this is purely anecdotal and from direct personal experiences of myself and others I know. All strictly IMHO.
That said ….. first, hemp products are not federally regulated and the government differentiates hemp from marijuana. Standing in 100s of acres of fields, 70 miles south of me , are 10’ tall , bamboo looking hemp crops used for fabrics and otc medicinals. Products I’m mentioning below are commonly available in otc CBD stores and otc thru the U.S. Postal system nationwide. Many sites on the web sell these products freely , legally. ( they are not free ) pm me if you want some brand info.
This is an update on two current , widely available , hemp medicinals….. delta-8 and thc-P .
After extensive testing by a couple of friends and mostly the hammer ( my wife ) , delta-8 gummies sustain the claims for their ability to product hysterical laughing , relaxation and sleep promotion. Serious mood elevation and comfortable sleep. One note … these usually come in 25mg and 50 mg gummies , ….. and 25mg gels. Eating more than 50mg at a time is not recommended. The gels are much slower acting and far milder effects even tho they have the same akaloid content as a gummy.
Thc-P is a really new product also derived from hemp plants , it is claimed to be 10X to 33X ( more like 33X ) more powerful than delta-9 thc …. and comes in 1mg doses, usually combined with Delta-8 gummies . Sometimes the gummie might be 1mg thc-p , 25mg delta-8, 10mg delta-9combo. Eating more than one gummie , at a time, is not recommended for the newly initiated. Thc-p produces much less of an uncontrolled laugh session , but the euphoria is intense ….and BEST OF ALL , it has a marked “ pain management “ component- ability. You might like the thc-p better due to its toned down laugh factor, higher ( pun ) relaxation factor and surprising pain management abilities.
Once again, this info is absolutely from my personal experience and everyone is different, results may vary among everyone using these products. Just say’in. Strictly anecdotal and personal experience.
The pain mgt factor of thc-p is surprisingly strong and effective .
P.s. …. I’d suggest starting with half or a quarter gummie ( just slice ‘em with a knife ) , just to establish your tolerance threshold. Heavy cannabis users , prolly a half or whole ok. Infrequent or light cannabis consumers, start off easy . Just fyi.
as with everything like this …. “ always “ run this past your medical care team for their input to make sure this doesn’t conflict with your cancer care. You trust your life to your care team, seek their advice - input on products like this.
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this update, added some days after the original post : if you happen to buy the yellow thc-p tropical fruit flavored …… 25 mg delta-8, 10 mg thc-9, 1 mg thc-P ……..gummies :
I strongly suggest cutting your first gummie into halves at the least and quarters even better to start off with. These are VERY powerful and a whole one might be more intense than you expected. These “ still “ last well into the next day, going fairly strong. Don’t eat one tonight ( say ) and expect to drive to grandmaws house tomorrow, just say’in.
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I took a product called THC-100 when I had debilitating back pain, could not sleep for 3 days (pinched nerve in spine L4-5) It relived all pain within 15 minutes and lasted for 12-24 hours but it made me feel heavily drugged, it must have closed down my entire nervous system. I felt out to lunch mentally. Must have been THC-p. the label has no info., bought it at a Mamajuana Dispensary in California.
as I understand it … you can look this up on Google.
thc-p ( thcp , THCp ) was discovered / isolated in 2019, by an Italian scientist, in some pain relieving strains of medical marijuana and hemp plants. Thcp as a hemp derivative makes it federally legal. It’s called tetrahydracannabiphorol. It appears to be closely associated with the pain relief component of thc-9 marijuana. It has only recently been cost effective to isolate , since hemp plants have become legal and super plentiful. The government differentiates hemp and marijuana as two different species of plants. Untold tons of hemp are commonly grown all over the California Central Valley as a commercial farm product used to make ropes, clothes ….. anything fiber and pharmaceuticals like CBD and all the delta derivatives.
To my knowledge , all the popular deltas of either hemp or marijuana are heavy intoxicants. They all make you heavily stoned , it’s why they are isolated and sold. It’s the whole point for most buyers just like marijuana.
