Lupron Issues

[Hardhead003]

Is anyone else having issues with Lupron?

[ppulatie]

😱 Who does not?

[tsim]

Yes, everybody!

[Hardhead003 in reply to tsim]

it appears to be very dangerous --My friend with prostate cancer is having all kinds of issues with this drug--

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Hardhead003]

"Appears very dangerous". Lupron is no fun but has saved many a life. You speak of it as if it is some new untested scam. What do you suggest for your friend? Death by prostate cancer?Oh I know. You suggest that PC Hope thing you have been promoting.

[Hardhead003 in reply to Hardhead003]

I am going to start my friend on estrogen patches as soon as 2 months pass and get that crap out of his system-- I filed suit on that company after my brother died and collected --as this drug lupron was brought before the US congress years ago and had a major class action suit against them --I am a retired Atty/Federal Judge-----Pull up US Congress and Lupron.. you will see what I am talking about--- Glad to hear it worked for you--I proved that hormone blockers only mask the cancer--it just stops the production of testosterone until the cancer becomes androgen Independent --If a person did nothing they would have the same results as I proved in court!!

[Hardhead003 in reply to Hardhead003]

I know all about these kind of drugs-

petition2congress.com/ctas/...

[tsim in reply to Hardhead003]

The study you cite is concerning giving it to women, huge difference.

[Hardhead003 in reply to tsim]

It has destroyed so many lives-- the estrogen patches look to be a much better option for sure!

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Hardhead003]

You are wrong.Lupron extends life!

Becoming androgen independent is well known and understood (not some nefarious secret you make it out to be) and that is why there are drugs and treatments to address androgen independence when it occurs.

I'm glad you are not my doctor. God have mercy on your friend. Appears he is following you down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories without benefit of thorough knowledge of the science.

Or as I said in a previous reply your's is just a gambit to promote PC Hope nutrition web site. That website looks nothing like what a man with the education that comes with a law degree would follow. (money back guarantee? etc.). Looks like a Ronco kitchen gadget commercial.

[Hardhead003 in reply to CAMPSOUPS]

I respect your decision sir "it is your life" below is fact and again I proved that hormone blockers does nothing for androgen independent cancer --it will actually soften the bones and make the cancer spread quicker---Good Luck Sir--Hope you live to be age 100.. I truly mean this!!

Non-Metastatic Castration-Resistant Prostate Cancer (nmCRPC)

This type of prostate cancer is found even after the hormone (testosterone) is blocked in patients who have had biochemical failure. This is found by a rise in the PSA level, while the testosterone level stays low. Imaging tests do not show signs the cancer has spread.

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Hardhead003]

One more time.Androgen Independent PC has been well known for a few decades. It did not become known because you proved it. Do you think I and others have been living with our head in the sand?

We have many drugs and treatments for androgen independent cancer because of the many, many years this phenomenon has been known and studied.

I have no idea why you think only you know about it and "proved it" as you say.

[Hardhead003 in reply to CAMPSOUPS]

You missed my point--I am saying that 12 Jurors agreed with me that hormone blockers are useless against androgen independent prostate cancer--as this is what my brother had until he died... I think we have kicked this dog and pony

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Hardhead003]

Yep. I'm done. In my day the trade shows where we set up and ran our printing presses was a dog and pony show.Your dog and pony show is the PC Hope promotion.

[Hardhead003 in reply to CAMPSOUPS]

I have told you sir that I know nothing about PC Hope and I found out that is has not been sold in many years from anyone --As I said I will have my friend start estrogen patches in a couple of months--have spoken with a few man that are using the patches and they say all they have is a little breast tenderness and no other side effects..

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Hardhead003]

There is a lot of good information here on Health Unlocked regarding Estrogen patches. Some men have had success with them.Study them in depth so that they are used correctly and that your friends PC is monitored closely.

By the way it does not sound like your friend has stage 4 PC.

This area of health unlocked is for those of us with stage 4.

[Hidden in reply to Hardhead003]

How many doses of Lupron have been given since it’s inception? It must be profitable ?

[Hardhead003 in reply to CAMPSOUPS]

I think you missed my point--12 jurors agreed with me, that a hormone blocker is useless and more dangerous for someone when the cancer no longer feeds of of testosterone..

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Hardhead003]

You are totally ignoring .....on purpose?....the fact that science, the medical field, and almost everyone here knows that and knows that there are drugs/treatments to address it.You speak as if Lupron is the only therapy available. Oh that's right you need to steer me/us to PC Hope.

[Hardhead003 in reply to CAMPSOUPS]

Yes there is Zoladex and many others--all have the same side effects!

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Hardhead003]

You know darn well there are other treatments other than those in the same hormone agonist classification as Lupron.I 'm done. You are just pretending to be uninformed.

[Hardhead003 in reply to CAMPSOUPS]

no problem--I see you have a very closed mind!!

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Hardhead003]

I see. I guess that gutter talk/false accusations work better for you than real discussions.

