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Any thoughts on this parasite killer being useful to trat advanced prostate cancer....

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Tall_Allen profile image
Tall_Allen

Yes, snake oil. No clinical evidence whatsoever.

mrscruffy profile image
mrscruffy

Horrible idea with no science behind it

London441 profile image
London441

Just say no.

Doctorsceptic profile image
Doctorsceptic

Yes. Don’t go there. There is no clinical evidence to support its use in humans as an anticancer drug and it is potentially toxic.

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pd63

OK for tape worms and such like

traxcavator profile image
traxcavator

While I was waiting for another treatment, I tried Ivermectin, Birm, Tumeric, mushrooms, etc. for over a month. I saw no change in rate-of-change in PSA. As far as I can tell, it did neither good nor harm.

John

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woldpack25 in reply totraxcavator

What was your dose of ivermectin? And how often?

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dhccpa in reply totraxcavator

That's a pretty short interval for Ivermectin, but to each his own. My own experience is that IF it works, it only does so over a much longer period, and best in combo with regular treatment. But opinions do vary wildly.

dhccpa profile image
dhccpa

I've comments numerous times about this. You can search my comments.

I've used but only recommend along with regular treatment, never instead of. The jury is still way out on things like Ivermectin.

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DesertDaisy

Dr Kathleen Ruddy and Dr Paul Marik are currently performing an observational study, similar to the Framingham Heart Study examining the potential of ivermection as an anticancer agent.

Here is a link to an interview that Dr Ruddy did. Purely anecdotal evidence at this point.

theepochtimes.com/epochtv/t...

As dhccpa mentioned, it is best to do in combo with normal treatment.

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xxxsmith

As this forum shows, there are no treatment options for many cancers for a complete cure.... there are no human studies on Ivermectin and Fenbendazole because there is no money in it for the pharmaceuticals, and the FDA definitely promotes that industry. My question for the naysayers is this. Most pharmaceutical drugs are also potentially toxic as well. The parasitic drugs are FDA approved for large and small animals, including shrimp. Why doesn't the FDA approve these drugs to treat cancer in animals? Or at least have them tested? I have lost two pets to cancer and had I known about the drugs at that time I would have used them to save my pets if possible.

The answer is obvious... if these drugs were approved for animals to treat cancer and worked, the FDA would be under pressure to approve them for humans or at least conduct human studies. Simple answer and a possible solution for a huge problem, with a lot of "what ifs?" That is why people do not trust our health care system. These are not only "parasitic" drugs... any more then aspirin is a drug for only headaches. They could be possible cures for cancer or a host of other diseases if the FDA would simply support studies. Until then, we will never know their true potential.

Doctorsceptic profile image
Doctorsceptic in reply toxxxsmith

NO. Read New England J. Med October 20, 2021 on toxicity of unlicensed use of ivermectin in humans.

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conagher in reply toxxxsmith

I stopped taking Fenben in early in July. My PSA at time was 5. Late Sept my PSA was 8.7 Dec 10th my PSA was 16. I'm back on Fenbendazole.

I finished Radiation in Sept 2023 and my PSA never got under 5. I had been on Fenbendazole 222mg per day for over 2 years.

Science or not it worked for me to keep my mets cancer under control.

It darn sure isn't going to kill you.

I'm back on it as long as I can live. I start. Chemo Monday. Might just add Ivermectian half cc today.

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xxxsmith in reply toconagher

Interesting.... I found Fenben out of necessity. Six months ago I had a Holep procedure for an enlarged prostate. Despite an elevated PSA in the thirties for years, with no evidence of a tumor in my prostate, the follow-up biopsy showed cancer cells in the prostate. Since a Gleason scale was not possible due to the Holep procedure, my Urologist ordered a PET CT Prostate scan.

Before the scan was performed, my dermatologist found a tumor (the fourth) on my nose... an aggressive, invasive basal cell tumor with microtubules that had been missed during a previous Moe's procedure. Any radiation or radioactive exposure could turn the tumor into a "turbo" cancer, so any Prostate treatment had to wait until the basal cell was removed.

I had already had 3 flaps performed on my nose and another was not possible, so I would have to have a prosthetic nose, which I did not want. Besides, I am 81 years old and was a statistical "wash" as far as prostate treatment was concerned, so I opted or the "metabolic" route with FenBen.

It is now six months since my basal cell carcinoma was discovered, and the tumor has completely disappeared. My dermatologist is skeptical and wants another biopsy which I agreed to, and will be performed later this month. A comment will follow in a couple weeks!

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woldpack25

My friends mom had blood cancer. Went on no sugar diet which is really a low sugar diet and eating no foods with added sugar. And took ivermectin daily for 40 days. Cancer has been eliminated for 2 years now. I’ve read other stories as well about stage 4 cancers being healed but that one I personally can confirm.