My own experience is moderation in everything. Too much of any intoxicant can become unpleasant. Here at home, even the heavily experienced Hammer doesn’t / won’t use more than 50 mg delta-8 per session, or more than 1 mg of thcp. More can make her “ too “ high.
Looking this info up on Google reveals a lot about it. The hammer also has a powerful back pain , she can be crying - writhing for hours. Kaiser used to give her Vicodin for it. Ever since the opiate mess, they tell her to exercise. Exercise doesn’t help at all and neither do NSAIDS. She seem to be back pain free while using thcp. She raves about how effective it is for her. I cannot use any form of hemp products, not even CBD … it triggers the Kaiser drug abuse testing I’m subjected to frequently.
Kaliber, interesting info! I only started edibles a few years ago, after not having had any thc since I was young. Holy crap, I was comatose on 5 MG!It's so different. I have never heard of THC-p
My brother-in-law, full agent orange disabled, used a lot of THC. He told the VA that he was using marijuana to wean himself off of opiods. They told him if he ever tested positive for THC they wouldn't give him anything for pain. He kept quiet and kept smoking. He passed away last Dec. RIP Ken.
Yea, it seems like things are changing a lot lately. and media spreads it like wildfire. Makes my head spin.
Kaiser is the same. I can’t use cannabis or products for the same reason. I’m drug tested randomly and numerous times. The hammer , otoh, is a cannabis professional. Sits right in front of me, while I watch. Yayahahahaya
Lg and my doctor both drug test us for same reason. He schedules appointments and stops for 30 days before he goes. It helps him for everything. Anytime he doesn't feel well, it helps. It's miserable on the 30 days that he has to stop in order to be tested.
people I know love vaping delta -8 , I know you do too. Delta-8 can become unpleasant if too much ( over 50mg ) is used at one time. For me, Delta 8 is a wonderful mood enhancer…. A laugh factory in gummie form.
that should do the job yayay yayayay yayay. Beer makes me sleepier than vodka but enough of either works. Good ole standard flexeril ( cyclobenzaprine) or atarax ( hydroxyzine) are good sleep inducers too.
Years ago Benadryl used to make me sleepy but , sadly, hasn’t done anything in years. Xanax helps induce sleep in me too. Sleep can sometimes be hard to come by. My wife has a prescription for ambien sleeping pills that make people sleepwalk and wake up across town. She’s never used them for fear of the night walking SEs.
Yes to the thc-p, NO to the ambien. My wife had a prescription years ago, and we would wake up in the morning to all kinds of surprises. And she never had any recall of sleepwalking, sleep eating, sleep redecorating, etc.
I got you totally there K. Spent last weekend at Kaiser‘s Sunnyside hospital in Portland with my moms. DEXA scan yesterday. Icing my ample abs right now In preparation for my Firmagon Depot at 3:30. I’ll be back at Kaiser for an appointment on Friday. The ambience is a part of our lives anymore.
I’m glad you’re back home and resting, I hope the pain is lessening and the rest of your day improves.
Yayahahaha Kaiser has trouble keeping oncologist. I’ve had 4 , so far… I’ve met two of them. Gonna meet my latest oncologist tomorrow. Not expecting much. Keeping my fingers crossed.
It’s a her ( i’m confused about all the pronouns , just say’in ) , but I don’t have a penis for her to see , maybe I can get a prescription for some of those mink lined penis tweezers … dunno …. ( . I know you’re just being my wingman-straightman ) …. Yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. I’ll get out of that house , tho, that will be a major win for me. That’s a good thing.
I saw a MO from another provider for a second opinion. She was fantastic! I wish she was my regular MO.
I’m gonna suggest that you get tested for mink fur allergies before you try those tweezers you keep lusting after. Myself, I wanted micro fiber, but I had to settle for a pair covered in Naugahyde.
Saw my new oncologist yesterday afternoon. She’s a 70+ , grey frizzy - un combed hair, thick glasses, housewife clothes , kinda absentminded and difficult to carry a coherent conversation with. Yayahahahaya yayahahahaya.
My new oncologist said ( three different times ) , that I’ve been “ very “ lucky yayaha ya ya yayaha.
