Kidney stones and Parkinson's

[DeanGreen]

If you have been clinically diagnosed with PD and also have had a Kidney stone, please respond. I am interested in seeing how urates or oxalates (components of kidney stones) affect Parkinson's Disease. Thanks.

[Rather]

I also have a kidney stone.

[Chockly]

Hi DeanGreen. I have also had Calcium Oxylate Kidney Stones since the age of 12. No attacks in the last 20 years though. How is this connected to PD? I am really interested.

[DeanGreen in reply to Chockly]

Hi Chockly, I have read that uric acid is neuroprotective and excess oxalates may cause early cell death by forming calcium oxalates crystals in brain cells. Therefore I was wondering if these "stone formers" have any affect on PD. Is there a data base where I could find this info?

[park_bear in reply to DeanGreen]

Uric acid is NOT neuroprotective. Mistaking association for causation is a major source of medical misunderstanding, even by MDs who should know better. See here for details:

healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

[DeanGreen in reply to park_bear]

Hi Park, Thanks for clarifying. I did not say that urates or oxalates causes PD. I just wanted to know if oxalate and urate stones have an effect on PD severity. I am not suggesting that increasing urate levels in the body affects PD prognosis. I am interested in the mechanisms that drives stone formation and if there is any relationship to PD.

[park_bear in reply to DeanGreen]

My post at the link also addresses that issue. Elevated urate does cause kidney stones.

[LorenzaS]

I have kidney stones as well

[michelagvolpe]

I had kidney stones .... drink a lot of water with low dose of Calcium (if your stones are made by Ca). In summer it is more easy to have kidney stones because of the high temperatures that make you sweat more and you might pee not enough .

[Carpediadem]

Yes I have PD and Homocysteinuri and have problem since-5 years

[Eryl]

Uric acid which can cause kidney stones is one of the results of metabolising fructose which is 50% of table sugar and around 55% of natural fruit sugars. A ketogenic diet has been found to help many Parkinson's sufferers so I suspect that sugar consumption may be a contributory factor in PD.

[octonaut in reply to Eryl]

To Eryl — Your comment on sugar consumption caught my eye. Just yesterday, I followed a posting on Health Unlocked that led me to a youube video of Martha Carlin. Martha is a “citizen scientist” who used her CPA systems skills to research the gut / brain / PD connection — resulting in “Sugar Shift” probiotic — available from BiotiQuest. Sugar shift — as I understand it — transforms glucose (bad) to mannitol (good) in the gut. Martha’s spouse (with PD) was the guinea pig for the product. If sugar consumption is a contributory factor in PD, as you mention, “Sugar Shift” could be one way to address this. (After listening to Martha’s account, I ordered Sugar Shift from BiotiQuest immediately, ) From what I’ve been reading lately, sugar is the enemy not only for PD, but also cancer and who knows how many other health challenges. Thank you for the insight on this topic, Eryl.

[Eryl in reply to octonaut]

Why waste money on a sugar alcohol when you can avoid sugar by not eating carbs? Carbs supply no essential nutrition so their only 'benefit' is that they trigger a release of dopamine like a drug.

[Gymsack in reply to Eryl]

" Carbohydrates, or carbs, are sugar molecules. Along with proteins and fats, carbohydrates are one of three main nutrients found in foods and drinks. Your body breaks down carbohydrates into glucose. Glucose, or blood sugar, is the main source of energy for your body's cells, tissues, and organs. "

So ok we dont eat carbs but we have to minimize the amount of protein interfering with the uptake of Levadopa so what do we eat, Eryl ? Just live on fat?

You do understand that everything we eat, everything, is converted into sugar which is converted into energy right.

[Eryl in reply to Gymsack]

Not everyone has to minimise the amount of protein. Fats are converted into ketones, not sugar. apdaparkinson.org/article/l...

[Eryl in reply to Gymsack]

Have a look at the video I've just posted regarding Parkinson's, Fasting and Ketogenic Diets.

[Eryl in reply to octonaut]

I just came across this video on Youtube: youtu.be/AaiyJjKWt-0?si=Cnn...(Not working as expected?)

[beerwhisperer]

calcium oxalate stones 30 years +/-. PD diagnosed 2 years ago