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Reaching out re: tapering....again!

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I've exhausted all avenues to get 2 mg tabs of Prednisolone so I could cut them in half. Even the pharmacy that supplies our hospital has it on backorder and their chemist 'cannot' create a 1mg or 2mg. I'm at 8mg and initially the rheumy said decrease by 2mg which didn't work well for me before...and agreed to my decreasing by one milligram.

I have printed out a few of the tapering plans from this forum and wonder????

There is one plan in which I would take one strength for so many days and then the lesser dosage for one and so on. Considering I am going to be cutting by 2mg which plan would you suggest?

I know I'm asking a lot....but I'm asking for suggestions from you based on your experience.😌

I SO appreciate you.........

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jinasc profile image
jinasc

Personally, until this Covid thingy gets out of the way.............I would just not bother dropping..........but if you feel you must..........are the 2mg non enteric coated, if so buy a pill cutter, if not, they cannot be cut.

You could also try the plan you have found.

BTW, what is the hurry, you are putting yourself under stress looking for them......the means you are running the risk of a flare.........so settle down for a week and relax and probably things will become clearer to you.

πŸ›€ πŸ› πŸ’€

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to jinasc

Grammy can’t get 2mg, she can only get 4mg - so she was initially trying to cut into 4 - so 1mg reduction could be achieved.

But as you say, probably best to forget tapering fora while.

jinasc profile image
jinasc in reply to DorsetLady

Thank goodness you are around, my addled brain is not working that well today. xx

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to jinasc

Probably still laughing at the email you sent me!

jinasc profile image
jinasc in reply to DorsetLady

Another one on its way...............then off for a cuppa and my book. I could not beleive what I had thought in the past - here is the proof. It is blowing my mind.

'Sex Matters' by Dr Alison McGregor.

No it is not about 'sex' in the normal sense you would use it.

Who cares about the sex of the sim bodies (they are all male and white) in a medical school?

The answer is, we all should care. Sim labs use male bodies only.

This system ultimately creates doctors who ascribe to the false belief that, aside from sex organs, men and women are bio-logically identical.

And this belief is hurting women the world over.

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SheffieldJane in reply to jinasc

I read an article about this. It is chilling!

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PMRproAmbassador in reply to jinasc

Not just hurting - killing ... PPE is not designed for women's sizes and shapes whatever the context. Stab vests and medical gowns may be fine if you are a 6ft bloke, not so much if you are 5ft in your socks and curvy.

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Grammy80 in reply to jinasc

That is such caring advice! I want to try again....s-l-o-w-l-y because I have drippy crusty nose bleeds and have so many blood vessels rupturing under my skin I look like a globe of our planet.

I will wait to start until next Monday .....I'll fill in my calendar sheets with the dosages DorsetLady gave me in that ultra-slow taper and do some cutting and create my 2 mg...

I'll take it slow~xo

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SheffieldJane in reply to Grammy80

I recognise this and a metallic taste at the back of the throat with stinging.

Let’s sit quietly and allow this thing to pass. 🌸

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer

As discussed previously (I think) cut your 4mg in half and use my ultra long taper -

ULTRA SLOW TAPER (14 weeks) - if you’re really struggling, or you have tablets that cannot be cut.

Same as 7 week taper, but repeat each week.

SLIGHTLY LONGER TAPER (7 weeks)

Week 1 -

Sun - new dose

Mon-Sat old dose

Week 2 -

Sun, Thurs new dose -

Mon, Tues, Wed, Fri, Sat old dose

Week 3-

Sun, Tues, Thurs new dose -

Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat old dose

Week 4 -

Sun, Tues, Wed, Thurs new dose -

Mon, Fri, Sat old dose

Week 5 -

Sun, Tues, Wed, Thurs, Fri new dose

Mon, Sat old dose

Week 6 -

Sun -Fri inclusive new dose

Week 7 -

Every day new dose

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Grammy80 in reply to DorsetLady

I was hoping I'd hear from you....I have the various plans printed out...but this one will go on the fridge. Also, I will go ahead and fill out the dosage amounts on my blank calendar pages otherwise I would never keep track. Until GCA I was so organized and had my 'medication system' down pat...now, not so much because the 'rules' keep changing.

Your advice and suggestions are invaluable and I think my rheumy will be suggesting this for other patients. Thank you so much...being the tortoise is just fine with me. xoπŸ’–

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DorsetLadyPMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to Grammy80

Well if you give me your email address in private message not open forum I can send either an excel spreadsheet (which wI’ll update the dates for you) and/or PDF document.

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PMRproAmbassador

The same applies to my DSNS slow taper as DL says - start with a very long gap between one day of the new lower dose, say 1 day new dose, 10 days (or more) old dose, 1 day new dose, and then reduce the number of days between one at a time if it feels right, If it doesn't feel right, do another stretch of the same gap.

It was partly developed because people with enteric coated pred can't cut the tablets and the smallest you could get was 2.5mg . It worked for them.