I am taking on a holistic approach early. I am on the low sugar diet for 35 days taking 444 mg of fenbendazole, vitamin D, C, and zinc. Added tumerac and saw palmetto. I will be 72 hour fasting tomorrow. Research the cancer benefits but not recommended for bmi below 20.

Here is a link on alternative treatment if you are open minded but listen to your Drs of course :

onedaymd.com/2024/10/iverme...

I have now had 90 percent of the pain in my body reside since doing this. I am now holding from urinating every 20-30 mins to 2-3 hours so at least something is making me feel better. Started to feel it 30+ days into this.

I will be adding ivermectin next week at doses that needed to be calculated .

I get my Pscan Jan 16 and meet with oncology 1/28 so I am doing this before hand just to try something . I am going to have a psa test in 1-2 weeks with my last total 13.5/Free at 6 in early Dec. Gleason score was 10. Dr told me Monday expect stage 3 as best case based on the biopsy, advanced symptoms and bloodwork.

I am speaking with my sisters friend in 1-2 days that had stage 4 cancer all through his body, was given 6 months to live. He went on a 100 percent holistic regiment and healed himself and cancer free for 5+ years. Not sure exactly what all he did but will find out and post details.

Side note-My good friends wife was in stage 4 esophagus cancer, didn’t have much time left. Was healed by God in front me my eyes at a church service in Bethlehem PA at Assembly of God. I was there and everyone that attended felt the same electricity surge through their bodies when it happened. It was wild to witness. She is 8 years cancer free after her last scan showed 0 cancer. Have faith too. If you don’t know Jesus Christ, seek to. You never know what His plan is with you. Here is her husband talking about it and I am the “Jim” he mentions halfway through.

youtu.be/EVzqBG5f9PQ

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Professorgary in reply towoldpack25

Things have improved quite a bit from when I was diagnosed nearly 25 years ago. When I had a second biopsy and nearly all of the cancer was gone and I told my Uro what I had done he held his hands out with palms facing me and fingers going left to right and told me it was all anecdotal. No science and didn’t want to hear about it. I met with Sam Denmeade two weeks for the first time and when he viewed the biopsies his remark was “incredible”. He then asked me every detail of my alternative journey and wrote it down as I gave it to him. I also found that there is a lab dedicated to fighting prostate cancer by managing the gut bacteria. He told me they have six stool donors at present. The name of that is named the Karen Sfanos lab. The director is Dr. Karen Sfanos.

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j-o-h-n

Whatever Toots your Flute.....

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n

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Teufelshunde

I would suggest you look up Dr Makis substack. Lots of success there from actual use per his guidance. He pairs it with Fenben or Menben and sometimes SOC drugs. Before I decided on SRT after BCR, I used Fenben and it did lower PSA, but chose to go for cure possibility. My URO and good friend who is a good sounding board told me that when he went to Med School Loyola University that the standard of care for cancer were anti-parasite drugs!! Notice we still dont have any drugs that cure. Now seems lots of studies realizing the need for this. One thing to remember is that the GOLD STANDARD STUDIES standard is only there to protect Big Med. Most people on this and similar sites do not have the decade(s) to wait it out for that. In the meantime, i think the medical goal of "do no harm" is something to think about. Not advocating skipping curative SOC, but most users of the above drugs will see little to no side effects, and the cost is very low (hence the lack of interest/studies from Big Pharma).

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Professorgary

if you are really interested it is best to ask someone who has actually used it. I suggest you join the “my cancer story rocks” group on fb. You will first have to read some material by Joe Tippens. I have been following this group for about a year and have learned it helps some and does nothing for many. Kinda like all the SOC treatments. First google it and see what has been said in the few studies done.

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VictoryPC

Actually works to lower my CEA timor.markers for two years now and has my oncologist amazed but does nothing for PCa or PSA because it's largely Androgen dependant.

Hailwood profile image
Hailwood

No

Doctorsceptic profile image
Doctorsceptic

This question keeps popping and i wonder what is driving it.

There is no sound clinical evidence that invermectin is of benefit in prostate cancer. Furthermore it is potentially toxic if misused. Please don’t take it.

This was misused during COVID in the US and it caused serious harm to some. The myth arose because in populations with high prevalence of intestinal infestation their health improved - but nothing to do with covid!!

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JRLDH in reply toDoctorsceptic

It’s cheap, available at Tractor Supply, promoted by various influencers who target old men and works a bit like a Taxane by stabilizing microtubules and therefore messing with cell division (so it’s not totally without merit).

Add anecdotes where some have a drop of PSA because they use it together with other legit prescription prostate cancer drug and you’ll get people interested in it.

