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The Environmental Protection Agency on Monday banned two solvents - trichloroethylene (TCE) and perchloroethylene

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"TCE causes selective loss of dopamine-producing nerve cells, a hallmark of Parkinson's disease in humans. Individuals who worked directly with TCE have an elevated risk of developing Parkinson's"

I was a little surprised that the article about the ban did not mention Parkinson's as having a likely connection to trichloroethylene exposure.

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parkylot

I for one can support this theory!

I spent several years in the “garment center” in NYC as a fabric cutter. If the fabric was soiled we would clean the spot with dry cleaning solvent TCE based. I’m sure I’d recognize the smell even now with a PD nose. I’m sure there’s a high percent of us with PD that worked as dry cleaners.

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Boscoejean in reply toparkylot

The primary reason behind the ban seems to be related to the link between the chemicals and cancer.

It took quite a while for this to happen in spite of a lot of evidence including Camp LeJeune and it is a good thing it was done now because there may not be a lot of progress in regulating toxic chemicals in the near future. I am sorry you had this exposure.

"The connection between TCE and Parkinson’s was first hinted at in case studies more than 50 years ago. "

urmc.rochester.edu/news/sto....

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Turnipbarrow in reply toBoscoejean

Why do you think there won’t be progress in regulating toxic chemicals in the near future? Not to bring politics into this convo- just want to say I’m more hopeful then ever before that finally toxic chemicals will be banned.

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MarionP in reply toTurnipbarrow

Well there's banned, and then there's banned (but unenforced).

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Zscaleplanet

I restored a few cars in my lifetime and used copius amounts of TCE to clean parts. Got it on the skin and hands more times than I can count. Was my own worst enemy though - working too fast and too young to think anything would happen. Pretty much can pin my PD on TCE's primarily, but also fertilizers and bug spray -- permethrin.

I work in the heavy equipment industry now and warn the young mechanics at our shop to "glove-up" or you'll end up like me. They just give me that same Alfred E. Nuemann - MAD MAGAZINE - "What, me worry?" look.

Funny though how others handle the same chemicals alnd maybe even worse, but never get PD.

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Boscoejean in reply toZscaleplanet

It is unfortunate that the young mechanics won't listen and I am thinking that even if you printed up an article about the risks they might still think this could never happen to them.

"While exposure to TCE (trichloroethylene) is considered a significant risk factor for developing Parkinson's disease and certain cancers, not everyone exposed to the chemical will develop these conditions due to a combination of factors including individual genetic susceptibility, exposure level, duration of exposure, and potential protective mechanisms in the body, which can vary greatly between people; essentially, some individuals may have a higher inherent ability to detoxify the chemical than others. "

The troubling aspect of all this is you really have no idea how or where you may be exposed to this when it comes to the groundwater and vapor plumes.

"A "TCE plume" in groundwater and gas refers to a contaminated area where trichloroethylene (TCE), a volatile organic compound, has spread through the soil and groundwater, creating a distinct zone of elevated concentration due to its release from a source like a leaking storage tank or industrial site; essentially, a "plume" of contaminated water and vapor moving through the subsurface, with the highest TCE levels near the source and gradually decreasing as it migrates further away.

Key points about TCE plumes:

Formation:

When TCE is released into the environment, it can dissolve into groundwater and migrate with the water flow, creating a plume that can extend horizontally and vertically depending on the geological conditions.

Vapor phase:

Due to its volatility, TCE can also form a vapor plume in the soil above the groundwater plume, which can be detected through soil gas sampling.

Detection and monitoring:

To identify and monitor TCE plumes, environmental professionals collect groundwater samples from monitoring wells strategically placed across the suspected contamination area.

Environmental concerns:

TCE is considered a hazardous contaminant due to its potential health risks, which is why identifying and managing TCE plumes is crucial for site remediation and protection of drinking water sources. "

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barrie1757

Now if they’d just ban Paraquat!

