Does anyone know a good diet for hypo people. What contains B-12 and what we shouldn't eat! My doc says diet doesn't affect it. I do not agr

[marymerry83]

ee. Think I need to find a new doc..This is endocrine as well.

[Moggie]

Stay well away from Soya - it is a definite no no for the thyroid.

Moggie x

[marymerry83 in reply to Moggie]

I heard that. My daughter kept telling me how good it is and now I make sure my food products do not contain it. Thanks

[beaton]

No soya No corn No wheat.No sugar. Plenty of fruit and veg. x

[beaton]

Eat good fats,butter olive oil avocados eggs and nuts. x

[marymerry83 in reply to beaton]

Thank you so much!

[nostoneunturned]

Natural B12 is found in animal products only, including milk, cheese, eggs. Some, suitable for vegetarians as produced using bacteria, in Marmite, similar products. Prime sources are chicken livers, lamb's liver, herring, sardines.

[marymerry83 in reply to nostoneunturned]

Thank you!

[helvella Administrator in reply to marymerry83]

Many years ago people with Pernicious Anaemia were fed liver. I take my hat off to them for the amount they managed to consume. As someone who is very partial to some liver, I couldn't even get my head around the amounts and ways it was consumed.

From a 1928 paper:

On October 11th a diet containing 7 oz. of calf's liver per diem was given, partly as raw sieved pulp and partly as cooked liver. The raw liver (4 oz. sieved weight) was given mixed with half a cupful of orange juice with water added, and taken at 11 a.m.; the cooked (3 oz. fried) liver was taken as the evening meal with a rasher of bacon. Fresh fruit and vegetables were recommended and fats other than the bacon and butter were forbidden.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

(I don't know why the orange juice was used and there is some suggestion that vitamin C and B12 should not be taken together - but it might have helped with absorbing the iron content.)

So if you need to have a large intake of B12, some sort of supplement makes life very much more appealing.

Rod

[marymerry83 in reply to helvella]

Yes liver has been around forever. I remember my grandparents and parents eating it to build up there blood. So they said. Thanks.

[coetzeegisela in reply to nostoneunturned]

Vegetarians don't eat liver (meat) or fish... Acomplete protein for non meat-eaters is the combination of pulse and grain. If not vegan, eggs, soya beans - and much else!

[hellybaybee]

I'm hypo and followed the "clean and lean" diet... its not specifically for hypo but I felt loads better on it, really healthy... might be worth a look

[hellybaybee in reply to hellybaybee]

Actually it contains alot of the stuff people r saying you should eat! I read that you should avoid peanuts, almonds and kale I think... I think theres a list on the nhs website

[marymerry83 in reply to hellybaybee]

Yes. clean and lean.. Thank you.

[janiebell]

Do you have hashimotos? If so, then following a no gluten diet will make a real difference. It took me a few years to get round to the food side of things but I'm so glad I did. When you feel ill or just off it's so easy to comfort eat but it's a vicious circle. Autoimmune illness can be radically improved with cutting certain food out. Many of us follow a paleo diet and there is an Autoimmune Protocol Paleo diet which is strict but really helps you see what s not agreeing with you. you add foods back in and see how you feel. I've given up milk in my tea too something I never in a million years thought I could do but no gluten and limited dairy have made such a vast improvement to my general well being that I won't go back. We are often told not to eat brassicas (ie cauliflower, cabbage etc) as it interferes with thyroid but the latest research suggests otherwise. It's all trial and error and we are ALL different so what works for me might not work for you!!

[marymerry83 in reply to janiebell]

A couple doc's claim I have hashimotos> Who knows. I have noticed eating certain foods makes a difference in the way I feel. Thank you.

[Penny_babe2001 in reply to janiebell]

I read an article the other day that said it was raw brassicas that were goitregenic and should be avoided. I hope that's true, cos I love cauli!!

[Mrsmoon]

I've tried many and the best is the 5:2 way of eating. Great results for once

[marymerry83 in reply to Mrsmoon]

Thanks.

[sandysnow]

All of the above and stay well away from soya. It is not produced organically anymore and is in practically everything that is not in a raw state. I was horrified when I started to look at what products it is in and it is hard to find one that isn't. Stay natural and lean. If you eat dairy, eat all the old fashioned stuff. I was given some sound advice by somebody a few years older than myself (hard to find some) - if you walked into a grocers shop with you granny when she was a young woman, everything inside would be fine and dandy. In other words, if you couldn't find it in your granny's store it is probably not a good idea. Even our fruit and veg doesn't run to the seasons anymore. Try and stay organic, I know it is expensive but try. Good luck.

[marymerry83 in reply to sandysnow]

Thanks. I noticed when I go gluten free I do feel better.

[rubysjules]

what exactly is wrong with soya please? I am vegetarian and eat tofu and some quorn. my diet was dreadful when i was completely gluten free.

[helvella Administrator in reply to rubysjules]

That is an awkward question because the answer seems to have several sides.

Soya can act as a goitrogen by reducing the thyroid's ability to make thyroid hormone.

Soya can be heavily contaminated with iodine so has the effect of increasing iodine intake - sometimes too far.

Soya can affect absorption of thyroid hormone from the gut.

