Anyone used Melatonin to help with sleep issues? Having difficulty in getting back to sleep after 3 or 4 nightly toilet visits. Dr suggests that I try 2mg Melatonin for 13 weeks but not too sure if that will knock me out, and end up causing more issues if I don't wake to go to the toilet!!! Any comments / advice appreciated. Thanks.
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I went through sleep studies and all that bullshit!!! Ended up on a CPAP because ???? Yes I snored but slept very well before ADT and EBRT.
Anyway, that did not help (except for snoring(the wife is thankful)) but they said up to 10mg of Melatonin is completely safe. I found Nature’s Bounty, Duel Spectrum Melatonin 5mg Bi-Layer. One layer to fall asleep and one to keep asleep. This seamed to work better than the previous 4x2mg I started with.
Adding A/c for the hot flashes helped too!!!
I use melatonin 5mg as needed for sleep. Never had trouble waking up to pee no matter the sleep aid. I'd use it more often, except that at the moment I'm taking other meds that induce sleep as a side effect and don't want to sedate myself any more than necessary.
One benefit of melatonin with prostate cancer is that it's rumored to help suppress the AR-V7 mutation that can cause castration resistance. If I recall correctly, at least one member is taking 40 mg a night for this reason.
Overall it seems to be one of the better choices in sleep aids.
Hi WSO, A further check shows that Melatonin isn't technically banned in the UK- but it is classed as a medicine, and while it can be prescribed, it is only in a 2mg dose and is only for those over 55 who suffer from a short term sleep disorder. So, therefore, it cannot be purchased over the counter and a medical professional is required to allow use. This notice is dated 28 Jan 2019. Of course, there are other suppliers just across the water in France who are willing to supply to UK customers.
I have the same . Except for me it 7 per night. I take 4.5 naltrexone and 20 mgs melatonin prescribed by a Md naturalpathic .. some men take 40 mgs melatonin.. no matter what you take your urology will poke you awake . The important part is to be anle to go right back into deep sleep.. exercise promote sleep also . The melatonin and the naltrexone will take that anxiety and rolling around not beating able to sleep away . It helps me . I’m thinking about upping my dose to 40 mgs. I did it to see what happened one day last week . I Slept even better with the 50 mgs.I have wild dreams each and every night. Finning thru the jungle. Don’t know who’s chasing me ...but they haven’t caught me yet. I Don’t remember any of my active dreams the next day . Take care 💤
Sorry to hear about the U.K. restrictions..Melatonin is naturally produced inside of us . Crazy they limit it to you . Naturalpathics believe in a much higher dose . My nighttime adventures aren’t pretty . Between the night sweats and polo up to pee 7 times , running ftom whoever’s chasing me has become my routine for five years . 😂😂😂crazy business APC is . Take care
Obtaining the Melatonin is thankfully not the issue, as my local GP is happy to prescribe this for me and I get all medication free in Scotland. The main concern that I had was that the Melatonin might knock me out and cause more problems by me not making it to the toilet on time!!!. That fear has more or less been removed by first-hand info from Melatonin user's who responded on this site. Though I have no doubt that Melatonin could be shipped direct from the US, I think that UK customs might seize it!
Yes sir. When I do remember my dreams, I'm usually in an impossible situation. Wait, I'm in an impossible situation now! Maybe not? Friend just had 9 hour surgery for stomach / esophagus cancer Thursday. He's looking good. May have dodged the bullet! Hope everyone here can find the cure. Just as you did. I'll buy you a hamburger, if you pay me Tuesday.
Sleep is a huge issue. Can tell from so many replies. I'm down to about 3 times now. First 2 I have a snack. Now listen to Spotify podcasts on 2 paired Echo's. Set timer for what I want. Works for me. I tried out for the j-o-h-n school of comedy. I was rejected and his ex-wife is now chasing me with a double bladed axe.
ADT affected my sleep. Tried Melatonin but it gave me weird weird dreams. Tried for a wk hoping I'd adjust. Didn't happen. Also tried OTC sleep meds. Nothing helped. Recently, i tried medical pot. Not smoking. Gummies. 20mg. Worked! Started about an hr before bed. Slept the entire night!! First time in year and a half while on Lupron. Good luck! Edinbaltimore
I have had a few episodes of a little leakage at night after surgery and radiation and I am nervous about taking a big dose of Melatonin all at once. I want to make sure I wake up in time.