Naugahyde eh ? Intriguing….. with rolls and pleats, or maybe the “ rich Corinthian leather “ look ( ie: Ricardo Montauban ) .. either way, hummmmmm. Well, I like it yayahahahaya yayahahahaya.
I’ve written this in a couple places , but if you happen to buy a jar of those yellow mango fruit gummies ( 25mg delta-8, 10mg thc-9 , 1mg thc-P ) , …. They may be more intense than you expected, trying a quarter to half a gummie first is “ strongly “ recommended . Plus they last , going strong, well into the next day. You might have to change your plans the day after you eat one. Just say’in
Amazon is sketchy with this type of product …. They openly sold delta8 and other products, but word was the government leaned on them to stop, even if it was legal Federally. Some people say that even their CBD products aren’t really CBD. I don’t know myself. I did buy 1/8 oz delta-8 buds a couple years ago , on Amazon , but even the legal hemp delta products aren’t listed there now.
Just dishevel the clothes you're wearing, then lay down and take up a row of seats. Then sleep your heart away,,,,with a note pinned to your shirt when you want to be awaken......
Passengers will not bother you and the bros think you're one of them. Works bro......
Thanks for the first hand report Kal! I have no care “Team” per se, just a MO who really doesn’t seem too interested. I might just give both of these hemp products a shot! Pain is a constant companion. Stress is a tag-a-long. Sounds like these might be helpful!
PSA has bounced back up to 0.74, left hip and neck hurt all the time, and lately right groin is barking, making me worried a bit. I see the MO next month, and will tell him how/if these Hemp items helped! Might ask him about a PSMA test, and maybe discuss SBRT at the same time. Or not. That is why they make Bourbon.
I’m just putting the info out there. The fact it’s legal federally and state wise except Montana ( so far ) , means getting it and trying it out is easy and legal ( for now ) Being able to get a mental uplift, laugh session is good for a lot of us. If we get some pain relief , so much the better. The only thing new here ( since you may have smoked marijuana since the 60s ) is isolating deltas from the whole complex of delta-9 marijuana. Everyone is differently tho … like everything , results will vary. I hope you get the benefits mentioned.
I hear you about the pains ….coincidentally , I’m having vicious pains myself. Like you my left groin sporadically, hurt my left arm at the socket ( happened at the end of my Zometa treatment, probably a result of the Zometa. It’s in the meat and not the bone so it might heal pretty soon I’m not sure. ) dragged the fridge door across the top of my left foot during Zometa. Couple days later it started bringing me out of deep sleep in pulsing intense pain. It’s a little calmer now , but shifting everything right because my left foot and arm are out of commission …. It has put undue strain on my right side met damages … now nearly whole body is a chorus of angry discomforts. Can’t lie down properly, can’t sit up properly…. Lean here, hold that tight to my body there . Cancer damaged joints all over joining in the party ….. making everything very difficult and tiring me out … testing my endurance. Professional grade “ it sucks “ yayahahahaya. Seeing my pcp this morning , not expecting much but hope is eternal yayayaya yayayayaya.
You know that saying “ cheer up things could be worse “ , … they were right …..I cheered up, and things got worse !!! Yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. I’m good , whatever.
My main goal right now would be sleep improvement (though I would be interested in experiencing all delta-8 and/or thc-P have to offer). Any preference if the primary goal is a good nights sleep?
That’s my wife’s main need as well. Strictly anecdotal, seems like with Delta eight it starts off as a stimulating effect that uplift and causes laughter. But after a while, it makes her very sleepy, and she lays down and gets quite good deep sleep out of it. Sawing the logs sleep. The thcp it’s less stimulating, but does impart strong, stoned high, ….. its pain relief, ability and delta eight style deep sleep combine to make it very effective for my wife. The pain, relief part helping her seriously painful lower back …… enormously. I know everybody is different and results will vary , but it’d be nice. If you do try it to get on here and let us know how it went for you. Yay or nay the info would be very useful.