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mick345 in reply toDoctorsceptic

I was sick with Covid in 2021(First time catching it) I was getting worse and after 2 weeks was looking like I would be in hospital. Told the wife I am not dying on a ventilator, dump me in a park and let me die peacefully! Friend got me some ivermectin, applied the correct dose, I was 50% better after 24hrs and 100% better after a week. Did not take anything else. So I am convinced it saved me. As for the warnings from people hospitalised, as I have read, they took very high doses as they could not calculate the dose correctly. But all survived.

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Doctorsceptic in reply tomick345

I understand your point of view. But we know nothing about the interaction of the drug with other standard treatments.

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Doctorsceptic in reply tomick345

Hi again. Bear with me while I take a “critical” view of your Covid experience. As I am certain you are aware, the difficulty with interpreting your experience is that we cannot know whether you were just about to start improving anyway.

During Covid, UK NHS critical care doctors put together a national controlled trial of corticosteroids for sick patients critically ill with hypoxia. The trial recruitment was fast, the results positive, were implemented immediately and resulted in saving a huge number of lives.

Corticosteroids are cheap, and no commercial interest, so if the rationale (in this case damaging over production of inflammatory cytokines) and will are there, it can be done.

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mick345 in reply toDoctorsceptic

“the difficulty with interpreting your experience is that we cannot know whether you were just about to start improving anyway.”

I can guarantee this was not the case. I was ready for death. But each to their own, I know what worked for me. May not work for everyone.

I was just sharing my experience with it.

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Doctorsceptic in reply tomick345

Respect. Understood!

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Professorgary in reply tomick345

I hear you brother, please read my reply to doctorseptic below.

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Professorgary in reply toDoctorsceptic

I too had Covid with temps of 104 two nights and o2 levels of 88% and toughed it out at home. When I started getting better I certainly didn’t improve 50% in 24 hours at any time or 100% better after a week. It took months to get to feeling almost back to normal.

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Doctorsceptic in reply toProfessorgary

Are you suggesting that ivermectin might have helped you recover more rapidly??

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Professorgary in reply toDoctorsceptic

Since you used the words “might have” I would have to say yes because to say no I would be saying that I don’t believe it possible. Remember when abiraterone was first tested it did not meet the targeted goal even though it was very close. And then there is that very small subset that responds incredibly well for a very long time. Why? That being said I doubt I have enough faith in Ivermectin to try it for Covid if there was something available that is tested and approved. That was not the case when I had it in Dec. 2020.

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Doctorsceptic in reply toProfessorgary

Sure I get your perspective. And of course tested Meds took time to come through.

I think though that when recommending a therapy that large numbers ( or even small numbers who might risk it from desperation) might be persuaded to use, one needs more than anecdote. The clinical controlled trials (uk and USA) that were done in Covid did not show significant clinical benefit for ivermectin, and more to the point, the uk study did show clear benefit for budesonide, an inhaled corticosteroid, in one arm of the trial.

There is no reason why such a study could not be done for ivermectin inPCa! It requires interest, a good underlying rationale and willingness to act.

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Professorgary in reply toDoctorsceptic

There are some naturopathic doctors who promote colonics to clear the digestive tract of harmful bacteria, parasites and fungus. I used this 24 years ago when first diagnosed. My Uro told me it was anecdotal and not backed by science. He was a no name doctor who went by the SOC and told me I needed surgery. Two weeks Dr. Samuel Denmeade reviewed my 2000 and 2002 biopsies. There was an improvement that Dr. Samuel Meade referred to as incredible. I then told him everything I did which he wrote down. I told him I had pics of stool at beginning of cleanse and after colon was clean which required 2 cleanses this last time. He wanted to see them and asked me to describe my stool when not cleansing. He then told me that John Hopkins had 6 stool donors and a lab dedicated solely to studying the effect of gut bacteria on Pca. The lab is named the Karen Sfanos Lad. So what was anecdotal 25 years ago is now science. Now, isn’t that just special? Some folks are fine with waiting for others to find the answers and some “get er done” on their own.

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Doctorsceptic

Thank you for replying. There is an awful lot of potential snake oil talk in this series of posts.

People should read New England Journal of Med October 20, 2021 on toxic reactions from unlicensed use of ivermectin. It is not stuff to play around with.

I am as sceptical as the next guy about big pharma but a bit of critical thinking is also needed about the risk of following anecdotes. I can’t say it might not be a useful drug, but it requires controlled studies to demonstrate whether it is better or worse than placebo. There is government and charitable funding for repurposing of existing drugs, big pharma is not the only source of funds - but there has to be a good preclinical evidence base before considering its use in humans for treatment of cancer.

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Sachem

Dr John Campbell on YouTube has run several videos specific to IVM and also, it's relationship with FenBen. Apparently there has been thousands of studies of IVM & cancer done in Europe with positive results.

youtube.com/watch?v=DX0hqmg...

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rogerandme in reply toSachem

thanks for the video link

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