My routine is read a book for about 15 mins in bed which gets me drowsy and I fall asleep pretty quickly. I wake up 3 times a night to pee, and then aftereach time I bite off about 1/3 of a 15 mg chew-able Melatonin. That covers my 3 trips to pee a night and I fall back to sleep pretty quickly after each trip.
I too have some pretty vivid dreams, but for the most part I enjoy them. I wish my mind was that creative when I am awake!
Let me give you a guide for Sleep thru the use of Herbs that us Naturopaths use for sleep.
The following is a list of Herbs you can buy in Capsule form
The use of any 2 above will knock you out. They are all obtainable on Amazon. As well they sell all kinds of Melatonin---if the UK will not allow the Melatonin to come in thru Amazon, then see if you can get the following for going back to sleep, after getting up to pee. The Melatonin I recommend is any of these---> 1 mg, 2 mg 2.5 mg--they must be sublingual, which means you place them under your tongue. So when coming back from the Loo, just place one under your tongue and you will be sleeping again in 5 minutes. If you cannot get sublingual from Amazon, because it is blocked, or from what is available in the UK, I would be glad to mail you a 1,000 tablets.
One thing if you use Magnolia Bark, you should never use during the day, as you can fall asleep driving.
Personally I like Lavender with Valerian Root. Some companies will sell Sleep Herb combination capsules--many excess ingredients are not necessary---the 4 above will do the job.
If you cannot get the Melatonin I suggest for getting back to sleep after a bathroom stop. Let me know.
Many thanks for your input. I have found your regular contributions to this site interesting, and intend to investigate further the list of natural herbs you listed to see if I would benefit from any of them.
My main issue was what the effects would be in taking melatonin, as my GP was not too sure how it would affect my bladder signals when I need to 'ease springs' through the night. As I am taking tamulosin, that also has a bearing on the issue. Although the supply of melatonin is not an issue, I am aware that Amazon and other suppliers will supply melatonin direct from the US to UK customers, the problem would be at the UK customs end!
My original fears of taking melatonin and failing to wake when my bladder signals, have been put to rest by feedback from other contributors. My next course of action will be to see my local GP and arrange for a course of melatonin and see where that takes me. Dreams or not...., I am looking forward to getting a more restful night and not waking every morning feeling like I have been through a cycle in the spin-drier!
Again on the Melatonin--you need the Sublingual--not the swallow pill type.
Melatonin to some can be a slight diuretic. That is why I suggested getting a low dose 1-2, mg sublingual. When I get up to pee---I pop a 1 mg sublingual under the tongue and I am gone dreaming in 5 minutes. If i wake up again and it is still dark I do it again--and back to sleep I go. The swallow pill types take to long to kick in--IMO.
Always keep bedroom very dark. The darker the room the better Melatonin works.
I traveled many years Internationally across many time zones--and started using Melatonin back in the mid-1990's, and never missed a signal from my bladder. But still saying what I originally laid out--to knock yourself out with the herbs, and keep Melatonin as a standby to place under your tongue when coming back from the Loo to go back to sleep.
You really do not have to study this--it works, period, what I laid out.
I do not use but I doctor my wife, and what we use for her is the following
*Swanson's Lavender Flower 400 mgs 30 caps. per bottle about 7 Dollars US. Might want to buy 3 bottles at a time.
*Now's Valerian Root 500 mgs 250 caps. about 11 Dollars US.
Both can be obtained on Amazon.
Also as an aside, either one of these if having anxiety during the day can be used to help eliminate anxiety, or panic attacks.
Both combined at night about 40 minutes before intended sleep, is what we do at my home for my wife.
On Amazon, you can read the ratings and comments.
Thanks for your comments.
I too have tried using sounds and easy listening classical music in a bid to get to sleep. Normally works ok at first but then at around 01:30; 03:15; 04:50 and 06:40 it becomes a bit difficult to fiddle with the controls, and that just wakes me up more!!! I am going to try the melatonin.
