Question I just wanted to ask everyone?
Does talking stimulate your vague nerve? - Atrial Fibrillati...
Does talking stimulate your vague nerve?
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Rather an interesting question! My AF is thought to be predominantly of vagal origin. Many years ago I went into AF in the middle of a prolonged stimulating conversation with someone I had just been introduced to !!
BobDVolunteer
Stimulation would normal make AF less likely is my understanding. A leading EP told me years ago that AF was more likely "when the vagal tone was low" ie when sleeping.
That said AF is such a mongrel condition anything is possible..
Even though my AF is controlled by Flecainide, I am careful when having a good, excited natter with friends as my heart will go wobbly. I had always assumed it was caused by poor breathing - too much air out and not enough in, so to speak.
Never thought of vagus nerve - as Bob says, anything is possible.
I think the issue here is not the talking per se but as already mentioned the breathing & the emotional stress. I agree with Bob regular relaxed talk should do the opposite and my Naturopath recommends singing lessons.
I like the idea of a vague nerve ( it could explain a lot)
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so do I sometimes it's very vague !
The Vagus nerve is the largest nerve in the body and complex and winds it’s self all through. I’m not surprised. I agree with the breathing and excitability of talking, very possible.
It seems to me talking is likely to stimulate the vagus nerve as it involves and stimulates the whole nervous system. However, I wouldn't have thought talking necessarily leads to better regulation of the vagal system. It would depend on the nature of the engagement. If during a conversation we feel we are seen, heard and valued, the exchange is likely to be beneficial. If, for whatever reason, we experience stress as a result of our talking then we are unlikely to end up in a better place.
Going retail shopping with my friends gets my heart all of a flutter. Thinks it’s a combo of the increased chatter & excitement 🛍🤣
Being stuck, on the end of a phone, with someone who's talking non stop about themselves for ages sets my AF off and I never get the chance to say a word!!!🙄
put the phone down Jeanjeannie50 and chill Babe !
You wouldn't believe the things I've done and said to get rid of them, rang my own doorbell, told them I've dropped something all over the floor, need the toilet, must get dinner - the list goes on!
Men don't appear to get stuck on the phone the same way as we ladies do. So you probably don't know what it's like!
You are too polite Jean. 😀.
My stock reply is - My goodness, look at the time, so lovely to hear from you but I musn’t keep you any longer, Bye.
Like that.
Your nerves and glands are stimulated by tons of stuff - just getting excited can cause your adrenal gland to put adrenalin into your blood stream - which causes your heart to beat fast.
I have always thought all Afib patients have a similar problem happening within our bodies that is causing our afib problems. After 17 years of watching my afib come and go, and logging everything I eat, I am pretty sure our hearts are fine but we have a problem with a gland(s) or an organ(s). For example:
1). The Sympathetic Nerve INCREASES the heart rate.
2). The Vagus Nerve DECREASES the heart rate.
3). The Adrenal Gland INCREASES the heart rate (with adrenaline), heightens
anxiety.
4). The Thyroid Gland both DECREASES and INCREASES the heart rate, and
heart strength.
5). The Hypothalamus Gland produces hormones directing other glands to do
stuff.
6). The Pancreas processes sugar, which cause other glands to do different
things.
7). To further complicate the situation, when one gland stops working, sometimes another gland will try to pick up the slack.
Plus - there are lots more glands in the body, plus don't forget the organs, which (some) also influence the heart rate, for example:
Medulla in Brain: Heart rate can be increased or decreased by impulses brought to
the SAN or AVN by nerves originating in the medulla oblongata of the brain.
The endocrine system of gland processing is complex – it’s a wonder it works at all.
For a neat picture/information on all the glands, check out this URL: (Ctrl and click):
images.search.yahoo.com/sea...
Medications, chemicals, foods etc. can all cause our glands and organs to mis-fire. For me, sugar (and dehydration) are causing some gland(s) or organ(s) in my body to mis-fire, sending mixed signals to the heart - for example, telling the heart to beat fast and slow at the same time. This would explain why a healthy heart sometimes beats abnormally. It also explains why my heart afibs when I eat too much sugar, because the heart does NOT use sugar to contract (uses fatty acids) so obviously sugar/dehydration is causing something to misfire which in turn is directing the heart to afib. In our old age, I suspect a gland or organ is not working as it used to, causing afib or other heart palpitations. Unfortunately doctors and researchers don't know what it is (yet). In the meantime we will have to listen to our bodies VERY closely to see what is causing our problems and reduce or eliminate our afib by reducing what triggers it.
several times I have been in AF and called a friend or they called me and realized while having a good chat that I am no longer in AF!
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