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13/11/13. I am now 76 had tremor intensive PD since 2001. Started on Sinemet Feb 2012, 3x100, 5 hr apart, increased to 150 after 9 mo. Started wearing off march 2013 after 1.5 hours. Neuro seems stumped so I have started experimenting. For some reason my mornings are still OK - better than off-time. So now I start at noon, 1x100 Sinemet then 1x100 every hour until 8 pm, no off-time, can go 1 hr 15 min but no more. It concerns me that this may be too much for me (from 450 to 900 mg). I have tried 200 mg – no difference. It seems that it’s all about experimenting till you find the right dose, it seems no doc can predict that, but may be able to keep you out of trouble. I prefer to stay with the Sinemet for as long as possible without adding additional meds to cope with side effects. Does anyone out there have a better solution to try. It is a bit frustrating trying to remember to take an hourly dose. Can this schedule do harm? Any helpful suggestions are appreciated.

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Pete-1 profile image
Pete-1

Too much levodopa (active reagent in Sinemet) can lead to dyskinesia (iinvoluntary movements) and halucinations. I don't think what you were taking was excessive until you got onto 1 dose every hour. Of course all this needs checking by your neurologist or whoever.

To prolong the Sinemet dose could also take Entacopone which is included with Sinemet to make Stalevo. Entacopone is an inhibitor of the chemical that metabolises dopamine once it has been used. So, preventing the dopamine from being destroyed allows it to be available for re-uptake and re-use. I once read that a dose of Levodopa (dopamine) is extended by 1.4 hours by taking Entacopone, but there is no telling without trying.

Look up Stalevo and mention it to your neurologist.

My dose of levodopa sometimes seems to wear off very quickly. Keeping busy during on-time seems to help prolong the on-time a little. Also it takes an hour for a new dose to take effect.

We're all a bit different so probably need to keep experimenting. Good luck.

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par004 in reply toPete-1

I'm taking sinemet with entacopone and doing relatively well. But entacopone is very spendy, as is comtan , which is the brand name.

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DANIEL

My husband was taking 1 1/2 every 2 hrs. I now believe he was taking much more. It has had PD for about 10years now. This past year he began to hallucinate very badly. Finally in August, ( August 12 to be exact, my birthday) he had to go to the hospital. Stayed for 4 weeks. The Doctor has taken him off car/levo 20/100. His favorite and just let him take the 50/200 time release four times a day. Needless to say Daniel hates it and constantly begs for the other. But the family went through too much, so did the police and fire dept, he called them about twice a week for a few weeks. Be very careful. Daniel doctor in Birmingham let him decide what to take and when. That turned out not to be the wisest choice.

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hunter32 in reply toDANIEL

try to flnd some info on a new medication called SAINAMIDE I read a bit on it and it looks promasing.let me no wath you find .ive ad pd sinsse 2000 that is a long time and im still taking levaopa in the morning i take 2 reguler levadopa and 1 CR slow release thene the reste of the day i take 2 slow release every 2 hours. it hard to control whene you take too mush you feel like spending time with other wamman and love partys and like to cambell. you ting your not doing any ting wrong but whene i go to bed i stop all medication i thene ting of the tings i did during the day .an feel bad about what you did im even scaird of cheeting on my wife . i also like to camble . you have to fight with that all the time.

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parkinsonspistol

If your neurologist is stumped, I'll bet that he is not a Parkinson specialist. Your situation is not uncommon. I think it's more uncommon to 11 years without any levodpa carbidopa. I am up to the same dosage but 15 tablet a day plus ER at night. Your response is normal.

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harding55

I take carbidopa/levodopa 25/100 every 4 hours (6 per day) My first dose of the morning seems to wear off within 2-1/2 to 3 hours sometime sooner. I always eat cereal with 2% milk in the morning and they say if you do dairy it sometimes affects your meds if you do it too soon. I would make your Doctor aware that you are taking them so often you could end up with major side affects. Best of luck.