I ried melatonin years ago - I got nightmares, truly bizarre and vivid, reminding me of hallucinations I had when I had encephalitis as a kid - so it didn't give me good sleep. Didn't do well with 5-HTP either - knocks me out but again the dreams making me feel like I'm awake all night (but it's a naurally occuring amino acid that the body turns into serotonin among other things). Other herbal sleep aids did nothing for me. When I didn't take anything for sleep I'd wake up at like 3am and start having catastrophic thoughts, like "I'm doomed! I'm gonna die and not exist anymore!" and wind up petrified and enormously anxious and never get back to sleep. Told my regular doctor about it - waking up and not being able to get back to sleep - and he prescribed mirtazapine (Remeron). It's an anti-depressant mainly (and I already take bupropion), but it also can be a sleep aid, esp. for sleep disturbed by depression and anxiety (which PC has given me plenty of) and it's the only thing I've taken that allows me to get back to sleep without stressing - and that includes getting up to pee (and now that I'm hooked up to a CPAP I just keep a pee bottle next to the bed so I don't have to unhook and rehook myself, which would make me wake up more). The normal dose is 15mg, but that knocked me for a loop so I've been taking 7.5mg (half a pill) for a few years now and it's worked really well, haven't had any side effects once I adapted to it, which took a week or two.
Thanks for your comments. Would not have liked to have gone through what you have, and hopefully you are in a more settled place now. Although I have been most fortunate in that I have not unduly worried myself about my cancer, this is more due to fact that my wife (53 years married), developed dementia some 4 years ago and has gradually worsened over time. Nothing like having my mind focused away from my own issues! Intend to try melatonin and see where that gets me, hopefully a good nights sleep for once.
Thanks for your input. Is that a merle Border you have there?
My constant sidekick is a 4 YO Border bitch (Islay). We do 4 or 5 miles a day across country and woodland, helping me keep reasonably fit. She is fantastic company, extremely intelligent, terrific entertainer and sooo spoiled..., but she gives so much more back in companionship and her eagerness to please just never stops.
Skye is a 3 year old Merle Border. Medium drive. I wish I had something more for her to heard other than chickens but she doesn't complain. Great for hikes and fly ball. In fact her birth day was on Valentines Day. And yes, awesome companion and friend to all. We truly do not deserve these fine partners. I hope to get up to 4 miles hiking this Spring.
One last thing, I recently read Jane McLelland's book, How to Starve Cancer, very interesting.
Some tolerate melatonin better than others.
I use a herbal cocktail to sleep (I'm a hardcore case - insomniac) which includes at least 20 mg of melatonin.
Melatonin hangovers might be an issue for some, but for me - not a problem.
A small dosage (less than 5 mg) should not become a big deal.
I doubt that it would be a negative for you.
Trying to fix your sleep cycle would be a good thing for your overall well being.
If melatonin doesn't work, there are other things to try that are non habit forming or addicting.
Some include ashwaganda, L-theanine, passion flower, magnesium (there are varied forms that you'd need to look at), valerian, hops flower, chamomille and a few others to consider.
Some of the herbals are blended to make a mix that offers some of them combined (see Amazon for example - herbal / sleep supplements).
They don't cost much to try and find out.
Hopefully, you'll find the right 'aid' to find some relief.
These 'combos' helped me a lot .....
I am in UK so not many US Costco medical products are replicated here. There are however many sleep products offered but product testimonials vary from very good to Rubbish! I am going to try the melatonin from my doctor and see how that works before I venture into the great sleep medication jungle!!
I became addicted to extra sharp cheddar cheese with the saltiest crackers I could find when I was on chemo and trying to gain weight. (The salt was for sore throat which I blame on dexamethasone.) Didn't know about the amino acid. Sore throat is long gone. But still love them crackers and cheese after nighttime visits to bathroom. This is from someone who once said never eat crackers in bed. Ok. No jokes. And I don't like Black Russians. Thanks for the laugh Nal. And Happy Anniversary to you and the wife!
Hmm... Hey Monte, I thought I was the one with early morning cheesy habits (although, reflecting on some of my posts, it makes perfect sense)!
On any given night, I will awake to sharp Cheddar, fresh Mozzarella or even a bit of Gouda!
However, I have to wait a few hours, before I take my Zytiga! 😁
I will repeat myself by saying the following again. ( I just hate repeating myself).
Night time get cozy under the sheets/covers, close your eyes and build a log cabin with your imagination. Cut the lumber (trees) drag and shave them. Build foundation, pile the logs on and etc. I never get past the first floor cause I zonk out. I M A G I N A T I O N.... Re-start from the beginning if you have to wake up and Pee... If you want first build an OUTHOUSE for peeing.
Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.
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Melatonin works. I've been taking it for jetlag issues for years. It knocks me out, but I set an alarm every 3 hrs, due to a stoma) I always wake up. What I wasn't aware of was its potential anti-cancer properties. Does anyone know if there are any long-term issues with taking high doses of Melatonin?