But there are many other aspects of soya and, being quite ignorant of all the ways it interacts, it is difficult to provide specific information.

It is often suggested that fermented soya (as in, for example, traditional soy sauce) is much less of an issue but I am not even comfortable with that as a claim.

If you visit this site:

thyroidmanager.org

You can search on "soy" and "soya" and see a number of references to it.

Rod

[tegz in reply to rubysjules]

Quorn is not soy based but mycoprotein, from a mycelium [mushroom like] culture.

[GentleOrange]

I have read in a couple of places that hypothyroid symptoms can worsen on a gluten free diet? I will try and find the sources. (I read something literally yesterday but have sieve brain.)

Avoiding goitrogenic vegetables is recommended. The advice is that cooking them is thought to make them safe, but I used to eat brocolli with every dinner because I liked it so much, and I prefer to avoid it now. Sauerkraut (fermented cabbage) is supposed to be good for you though!

Another blog I read recommended eating one egg, one carrot and one brazil nut a day to fulfill certain nutritional needs (the blogger was a follower of that doctor who advocates large quantities of orange juice and Haagen Dazs vanilla icecream everyday (Ray Peat).

[marymerry83 in reply to GentleOrange]

I have been eating more eggs lately. It is as if I am craving them. How odd that is, but it sort of makes sense that the body craves what it needs. Most of the time anyway.

[beaton in reply to marymerry83]

Now that's funny Mary,I can't abide eggs,all wobbly etc. But just lately I have fancyed hard boiled egg salad???x

[marymerry83 in reply to beaton]

I guess we can have at it then. Apparently they are a superfood for what we have!!! I like mine scrambled dry and over easy...

[zeldasmith in reply to GentleOrange]

hello I dont know much about Throid problems ,but thought i would mention there have been studies on Brocolli ,its been found to help your

eyesight.They found that it will prevent macula degeneration ,or help slow down the disease if you have it..They studied a woman whos eyesight was deteriating fast ,she started eating more brocolli and it proved to stop he reyes getting worse,She also said her eyesight had improved.

I am not sure whether she ate it 2 or 3 times a week ,but you will find this info online. I hope you all feel better soon.

PS I have just remembered something else.When i started with food allergies i caME across a book called Not All in The Mind by Dr Richard McKarness,h tells you to do a 4 day diet ,which means you do not eat the same food twice in the four days..eg if you eat wheat monday you dont eat it again till friday,you coud have oats rye etc instead or eat potatoes or rice instead of bread.

I felt great doing this and i have worked out what siuts me by doing this

.

ALSO my doctor says its not wheat that causes the problems it the yeast which goes on fermenting after you have eaten ,I had soda bread i used

to get it from marks and spencers not sure if they still do it but that worked too

eye

[marymerry83 in reply to zeldasmith]

Thank you for this.

[Soldieress in reply to GentleOrange]

Hi GentleOrange, I'm interested in the article you found saying that hypo symptoms can worsen on a gluten free diet. I've been on a GFD (Gluten Free Diet) for 3 month now and the only difference I've noticed is that my stools have become like 2 to 3 cm size pellets instead of cow pats. It feels as if I'm going from something similar to diarrhea to constipation and neither are good. Please let me know if you find the article/link. I've posted a new question today so maybe you could put the link there if you find it. Thanks xx

[GentleOrange in reply to Soldieress]

I'm on the worlds slowest computer at work right now, but will definitely find it for you when I get home!

[Soldieress in reply to GentleOrange]

Thanks GentleOrange

[GentleOrange in reply to Soldieress]

Hi, just to let you know I have looked for those links but can't find them! I definitely read a few things (anecdotal) in one day, and I usually bookmark anything remotely interesting, which means I bookmark hundreds of things, but if it's a forum post under an unconnected title it won't jump out at me until I have time to go through them all and take notes. I even searched by keywords but didn't see anything. In fact truthfully the results that came up were of the opposite opinion, that going gluten-free had helped people lose hypothyroid symptoms. I'm sorry I haven't been helpful, but I wanted to give you an honest answer. I suppose there is so much going on in thyroid care and treatment, and so much of it done by trial and error by individuals, that there is contradictory information on just about everything. If I do find that info again I will post it.

[Soldieress in reply to GentleOrange]

Hi Gentle Orange, thanks for spending so much time looking. I know what you mean about reading something interesting somewhere, wanting to find it again, but can't. Thanks again for trying xx

[tegz]

Kefir has B12 in it! it's fermented and OK if you don't use soy milk

Soy protein isolates can be full of phyto-etsrogens so for men, not a great idea.

I've tried soy whey and noticed a downgrading effect, though the makers rep denied it.

Info abounds on it, though.

[marymerry83 in reply to tegz]

Thanks tegs

[fennel]

Fluoride is a problem and it is in conventional produce, not organic, in the form of pesticides, in toothpaste, and most of all in tea. Some people are unfortunate and have it in the tap water. It was used in a medicinal bath for hyperthyroid patients in the past, in a solution similar to the amount in tap water.

[marymerry83 in reply to fennel]

That is scary. I won't use toothpaste with fluoride in it..

[fennel]

thyroid.about.com/od/drsric...

[marymerry83 in reply to fennel]

Interesting. They make us sick then we need treatment...