This seems like a rapidly changing world of cannabis related activity …. Lots of changes happening . Changes like isolating the thc-P delta , which is currently thought to be the pain relieving element in cannabinoids. Next week may have even more revelations Yayahahahaya. Hopefully we’ll stumble upon a non narcotic pain tool , maybe thc-P will be it or lead to it. I hope so.
Having sleep issues while taking Lupron, I tried D8 gummies for a while now. The fact that it is not regulated gives me pause since most vendors seem sketchy in my Marijuana challenged state and all the Delta products seem marketed as edgy recreational products. (State can't legalize MJ, but has no trouble allowing every shadowy brand of Delta on the market. Politics.... go figure?) At any rate, I started with 10 mg, nothing, 25 mg, nothing, 50 mg, nothing, 75 mg, a little something in terms of sleep. I tried full spectrum CBD, THC+CBN and D9 as well with no effect. I did notice D8 and D9 have a slight pain reducing effect as well as a horrid aftertaste and a general feeling of body heaviness. My family doctor is OK with my experimentation, but I don't think I have found the doze or type that works for me. I don’t believe smoking it or going to a higher doze is wise. Tinctures don't work any better.
yep …. I clearly remember my decades long old friend Mike. You could grow the most outlandish purple, stinky - sticky bud and preroll it into 1.2 gm prerolls. The aroma would fill a city block. Any of us ( dozens of friends ) could take one , maybe two hits ( in the most hardcore ) and you were finished. Out for hours of blissful overload.
Then there was Mike !!! That guy could smoke an entire preroll of the same bud and not even feel it at all yayahahahaya yayahahahaya. Not eating it, not vaping, not smoking ever gave him more than a “ maybe I feel something “ result. He was freaky that way but illustrates how different each of us can be. Seems like body chemistry varies considerably among everyone.
I’d strongly advise not using more than 50mg of delta-8 at one time. As always, asking your medical crew - pcp is always the thing to do , to make sure they think you are healthy enough and you have no medical contraindications.
My purely anecdotal feedback is these products are crap and there's no regulatory body in charge of making sure any CBD product contains what it says it does. I've tried several and maybe they'll work once, sorta, but not reliable.
I hear you, and you are perfectly right to have your own view. That’s what the world should be ( but not necessarily is ) all about. These products like “ all “ marijuana products have been in most of their history ( excepting modern day California cannabis stores ) are just what they have always been. You grow it, you smoke it …. It works, you are stoned. Yayahahahaya. Hippies never gave “ testing “ , “ pesticides “ , or anything else a second thought. Probably things haven’t changed much in half a century. Did bad things come of it …. I dunno ….. prolly better than huffing glue or smok’in crack. Just say’in. Yayahahahaya.
I took Delta 8 gummies for awhile when I had some bone pain. I prefer the benzodiazepines though. When I did use them, I bought from Hometown Hero CDB as they help support Vets. Matters to me.
My concern with delta-8 and THCP is that they occur naturally in very small quantities, and thus are extracted and concentrated , or synthesized, in a lab using other chemicals that may be harmful to you.
You just don’t know how they are produced and therefore what you are consuming.
Do your own research. Or stick with broad spectrum CBD products by reputable manufacturers or Cannabis.
yep, it’s the same with marijuana. First it was buds, leaves and stems. If you got a clean product rated at 18% - 24% , you had the mother load. Then came rudimentary. Concentration of trichomes called hashish. Then isomisers that made 45%-58% concentration hash oil using solvents ( ? ), then came dabs and Pattie’s made with the bho method. Concentration up to high 90s now, but filled with ethers or butanes. Getting those solvents out completely is difficult.
The concentration in delta gummies is usually 25mg or less , I eat cannabis and I consume about 1000 mg ( one gram ) of decarbed cannabis product when I eat it. Like with everything, if you don’t feel comfortable about it , then avoid it. You wouldn’t enjoy the experience as much sitting around worrying about it. Being safe is always the best choice.
