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More articles reinforcing the role of Exercise and PCa mortality

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I'm 3.8 miles from completing the Mt Fuji 46 mile Virtual run(walk) :-)

Completed the 64 mile Road to Hana and the 70 mile Niagara Falls treks, a bunch of 5ks, and two 100km ones. Get er done. FYI, here is the virtual website, if anyone wants to do one

theconqueror.events/all-cha...

Fight on, Hike On

Randy

I have the medals on my front desk counter. The wooden signs and Calligraphy were done by my patients 💙

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Sailing-Todd

These look interesting. How do the virtual postcards and street view work?

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dockam in reply to Sailing-Todd

Hi, the Conqueror app on your phone connects to your running app. In my case it's Map my run. As soon as you finish and save your trek, their app adds the miles to your Conqueror Quest. It then shows you via Google Maps where you are on their course. In the app you may pull up the street view in the bottom of the app.Postcards come up when you hit a certain landmark, it shows up in your Newsfeed

Mt Fuji 46 mile quest
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The Newsfeed shows what miles you did, what % you're at, and when you get a postcard

Mt Fuji postcard
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Here is my latest newsfeed

Mt Fuji newsfeed
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No17

Yes sir ! Exercice IS the best self medicine!

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Currumpaw

Since you are into that my friend, I thought this might interest you. Copy all between the lines. Don't go heavy, keep the reps in double digits and learning proper form is #1. ______________________________________________________________________________

Weightlifting Training for Distance Runners - Team USA

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I first read about weight training for injured runners in the magazine that The Vitamin Shoppe --once had--no more--alas!--gave customers without charge. Injured runners that used weight training to help heal injuries competed in races when better but without their normal training routines. They hadn't put in the miles they normally did. Surprisingly their times were better.

Barefoot? I live in Rhode Island. I had an ankle injury. I believe a tendon ripped badly. I found that running barefoot on the water packed sand at the water's edge, (RI has quite a few beaches), allowed my toes to flex and dig in a little. The cool water occasionally splashing on my feet was also helpful. We weren't made to wear shoes.

A Harvard professor that did a study on barefoot running in the video below.

youtu.be/7jrnj-7YKZE

The book, "Born to Run" might interest you.

I, at one time, when in my 20's and very early 30's would sometimes run 4 miles in paratrooper boots with a 2.5 pound ankle/wrist weight strapped on each wrist and ankle in 28 minutes--7 minute miles. Always completed in 28 minutes because I had more in the tank which to empty out I'd strip the weights off and do an eighth to quarter mile sprint until I was gasping for air.

You might enter the name, "Tarzan Brown" in your search bar. A RI barefoot runner who is a bit of a legend. I briefly met him when I was young and he was entering old age. It will be an interesting read.

Currumpaw

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Nusch

Thx for your post! Maybe you know Kevin Webber and his book DEAD MAN RUNNING. Great stuff. I‘m a runner, too - since youth. In earlier times I was doing couple of marathons, in these days I run between 8 and 12 km daily. Will definitely check the links and software.

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Hi, I've read Born to Run (also love that Springsteen song) and switched to the 5 finger Vibram toe shoes, wearing toe socks also. It took about 6 months to get used to them and then did a 1/2 marathon. Had used them for maybe 10 years, had no injuries with them thru dozens of marathons (155 total). They use the ankle as a natural shock absorber and spares the pounding on your joints.

Now, with ADT induced anemia and low hemoglobin, I mostly hike and I try and make sure that I'm heel striking to hopefully offset the Low T osteopenia that I have according to a recent DEXA scan. But, I really like being up at 4000ft as that helps with RBC production. I'm faster at sea level

That's an insane work out, wearing boots and ankle weight and still doing 7 min miles!!

Fight on Brother

Randy

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Currumpaw in reply to dockam

Wrist weights too! Held my watch in my left hand--couldn't wear it with the weight on my wrist.

"Form Follows Function". You understand the connection between the small shocks that are transmitted through the skeletal system which stimulates the body to deposit the minerals in the bones to make them stronger to meet the workload placed on them.

Interesting--first saw the "vibration plates" in a video done at a doctor's office in Sarasota. Designed to send those little shocks through the elderly's skeletal system that aren't able to exercise. A doctor that was using a vibration plate had a minor operation. He was surprised that he healed faster than he expected. One thing led to another and as more data came in sports teams, including the trainers for NFL teams found the plates did not only accelerate healing but also recovery from hard workouts. Gym Source sold the plates but with the pandemic--alas-- the Gym Source near me has closed. I enjoyed getting on Octane Fitness' Lateral X elliptical when I visited and "gassing" myself--emptying the tank. They never knew when the checkbook would come out. Amazon has vibration plates.

I did LIVE O2 sessions at my conventional/alternative Doc's practice. He sold the setup--offered it to me--cheap too--like a dummy I didn't buy it. Dave Ramsey said that in his younger days he a degree in D U M B. I had one those degrees the day I didn't buy the LIVE O2 setup.

