob. Sad that this forum is not properly moderated by experienced personnel.I've been working with 50,000 member blogs and programming websites so I do know a bit about the computing industry.

Cheers my friend.

[BobD Volunteer in reply to Hidden]

Strange only a very few people seem to get this and only ones who have clicked on the other site.

[waveylines in reply to Hidden]

Healthunlolck is one very large site composed of mutiple small forums within it. Each section is moderated by volunteers of that forum. They do not get paid but do it out of the kindness of their hearts. I personally have not see span on Afib Association.

The posts that Im talking about are on the Wellbeing Forum and they do ask questions like what is your favourite soup etc..... You only have to click on one of those posts and Healthunlock automatically enroll you and you start to get a daily digest of all those small forums you have joined. If you dont want notifications from the Wellbeing Forum you need to contact the administrator of The Wellbeing Forum and they will remove you from their list. The notifications will then stop from that specific section.

Please be kind about the Wellbeing group -the posts have been placed by people who are looking for mental health support.......currently in the midst of a pandemic thats a fair few people!! And anyone of us may appreciate their support at some point. Thanks

[doodle68]

I am not a fan of Dr John Day who seems to spend a lot of time selling things , I have read a number of articles by him and they always seem to end up with 'subscribe to continue reading ' or a link to his latest book. I find this really off putting.

Give me Doctor John Mandrola any day, I feel he is giving his advice as someone who actually has AF and freely without obligation to help fellow sufferers.

[CDreamer in reply to doodle68]

I’m neutral as I’ve not read anything of his but I am intrigued by the outline of the contents.

I’ve no problem with people being paid for their academic content & writing and there are some who are more generous with open source content than others but I also bear in mind where their income might come from and don’t assume they are always sharing from the goodness of their heart.

[Diver2 in reply to doodle68]

Dr Mandrola also has a blog aimed at other EPs and is highly regarded in the field. Was my first EP and very helpful in explaining how to read my EKG. Had two ablation with him and the he sent me to the doctor who taught him how to do ablations for the third ablation I had. Cares very much about trying to learn as much as he can about Afib to teach his patients!

[GrannyE in reply to doodle68]

Thank you. Will look him up.

[Paulbounce]

I can't speak good or bad about John Day - I haven't read anything about him or his theories about afib.

CD wrote

"talking about bio-markers for AF, lifestyle changes and ablation"

Maybe he is as honest as the day is long or out to make a buck - who knows. CD's comment about lifestyle changes rings true. Maybe his book is worth a read - even if a few things are correct.

It's every ones personal decision IMO. However I wouldn't pay the price asked on Amazon unless I'm sure it would contain useful information.

Thanks anyway Geri for the info about the book.

Paul

[doodle68 in reply to Paulbounce]

Hi Paul 🙂 you say...''who knows. CD's comment about lifestyle changes rings true''.

Oh yes , for sure, the right kind of lifestyle changes have been shown to benefit those with AF we know that from various studies , I will agree with anyone who says that and I can tell you that for free no book purchase necessary.

[Paulbounce in reply to doodle68]

100% agree Doodle

Paul

[Tomred in reply to doodle68]

Hi doodle what are the lifestyle changes you speak off and can anyone definately say that lifestyle changes have made a real difference to their afib

[doodle68 in reply to Tomred]

Hi Tomred there have been a number of studies into lifestyle changes aimed at delaying the progression of AF and reducing the intensity and frequency of episodes, I think the Legacy study was one of the first and that was about losing weigh and maintaining the weight loss. The study (which you can look up online) concluded..

''Long-term sustained weight loss is associated with significant reduction of AF burden and maintenance of sinus rhythm. ''

Other recommended lifestyle changes that may benefit AFers include eating a healthy diet along the lines of the Mediterranean diet, avoiding alcohol ,avoiding stress, regular moderate excercise, adequate sleep.

There is lots of information and studies about the subject on the Net.

Personally I don't think there is a 'cure' for AF just measures to alleviate or remove the symptoms.

[Tomred in reply to doodle68]

Thanks doodle I'll have a look at Legacy study I hadn't heard of it until now

[waveylines in reply to Tomred]

Gluten free has helped me loads BUT I had loads of symptoms pointing to gluten intolerance. My Afib has currently really settled down. So when they talk about removing stress from life consider if your diet is stessing your body!

[GrannyE in reply to doodle68]

I think you are right but anything which ameliorates the symptoms has to be good. The lifestyle changes you have listed are extremely sensible and would benefit everyone not just us lot

[Hidden]

I've ordered it, hes well thought of in the US, very keen on the impact of lifestyle on AF ! I'll let people know if it's worth the 12 or so quid I've shelled out !

[GrannyE in reply to Hidden]

Yes please and also a few of the guidelines recommended by him. Unfortunately I believe that there are many out there on the web trying to make a living out of those of us who are desperate to try something to get better.

[Spangle14]

It's good to keep an open mind about these things. I believe that not enough emphasis is put on lifestyle and natural remedies. Even if there is no magical 'cure' I'm sure that lifestyle changes can make a huge difference on management. It is very easy to medicate but a huge lifestyle change takes great effort and we should always remember that there is no profit to be had by the huge pharma companies if people choose lifestyle over drugs. Before anyone jumps on me, I would like to make the point that modern medicine and pharmacological developments are truly wonderful and have saved many lives. It's all about perspective and not putting all our eggs in one basket.

[AstroFish]

I am conflicted as to whether buy this or not. I have already tweaked my lifestyle snd it’s been very successful so I’m not sure what it can tell me that I’m not already doing. Other than lose weight, exercise, restrict excess carbs and sugar, ditch alcohol, get sleep snd avoid anxiety - what else is there? I’ve done all of the above and it’s really helped - I don’t feel there’s room for too many more practical changes.

[Hidden in reply to AstroFish]

I doubt whether the book will provide a “cure” for AF- that impression was confirmed by reading the first preview pages of the Kindle version on Amazon. That said, I will probably purchase a copy as it might provide a few useful tips and ideas.At least one of the authors is very well- thought of as an EP and publishes academic papers fairly widely, which is encouraging.

[secondtry]

I did the original post re this new book and I guess it was taken down because of including a screen shot of Amazon, which I did for convenience; I have no commercial interest, which I told Admin. Anyway, I don't think it will have all the answers but I found with my AF journey that just one Lifestyle tip that works for you is well worth the cost of 10+ books. I have read his book on Longevity, which was good.

[goldey]

When I first had my cardiac arrests and was diagnosed with heart failure & AFIB, I read all the books. They are all pretty much the same, if there is anything new or different, it is just some guy's theory. So I feel the same about these books as I do about all those "The Cure For Cancer" books. IF THERE WAS A REAL CURE FOR CANCER FOUND it wouldn't be announced in some obscure book -- the whole world would know, it would be the top story on the news. If somebody found a real cure for AFIB, I think it would also be on the news.