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PatV

I tried Stalevo to deal with rapid (as in INSTANT) wearing off and PAIN. It wore off just as rapidly and also gave me no bladder control at the same time as staining all body fluids :P Now neuro has me on 25/100 sinimet 5 times a day and half a sinimet CR (time released) 3 times (same times as first 3) plus 1 1/2 sinimet CR at bedtime. This has really worked depending on what I'm eating and what activity I'm doing. e.g., walking through an icy wind to catch a bus versus sitting at computer for hours :D ) But it did give me BAD dyskinesia so he cut me back removing 2 of the half sinemet CR . Not good results, but I'm going through some stressful stuff. So I'm asking to be put back the 2. If this doesn't make sense I'll post my schedule.

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aliciamq in reply toPatV

Ask about symetrel(amantadine) My understaning is it curbs the side effects of C/L. My husband takes c\L 2@4x's a day and amantadine 2x's a day - He is not stiff nor does he have noticible tremors with his Park Plus (PSP) Luck

or meds - who knows?

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mistydog1

I take the same dose as harding55 . However I found that if I took the entire pill within an hour's time I would have sever dyskinesia. When I mentioned it to my neurologist he suggested I cut the pill in half and take half of pill every 3-4hrs up to reaching what equals 6 complete pill a day. I also take 1 azilect every morning . I now have no more dyskinesia and my on time seems to last much longer.

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JohnPepper

Hi Shakyj

I am not a doctor and can only give you my observations of other people's experience with sinemet. Let me start by saying that sinemet does not do anything to slow down the progression of Pd. Neither do any of the other levodopa medications or antagonists. LIke all medication, the longer you take it, the more you have to increase the dosage, in norder to get the same benefit from it. That is, if you derived any benefit from it at all. Many patients take medication, just because their doctor told them to. They don't always get any positive benefits from it, but often get some nasty side effects, for which they are often prescribed other medication. I work on the principle that if I don't get any noticeable benefits from medication then I stop taking it. Not taking it does not cause the Pd to speed up. I took eldepryl for ten years, after which time I gave it up and have not taken any Pd medication since then. I have learned to control my movements by using my conscious brain, as against relying on my subconscious brain, to control my walking and bringing food to my mouth. Exercise does more to slow down the Pd than any medication! Look at my website: reverseparkinsons.net.

John

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Rosabellazita in reply toJohnPepper

Id like ur opinion. It took me a long time to agree to start sinemet which was 1/2 25/100 three x a day. In three weeks neuro had me increase to one 3x a day. I see no difference in my symptom which is right hand tremor. I have an appt. Sept 14 with neuro. Since i see no difference in my tremor i know she is going to increase it. Well i dont want to take more. And i want off of it. Your opinion please.

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JohnPepper in reply toRosabellazita

Please remember that I am not a doctor, I am a Pd patient! Does your hand shake when you are not using it? That is called a resting tremor. Or does it only shake when you try to fasten a button or any other fine motor activity? That is called an essential tremor. Some people have both!

My experience with other people with the resting tremor has been that if 3 pills a day do not work, then 6 will not work either. You can try it out but it is very difficult to come off levodopa.

Nothing in the way of medication permanently helps the tremor! What do you find most disturbing about the tremor? Are you very self-conscious of it? Does it embarrass you? If either of these reasons give you problems, I would suggest that you accept it as part of your life and tell your family and friends what it is and why you shake, so that they understand it and will get used to it.

Are you aware that you can hide the resting tremor by clenching that fist, not tightly, or stretching the fingers of that hand out as far as you can. Either way, the tremor disappears. You can hold those actions for a while but you will soon get tired of doing it. However, if you are seated, you can spread the fingers of that hand straight out on your lap and it will look quite normal. If it is a resting tremor, which means it only shakes when the hand is at rest then the moment you use the hand the tremor disappears.

People spend fortunes on this problem and it becomes the biggest thing in their lives. Exercise, like fast walking makes us fitter and stronger and that also helps with the tremors, although it does not get rid of them entirely.

I shake most wen I am stressed, so the obvious thing for me is to not get stressed. Whatever stresses us, we should leave alone.

