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without the ability to search just this forum i can not find the previous references to the use of selenium. what is the recommended does for us advanced PC guys. mine are 200 mcg each

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You can search this forum. Just type in selenium in the search routine

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spencoid2 in reply to 6357axbz

as far as i can tell searching does the whole healthunlocked system. i want information specific to advanced PC patients. most of the hits are for thyroid group?

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6357axbz in reply to spencoid2

At the top of each hit the specific PCa forum of the poster is clearly indicated. You can keep scrolling down until the header says Advanced Prostate Cancer

After you get the search results, you can filter these by selecting advanced PCa on the right hand side.

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spencoid2 in reply to GP24

great, i'll try that if i remember :)

Perhaps this can help

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

Avoid if you live in a high selenium area like California. Selenium supplementation increased the risk of high-grade PCa among men with higher selenium status by 91%.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/245...

"Administration of high doses of lycopene, Green Tea Catechins, and selenium in men harboring HGPIN and/or ASAP was associated with a higher incidence of PCa at re-biopsy and expression of microRNAs implicated in PCa progression at molecular analysis. The use of these supplements should be avoided. "

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

thanks for the warning.

Best supplement is pizza, pizza, pizza. Especially pepperoni. Pizza is the staff of life. Ok, pizza probably gave me APC. But a life spent eating pizza, is a life well spent.

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TomTom1111 in reply to monte1111

You would have been okay if added extra anchovies.

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spencoid2 in reply to TomTom1111

I need to bring anchovies when my friend is making pizza, I buy anchovies by the pound.

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TomTom1111 in reply to spencoid2

By the pound? How many anchovies are in a pound?

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monte1111 in reply to TomTom1111

That's a lot of anchovies staring at you.

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spencoid2 in reply to TomTom1111

i exaggerated, the cans are 14 ounces but I have bought more than one at a time. I have a new can, I will count them as I eat them and let you know when the can is finished. If you really need to know I can count them but they are packed like sardines (but they are anchovies) in the can and they will never fit back. If you buy these large cans get a good brand like Roland or try one can before you buy a dozen, some are awful.

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TomTom1111 in reply to spencoid2

Now I understand why your mailbox is 3 miles from your house....neighbors can't complain.

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spencoid2 in reply to TomTom1111

only 1.5 miles 3 is the round trip bike ride. anchovy farts have been known to travel miles.

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Bunkerboy in reply to TomTom1111

LOL😂. Indeed

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spencoid2 in reply to TomTom1111

I picked 6 anchovies and weighed them and of courses had to eat them. The average is 3.5 grams so that is an average of 129.7142857143 anchovies per pound, approximately.

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spencoid2 in reply to spencoid2

got the grams in a pound wrong so the correct number is 129.59782 approximately

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monte1111 in reply to TomTom1111

Or added chocolate chip ice cream - two scoops.

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TomTom1111 in reply to monte1111

now that may have been the source of your problems...pretending to be j-o-h-n.

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monte1111 in reply to TomTom1111

Yes. I am a trans-j-o-h-n. And that's all I have to say about that.

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Mascouche in reply to TomTom1111

You just made me realize that I have not seen a post from J-O-H-N in a while. Is he unwell?

I have a friend who makes organic vegetarian pizza, almost everything from the garden. I could probably live on that, it will certainly increase my appetite. I do try to avoid pepperoni etc but it is difficult with the husband buying all that stuff.

Husbands are always right.

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spencoid2 in reply to monte1111

I am a husband too, which of us is right?

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you can search this way, too: Go to google and type in site:healthunlocked.com/advanced-prostate-cancer selenium

You got me on that one.

Reply Selenium can be toxic in high doses. One Brazil nut is all one needs each day.

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spencoid2 in reply to Poowater

Great I have been wanting to visit Brazil :)

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monte1111 in reply to spencoid2

You are a nut.

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spencoid2 in reply to monte1111

No, I am a fruit. With a little nuttiness too. We are quite common in California.

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Purple-Bike in reply to Poowater

After reading this thread I am reducing intake from two Brazil nuts daily to one. No time to do the research, but this will hopefully mean the sweet spot between too much and too little for those of us living in selenium-poor regions.

I would recommend ditching the Brazil nuts altogether. There are much better choices. Walnuts almonds, pecans..pine nuts.