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Grammy80 in reply to PMRpro

I sure count on you!! Sounds like a plan for sure. Thank you, I'll give it a go! xo πŸ’–

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Blackcatlover in reply to Grammy80

Someone on this site suggested a journal and it really helps keep track of things. I keep a separate pill box just for my pred. I write which week I’m starting a new taper and fill my box each Sunday morning. The journal helps me keep track of symptoms too. Good luck. Never a dull moment!❀️

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Blackcatlover in reply to PMRpro

PMRpro I am so thankful to you for this taper. My rheumatologist was not impressed but told me to go ahead and try it. He believes it’s a race to get to zero. On the other hand my GP loved it and made a copy for patients who were struggling with tapering. ❀️

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PMRproAmbassador in reply to Blackcatlover

I really don't understand this desperation to race to zero - it is a chronic illness, you are looking for a longer term dose. Surely an approach that works is the important factor?

Blackcatlover profile image
Blackcatlover in reply to PMRpro

I truly believe I’m one of those people who will need to be on a low dose for the rest of my life and that’s okay!

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Grammy80 in reply to Blackcatlover

Me too and it is also fine with me. I have a friend who just cannot go without that last 1mg of Prednisone...and she has been on it 12 years by now. xo

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Grammy80 in reply to Blackcatlover

That is awesome...with the help of these gals..and patients like you and me in the states...it will get passed around and help many others. All things considered...I don't understand the hurry to get to zero...I get the side effects...but I also get what the flares do.

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Jackoh in reply to PMRpro

You know I never thought of increasing the days between tapering. I thought about repeating the taper as I go along but I’d got fixed into 6 days old dose etc - 6 days being the slowest taper for me. Funny how you sometimes can’t see the wood for the trees and unable to think outside the box!!

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Grammy80

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Luciejc

Marilyn, I too am on 8 and my Dr. wants me to drop by 1 mg. I'm not going to.. Will do slow taper with, 8 and 7.5 beginning Monday. My suggestion would be slow taper schedule using 8 and and 7 if you can. Will pm you later tonight.πŸ’–Jean

Seraphina56 profile image
Seraphina56

I'm in the UK and I've noticed I'm only getting 1mg tabs in my repeat prescription and no 5's. So I've assumed they've run out. Snowed under with 1's. But not EC coated. Things are getting crazy. I wish I could help you out.

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Grammy80 in reply to Seraphina56

I think they are made in China and the US is at the bottom of their distribution list..rightfully so!!

Dambusters profile image
Dambusters

I don't understand why you cannot have 1mg. I have had them for a while now but I use Pharmacy2U and have mine delivered.

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Purple-Owl in reply to Dambusters

I too am puzzled that you can't get 1mg tablets.

in reply to Dambusters

Had same thought. I’m in USA and have been getting 1mg from Walmart. Also 5mg and 2.5 mg as needed. Never a problem. Hoping for a solution for Grammy 80. πŸ€—

PMRpro profile image
PMRproAmbassador in reply to

Prednisone or methyl prednisolone/Medrol?

in reply to PMRpro

Prednisone. Should have included that. Is that the difficulty for her? Thought prednisolone was typo. If not, sorry.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply to

She is on methyl prednisolone/Medrol - which comes as standard in 4mg, 8mg and 16mg tablets, equivalent to 5,10 and 20mg pred. It is theoretically possible to get 2mg but there seems to be a problem. Medrol is mostly used in what are called Medrol packs for acute conditions where there is not so much of a problem tapering.

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Grammy80 in reply to PMRpro

You never cease to amaze me~! πŸ˜‰

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Dambusters in reply to

Our son lives in USA and seems able to buy all sorts in stores.

Luckily I don't have to pay - not even for postage :)

in reply to Dambusters

Free meds is nice. I misunderstood Grammy80’s type of meds. πŸ™

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Grammy80 in reply to Dambusters

In the states? Methylprednisolone?

Parami profile image
Parami

I've been told to alternate 5mg/2.5mg for 6 weeks, then a further 6 weeks doing 5mg /2.5mg /2.5mg, following a recent flair after spending a month at 2.5mg. This was suggested to me by rheumy nurse after I asked about getting 1mg tablets to help tapering. So far, so good, but I'm keeping an eye on other tapering schedules, just in case.

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Rugger

I'm puzzled too, as prednisolone comes in 1mg tablets - plain or gastro-resistant. (Edited: Sorry, I've realised you are in USA - you confused me by writing 'Prednisolone'!)

The DSNS taper plan is great.

The others have said it all.

Noosat profile image
Noosat

I still have some 20mg which I can cut into 4, I have 2.5mg and 1mg. Using a pill cutter, I manage to get what I want in mgs. I am now down to 3mg. and at times 2.5mg. If you don't have pill cutter I would suggest you get one. For me it has been, and is, a great help

Jackoh profile image
Jackoh

I have two pill cutters both from the firm starting with A! The round one never seemed to cut cleanly but the newer oblong shaped cutter is excellent and cuts very small tablets very well. My Amitriptyline is small and I cut those in half.

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