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MarionP in reply tobarrie1757

Was just about to say that. And no that's not much of a theory anymore, there is a fairly good amount of data indicating both paraquat and TCE are responsible for inducing Parkinson's.

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Boscoejean in reply toMarionP

This is true and I think there is some likelihood that the staff at EPA will be reduced and this is why I am concerned that there will not be more bans of toxic chemicals.

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gomelgo

i think if RFK gets in that won't happen. There I said it.

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Boscoejean in reply togomelgo

The EPA is a separate entity

The US Health and Human Services office consists of several agencies including the FDA, CDC, and Medicare and Medicaid Services

U.S. Public Health Service

Within HHS is a collection of agencies and offices that fall under the Public Health Service. The PHS also is home to the Public Health Service Commissioned Corps (PHSCC).[citation needed]

Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health (OASH) and the U.S. Surgeon General

Office of Global Affairs

The subordinate operating agencies under the Public Health Service:

National Institutes of Health (NIH)

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

Indian Health Service (IHS)

Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR)

Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)

Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ)

Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA)

Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response (ASPR)

Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health (ARPA-H)

Human Services agencies

This list includes the subordinate agencies that do not fall under the Public Health Service, but are under HHS:

Administration for Children and Families (ACF)

Administration for Community Living (ACL)

Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) – formerly the Health Care Financing Administration.

Office of Inspector General

The Office of Inspector General, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (OIG) investigates criminal activity for HHS.

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gomelgo

i think his presence could shift culture overall not just the agency he will be working with.

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Ghmac

You might be interested in the new farm bill:

Congress could take away protections from dangerous pesticides. More than 40 states have taken measures to limit dangerous pesticides. The House Farm Bill could eliminate all those rules in one fell swoop. A provision in the 2024 Farm Bill would override every state’s pesticide rules and replace them with far weaker federal rules. That means an end to some hugely significant protections, like bans on chlorpyrifos, a pesticide linked to damage in kids’ brains, or restrictions on neonics, the chemical responsible for devastating America’s bee populations. The Farm Bill would undo vital pesticide rules in almost every state in the country. For example, over 40 states have rules against spraying pesticides near schools or playgrounds, because of the danger pesticides can pose to children. Who wants clouds of carcinogenic pesticide drifting near schoolyards? These protections, however, would evaporate if this version of the Farm Bill were passed. 

pirg.org/articles/congress-...

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Boscoejean in reply toGhmac

more on bees and is this bill expected to pass this month? Will there also be a senate bill?

"Pesticides that can kill bees include neonicotinoids and other insecticides:

Neonicotinoids: A class of pesticides that are highly toxic to bees and other pollinators. They are designed to attack the central nervous system of insects, but they can't distinguish between pests and pollinators. Neonicotinoids are absorbed by plants and can be present in pollen and nectar. Some examples of neonicotinoids include acetamiprid, clothianidin, dinotefuran, imidacloprid, and thiamethoxam.

Organophosphates: A class of insecticides that are highly toxic to bees.

Other insecticides: Some other insecticides that are toxic to bees include:

Methamidophos

Methidathion

Methyl parathion

Mevinphos "

washingtonstatestandard.com...

get out your magnifying glass and I am glad there are organizations who read all these details and give us a synopsis - All the troubling details

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Ghmac in reply toBoscoejean

Monarch butterflies were put on the endangered specifies list in 2022. The bumble bee has been on since 2017. Honey bees are close. I don't hold out much hope for any new environmental regulations with concern for human health. New regulations will be to protect the corporations. I am investigating getting a bee farmer to place bees on our property. That is the best I can do.

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Boscoejean in reply toGhmac

I hope your bees can survive. I have seen listings where beekeepers will place the hives on your property then they will harvest the honey and I presume they would give you some. I like that idea.

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Ghmac in reply toBoscoejean

Yes, that is the custom in our neighborhood. But the bee keepers are also very careful where they place their boxes. Although not as well liked, wasps are also pollinators.

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