Are you able to do short all out sprints? I use them for HIIT. As soon as my breathing almost returns to normal I do another. The idea is get to the "gasping for air" point, just about recover and then do it again--and again--and again.

Currumpaw

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dockam in reply to Currumpaw

Yea, I try and build in a quicker pace to get heart rate up and then slow back to a normal paceWrist weights too!! Awesome Brother

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dhccpa

Has anyone's oncologist recommended exercise to help with the cancer? Or at all? Not just OKed it if you asked, but actually brought it up and recommended it.

Just curious, since there seems to be a consensus here that of all "alternative" things, exercise is one of few that has actual evidence to go with it.

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My first MO wanted me to cut back on the marathons, but had already signed up for the 2015 Surf City in Huntington Beach. That's the first one that I wore a sign on my back saying "Advanced prostate cancer, chemo starts next week. Guys get checked"

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We also surmised that I never got neuropathy after 15 Taxotere sessions in 2015 due to my marathon fitness. The really fine capillaries in toes and fingers were well oxygenated.

Fight on

Randy

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dhccpa in reply to dockam

Good for you. Bet you're glad you stuck with it.

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Mahalo, yes, that was my "thing" to do marathons. 1st one in LA like in 1986, 2nd in 1998 -Rock n Roll San Diego. After the Dx, I had back bib signs for the like 30ish marathons, even had ones with all those men taken by accursed PCa. My lil way of spreading PCa awareness and then to Honor those taken :-(IMHO, doing endurance races gave ma a great mindset eg Life is a marathon, not a sprint"

Slow and steady...

Back bib from Surf City marathon
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NWLiving

Thad’s doctor at SCCA has always strongly recommended it.

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Lotta research out there. Exercise also increases BDNF (Brain Derived Neurotropic Factor)

which may offset cognitive issues and chemo brain

nature.com/articles/s41598-...

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London441

It’s good to hear these testimonials. More and more ‘evidence’ is coming out on the benefits of exercise, but those of us who live it know.

I always encourage who doesn’t exercise hard and regularly to not wait for proof of its power to ramp up. Do it now and ask questions later. You won’t have any. It is by far the best thing we can do for our health and body composition.

Good to see the weight training for runners info too. I notice a fair number of runners, long hikers etc that don’t lift have preventable issues as a result. Old ‘cardio kings’ need it, no matter how fit.

Weight training is essential for all older people in general, but our disease and especially its muscle wasting treatments make it non negotiable and a QOL boost like no other.

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dockam in reply to London441

Even before the PCa, I always encouraged my dental patients to be more active, and eat healthy. I was seeing so many of my patients just getting larger and on more meds.I would say "will it be easier to get in shape now or ten years from now?"

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Currumpaw in reply to London441

Hey London!

Preventable issues---yes indeed! The most complex joint in use when running is the ankle. Many parts in an ankle. I use a Parabody Hip Sled I have had for years to do calf work but I also let the weight stretch me at the bottom of the rep. I begin with a set with toes pointed straight ahead, next --pointed out, next--pointed in and finish with the toes straight for the final set. You can use body weight and stairs with railing as substitute if you haven't any equipment or weights. It is an important joint to strengthen.

Currumpaw

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DSJo

Thank you !!!

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NWLiving

BUT I will say that there is self selection- ie men are walking slower because they have compressed spinal cords, atrophy from years of chem, xtandi etc so are more physically impaired by their illnesses and the treatments so it would make sense that they fared worse in the long run. Thad used to run 5 K every morning so he started his treatments with a good base but now 8 years later he pushes himself to walk .5 mile and that’s a good day. I would say that the real message is that a guy would do better if he still pushed himself to exercise as far as he can. But not to beat him self up if he can’t do what he did.

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dockam in reply to NWLiving

Oh dang, that's so sad about Thad :-(.I have a degenerated L4 and L5 from being in a car a ton, sitting over patients as a DDS and marathoning. So, my Glory Days (another Springsteen song) are gone, but I still try and get out for hikes.

I'm never gonna be doing a marathon, or even a 1/2 ever, but I take what I can get.

Yes, push to exercise, challenge your body, but don't get hurt.

Cardio and weights will offset dang ADT side effects, and it gives me a sense of being in control of some aspect of dealing with #stageivpca

Fight on, hike on

Randy

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London441 in reply to NWLiving

This is a good point. Im sorry about Thad, but hopefully he is doing what he can.

At our age no matter what level of health or fitness we possess, it is obviously declining. Only a matter of degree, fast or slow. Delaying is the holy grail. Comparing our present selves to former serves only to despair over the loss.

Since Springsteen was mentioned, I think of ‘Glory Days’ here. No one wants to hear about what we used to be able to do. We lie or forget anyway! ‘The older I get, the better I was’ is one of my favorite expressions.

Making the best of what remains is all I think about.

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London441 in reply to London441

Sorry Randy I see you already invoked ‘Glory Days’. I, uh, forgot😃

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Done with this Virtual trek. Up next a 9.11km (5.65miles) next Sunday for 9/11

Mt Fuji 46 miler Medal

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