Yea I remember those movies “ reefer madness “ , maybe it’ll finally come to pass. Yayahahaha delta cannabinoid’s have been widely available around here since 2018 or a little earlier. Nothing much to remark about yet , except young kids getting it and becoming lazy and belligerent. It’s definitely an intoxicant, all intoxicants seem to have negative sides to them. California has super strict lab testing on hemp and cannabis products ( like their super strict gun laws ) and they are sold highly regulated. There is a strong prohibitionist or anti-intoxicant element in this state. I don’t know about other states, but California is freaky like that.
many ( prolly most ) of us here are ole men geriatric cases that have been consuming marijuana for 50 years or more. Most of us aren’t inclined to be too worried about long term effects at our age and in our circumstances.
That’s not say that isolating individual deltas from hemp … some being super powerful ….. that something negative might come of it …. But in this unique environment we find ourselves in, I’d suspect most of us aren’t too concerned about that.
Since I wrote this , I’ve been offered the opportunity to test out thcV gummies ( tetrahydrocannabaviran ). 20mg. To quote “ it’s found most prevalently in Sativa strains and is known to produce a more motivated , alert and energizing feeling of euphoria “ . I started out ( as suggested) with half a gummie until I know how I respond to it.
I hoping to beat some of the ADT energy loss , exhaustion, lack of motivation. Trying to not be sleepy all the time.
this strictly anecdotal,
So far : I’m both impressed and encouraged at the results. ThcV doesn’t get you high ( just barely noticeable if at all ). It is relaxing and calming and yes indeed it does chase the nods and wake you up noticeably. Not jittery but just kinda energized.
First down side : I love my energy restoring afternoon naps. No nappy time eating thcV. Maybe you could lie down and doze, but conditions would need to be idea ( no noises, interruptions etc ).
In me , the drugs with similar properties ( the nootropics , I’ve extensively tried more than 20 of ‘em ) work for 3-4 days and rapidly quit doing anything. I build up tolerance to nootropics at a blazing rate. It’ll take a few days to discover if this marijuana akaloid is good for long term or just short duration applications. I’m definitely very uncharacteristically awake this afternoon … this akaloid looks very promising. Two new marijuana akaloid discoveries, for me, in the last 8-10 days. ThcP definitely stones you an intense but nice relaxed high, for me , definitely kills pain in higher, quite stoned doses. This akaloid stone lasts for nearly 25 hours on one 1mg dose. Delta-8 gummies “ remain “ the laugh factory ….top of the fun stoned mountain. Not saying better than broad spectrum delta-9 thc marijuana sourced akaloids ( all the above hemp sourced ) but different and more focused on ( say ) laughter, relaxation, energy etc.
ima gonna guess this wide open coast to coast availability isn’t going to last forever ( too beneficial to stay legal, prohibitionist will attack it … )
Interesting stuff, could help a lot of guys here on the group.
Thats cool. Getting new life into the thread with some interesting info. Thread keeps giving ha.
Hadn't heard of that. Wikipedia had a summation of tetrahydrocannabaviran and some bold statements of cancer benefit, bg benefit etc.
I'm mostly more game for the Sativa strains so that good news.
I'm doing good. Even though a seed mix-up caused me to have a bunch of somewhat low potency homegrown, Zkittlez. Leans stronger in Indica than Sativa.
Yea I haven't beat my drum as I normally do in any cannabis thread lol, but help guys out is right. It puts a check mark next to about every SE we have to either diminish, reduce or alleviate.
Roger that buddy. I hate it when I plant seeds and get rag weeds instead of white widow yayahahahaya 3 1/2 months and surprise yayaha yayahaha. That’s why I nearly always grew clones. Perfect every time.
I’m hoping to find products out there that are helpful / beneficial for guys like me. Just putting some new ( to me ) info out there.
This is all very interesting! Do you think this is better than the medical marijuana? I've thought of trying something for pain and for some much needed smiles. July 1st this year, marijuana became legal next state over but my doctor won't let me mix my meds with it. I thought possibly my doc would allow THIS😊‼️ I'm so glad it has helped😁
Gosh there's alot more interesting posts here to read. I should have waited. p.s. I tried a friend's marijuana gummie 3 weeks ago and I felt like my face was so heavy and falling off and life was in slow motion and couldn't move for about 2 hours. I'm looking for happy not incapacitated 🤣 If I try that again, I'll need to try only a quarter gummie.
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