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Rosabellazita in reply toJohnPepper

Thank you mr. Pepper

Levodopa is the gold standard for the treatment of Parkinson disease (PD). There remains, however, a lingering concern whether levodopa is toxic to dopamine neurons and accelerates the degenerative process.1 The question is not whether the drug is beneficial—clearly it is. Rather, the question is whether the profound symptomatic effects of levodopa mask an underlying toxicity that hastens disease progression.

What is the basis for considering this seemingly heretical hypothesis? It revolves around the capacity of levodopa to undergo auto-oxidation and form reactive oxygen species either through its own auto-oxidation to form semiquinones or by way of its conversion to dopamine, whose oxidative metabolism yields the highly reactive hydroxyl radical.1There is also concern that dopamine interactions with α-synuclein can induce toxicity by promoting the formation of toxic protofibrils2 or by inhibiting chaperone-mediated autophagy, a mechanism for clearing unwanted intracellular proteins and protein aggregates.3

In laboratory studies, levodopa induces degeneration of cultured dopamine neurons in a concentration-dependent manner, but the clinical significance of this finding is uncertain, as the concentrations employed are much higher than are used in treating PD, and cultured cells lack natural protectants such as glial cells and ascorbic acid.1Moreover, levodopa is not toxic to dopamine neurons in normal, dopamine-lesioned, or oxidatively stressed animals. Further, activation of dopamine receptors can induce phosphorylation of protective molecules (e.g., PI-3kinase, AKT) while sublethal concentrations of levodopa can upregulate anti-apoptotic molecules (e.g., BCL-2) and protect against higher concentrations …

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Hikoi in reply to

parkinsonsecrets.com/blog/2...

A recent article by Dr Okun gives a different point of view. It is headed Sinemet and Madopar are not toxic.

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soup in reply toHikoi

An excellent reference. Thank you. I have passed it on to the PD nurses here in Cornwall for their comments. Thanks

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shakyj

Thanks for all the support - I have plenty to read through now. Interesting web site John Pepper.

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mccshe

Haven't been here in a while. Today I came upon the discussion above. I have been on carb/lev 25/100 ...2 tabs... 3 times a day. I feet nauseous when I take my meds sometimes, and attributed the nausea to the carb/lev, so I avoided the second and third doses as I was trying to maintain my job. No room for being dizzy and nauseous.

Thought I was doing fine but in reality by the time I got home stiff beyond belief and riddled with pain. For me t's the damned pain...so prevalent I can hardly stand it everyday. So when I saw my neuro she told me to increase the carb/lev. That is how they treat the pain she told me. Well ...I did just that. I started taking my carb/lev as prescribed three times a day. At first thought wow this is really helping with the pain...thank heaven.

Then just last Saturday I had one of the worst days of my life!!!! I had uncontrollable movements throughout my whole body for most of the day and it was horrible. I guess now I know why. I thought it was the disease, not a side effect of the medicine!!!!! So now what do I do?? Pain or Dyskinesia....they're the same They both fuck up my day and prevent me from doing what I need to. I ask forgiveness for my language,...it's just the way I feel !!

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Hikoi in reply tomccshe

I suggest you look at the medication timing, lower dose more frequently, it takes some time adjusting.

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Polyanna007 in reply tomccshe

I too had same problem with the same medication. Doctor gave me

Zofran. To take for this and for Me, it works. If am nauseous I take one

And within ten to fifteen minutes it is gone and for at least six to eight hours. I have had to take two in 24 hours. Ask your Doctor as it is given routinely for Chemo patients, which thankfully I am not one, PD is enough to deal with for me. Nothing ventured nothing to loose but nausea and dizziness, which thankfully I did

not have. Your pharmacist could also give you good insight into using this as I did also.

They have your drug profile and would know if contraindicated with

Anything you are now on including over the counter items. Good luck to you Mccshe

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mccshe in reply toPolyanna007

You won't believe me when I tell you how I manage the nausea. I have been using essential oils.Peppermint to be exact. One dab of it on my tongue nausea gone immediately and completely. My office manager shared it with me one day when I was illl at work. I couldn't believe it myself! Now I always carry a small vial wherever I go.