Brazil nuts are high in methionine..

Some say reducing intake can help slow pca progression.

Only now did the math. One Brazil nut has 70 - 90 mcg selenium. RDA 55 mcg. With some selenium from other foods about one nut per two days would suffice.Of the alternatives you suggested, I eat 5 - 10 walnuts per day however that will only provide a few mcg (5mcg per 100 g of walnuts, and about the same for almonds) so unfortunately those wonderful nuts don't seem to do it.

May I inquire about the concern with getting enough selenium?

Of course!I understand delenium deficiency to be a risk factor for prostate cancer. If so it is probably not good for us with pca either. See this post by Patrick, down in the text you find the data. Deficiency is also linked to other negative health outcomes.

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

Okay...thank you...I'm not sure that what prevents cancer can turn back the clock once cancer gets a stronghold ins the body....but a good psychology is equally important so in that vein...eat away...I was just curious...thanks for your response.

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monte1111 in reply to TomTom1111

You can have your selenium and eat it too.

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monte1111 in reply to monte1111

And really, as far as I am concerned, off with their nuts.

i had a purple bike at one time :) So is the consensus that 200 mcg a day poses no risk unless already at a good selenium level? should i get a hair test? i asked my local gardener and he says their soil is supplemented with whatever the soil test recommended including micro nutrients but i need to get more details,

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monte1111 in reply to spencoid2

Ask Peewee Herman.

That's great - let's form a subgroup on this forum - Proud Purple-bikers with Prostate cancer! 🙂

Don't know about the 200mcg, possibly TallAllen's links point to a lower number.

Why go for 200 if around 60 is enough?

I will go for one Brazil nut per weekday, with nothing on weekends when I am usually away.

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treedown in reply to Purple-Bike

Count me in I have a purple bicycle and PC.

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spencoid2 in reply to TomTom1111

so how many slices of pecan pie would be necessary per day?

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TomTom1111 in reply to spencoid2

2 plus 2 anchovo

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spencoid2 in reply to TomTom1111

i'll get my doctor to prescribe pecan pie and anchovy pizza. i can get medicare to pay for it :)

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TomTom1111 in reply to spencoid2

Perfect now don't forget a nice 2x IPA with that pizza. .I'd rather die without and that's no joke

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TomTom1111 in reply to spencoid2

2 slices, 2 anchovies and 2 scoops chocolate chip ice cream

Good reply. I think there is a shortage of Brazilian nuts. There are only Peanuts around here.

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TomTom1111 in reply to monte1111

Are you sitting in the gallery?

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monte1111 in reply to TomTom1111

I am sitting on the throne.

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TomTom1111 in reply to monte1111

Depositing Brazil nuts

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monte1111 in reply to TomTom1111

It's more like Nutella.

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TomTom1111 in reply to monte1111

Now that's over the top.

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monte1111 in reply to TomTom1111

Yes it is. Goodnight all.

Selenium is a trace element so the maximum dose would be 200 micro grams. Check the selenium content of the soil in your area with the local agricultural department. Assuming you eat local vegetables. If the selenium is present, take a very low dose.

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spencoid2 in reply to Magnus1964

my main source of veggies is going to check his soil report hopefully after supplementing. i'll probably get a hair test if medicare pays for it.

see:

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

-Patrick

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spencoid2 in reply to pjoshea13

thanks, great article. i will check the soil. during the summer we buy most of our produce from a local organic farm. maybe they have had their soil tested. what about blood testing? does serum level mean anything?

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pjoshea13 in reply to spencoid2

Studies tend to look at toenail clippings.

There is also a hair test.

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spencoid2 in reply to pjoshea13

I know that hair contains a history of drug use etc so this makes sense. Is there any correlation between old mans toenails (which I have) and selenium deficiency by any chance? I would google the answer but am getting pack to go fishing. i think this might be the first time in a long time I did anything just for fun (and the fish) I enjoy my work so I do have fun being a workaholic.

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pjoshea13 in reply to spencoid2

"old man's toenails" is new to me.

Incidentally, for anyone interested in such, we have:

Comparative study of trace elements in blood, scalp hair and nails of prostate cancer patients in relation to healthy donors

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/252...

Full text: sci-hub.do/10.1007/s12011-0...

-Patrick

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