My family and friends will get a kick out of finding that a FEDERAL JUDGE has found me closed minded.

[Hardhead003 in reply to CAMPSOUPS]

I hope they do and again wish you well sir!

[tsim in reply to Hardhead003]

Please list the issues and we can tell you if they are normal or not and give suggestions on how to combat many of them. The luteinizing hormone regulating hormone agonists such as Lupron are not inherently dangerous but they do have side effects.

[Hardhead003 in reply to tsim]

massive hot flashes head aches -- mainly --killed is desire to eat for the most part--

[Hardhead003 in reply to tsim]

Do you know anything about an herb called PC Hope? It looks promising,

[Shooter1]

No more lupron problems for me....orchiectomy.

[Hardhead003 in reply to Shooter1]

I have read that removing your testicles is useless as a man will start producing testosterone in the adrenal glands in time--Pray the article is wrong-- (I like the estrogen patch)--going to start my friend on the patches as soon as the Lupron gets out of his system--Good Luck!!

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Hardhead003]

Adrenal glands? That's why we have 2nd line ADT.

[Cooolone]

Someone argues in circles like someone else did recently on here... Wonder if the IP's are the same lol... Especially since the Oct 7 join date? Just interesting. Anyways...

A jury agreeing with an argument is not a testament to "FACT"... Let alone punitive awards for pain, suffering, etc. Winning a jury trial is not the same as a random control trial that exhibits bodily function as a result to stimulus and is tracked, recorded and published to peer review and studied across cultures and people's and usually then display the same results previously recorded.

You cannot "Jury" away the numerous studies as to the benefit most patients receive by putting the PCa to sleep or forestalling the progression. For everyone it doesn't work for, there are others who've used it for years and years, some even a decade or two. True success stories.

Bottom line is your story is yours, but it doesn't mean it's others as well. The heterogeneous nature of the disease prescribes the fact that no two are the same maybe slightly similar, but not ever, the same...

The fact the PCa becomes castrate resistant is proof of what? An eventuality that would occur regardless of intervention? Can you say CRPC won't happen in the absence of low T environment? Wow wants to play? Some do, and that's ok too. It's all about choice. But trying to convince others that your choice is and should be their choice is irresponsible.

OP has a "friend" who (whatever)

OP is going to start his friend "ON' (whatever)...

OP is a doctor? An Oncologist?

Is interesting how someone will attest to what someone should be doing but it's not something that would effect themselves. I have trouble finding any legitimate validation to this thread, how the OP just drops a pebble in the water and then feeds off the ripples.

Have a nice day!

[Hardhead003 in reply to Cooolone]

Lady I have massive IP address,s as I travel the world (when I can) due to Covid--took your thoughts into consideration for sure--I think you missed my point --which is a man will refract to prostate cancer (androgen dependent) just a quick (with or without hormone blockers) as you said it depends on the person.. thank you for your comments--take a look at this link as to what kind of damage hormone blockers can do -certainly for women and children -- petition2congress.com/ctas/... of course the company paid off many congressmen to keep it on the market-- again thank you for your feedback.

[Hardhead003 in reply to Hardhead003]

I think this approach may be helpful for some men--

Surprise: High-Dose Testosterone Therapy Helps Some Men with Advanced Prostate Cancer

Release Date: January 7, 2015

DenMeade

Samuel Denmeade, M.D.

In a surprising paradox, the male hormone testosterone, generally thought to be a feeder of prostate cancer, has been found to suppress some advanced prostate cancers and also may reverse resistance to testosterone-blocking drugs used to treat prostate cancer.

[Cooolone in reply to Hardhead003]

What State was your law degree in? Where did you study? Where and when did you serve as a Federal Judge?

I'm interested because your apparent English is broken! And your explanation of "Massive IP's" says it all.

Hahaha, I'm done playing. Have a great day!

Don't bother to reply...

[Hardhead003 in reply to Cooolone]

Please keep and open mind--when you travel to other countries you will always have a different IP address --I am not trying to hurt anyone --My brother died of advanced prostate cancer--I have a passion to help others (if they will let me)..

[Hardhead003 in reply to Hardhead003]

by the way--I am age 81 and not as sharp as I once was!!

[CAMPSOUPS in reply to Cooolone]

You're wiser than I. I wasted half a day going in circles as you noted with this imposter I mean poster ha.

[Hardhead003 in reply to CAMPSOUPS]

you people are medical minded (I do not think I could help any of you)--good by groupJudge James

[Hardhead003]

I see so many of you headed down the wrong trail with your prostate cancer--I have a fund set up to help people in need with different health issues --having said this, I will be happy to pay for a 30 day supply of the products out of Asia to see If this will help you--these people advise med that you can also continue with the treatment you are currently taking--all I need is your mailing address-- again trying to help!

[Hidden]

Only those that use it . I disliked it so much that I chopped the boys after 18 months in order to drop it . , However It can be effective in the fight to push pc down . 😳