I am familiar with zofran. I know it is very effective.

Thank you so much for sharing.

Hope you are feeling well today, as you already know , one day at a time! :)

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boundless in reply tomccshe

I too get very nauseous from Sinemet. I hate that pill and the feeling it gives me in about an hour. However we are at the mercy of a med that can help us. I lie down for awhile (an hour) and it generally subsides, but that is the worst hour of my day, I will try the peppermint. Thanks.

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dawsonp in reply tomccshe

I know what your saying. I take 25-100 Sinemet I feel better if I take the medication but it can also mess with my work day. As it is I work a twenty hour work week and not even good at that most weeks any more.

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hunter32 in reply tomccshe

im from canada we are aloude to buy cannabis i dont no if it good for pd . but i know it good to get a break.from pain. it cuts the signal of pain going to the brain./ io feel very luky ive had pd for 18 years and i dont have any pain.

.+

Polyanna007 profile image
Polyanna007

I feel your pain and frustration as a PD sufferer but also Agree the language does not help

Sorry for discomfort and hope for help and relief but feel bad

Language is not a attitude we need to express out frustration.

Hope for better days ahead for you.

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mccshe

Polyanna007

Thank you for your comments and I do apologize for offending you. Not my intention to offend anyone at all. It was an expression used out of frustration, not to or towards anyone. It was a matter of not thinking before I spoke. Not a well thought out post, more of a spontaneous outburst .. I do that sometimes. Perhaps I shouldn't.

Best wishes to you as well!

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Annie81963 in reply tomccshe

Hello Polyanna007 I feel your pain,I curse to when I'm in so much pain,I just want it to stop ASAP! And lately it's been awful. We all have our way of dealing with things, right or wrong,and without trying to offend anyone.

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Annie81963 in reply toAnnie81963

Sorry I meant to send this to mccshe

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Rosabellazita in reply tomccshe

U have a reason to..feel free to vent

boundless profile image
boundless in reply tomccshe

Get it out of your system, you will feel better. They say writing it down is better than saying it out loud.

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Pheonixalight

For goodness sakes the lady is only human, and too much pain makes me feel unhuman, where a lot of human niceties go out of the window. Don't beat yourself up Polyanna007, I love you & feel for your pain & frustration, in fact in spite of a very gentle telling off, it's obvious that others feel for you as well. Take care & all best wishes.

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Annie81963 in reply toPheonixalight

I agree

annh profile image
annh

Hi guys, how come nobody has mentioned DBS? Look up uknow.uky.edu/content/uk-fi...

I am involved as a PD patient, but I can tell you that I have witnessed DBS enough times to know that it is a life changing therapy. A word of caution.....you need a first class, experienced team to have the best outcome.

Dennis profile image
Dennis

Thank you for you helpful reply. I too have med problems, more down time by far than up

time. Lots of pain in the chest and legs.

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willyjan1

I take 25/100 2 -3x a day. Plus I take 2 amanadine 1 2x a day, Plus 1 neupro patch 1 -8mg once a day.

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Auddonz

My husband takes half of a 25/250 dose every four hours of carbidopa/levodopa. He started taking a whole pill but it caused some side effects that were not in his favor Called the Dtr and he said give him half. A little more weakness getting in and out of bed but so far ok. He is also very tired and sleeps a lot most of the day. Anyone else have that effect?

Get your husband into a exercise program as soon as possible the more and longer he exercises the better he will feel he will be able to get out of bed and do more every day the core of his body is weak

trust me it will help

crossfitfch.com/blog

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rustynutt

I am 63 and have been taking 25/100 Sinemet since 2002, so for 13 years. My Doc started me off with 1 pill 3 times daily and showed no results... he then increased the dosage to 3 pills 3 times daily and after two weeks of this, it was like someone turned on the lights... relief... wow. Over the years he tried to supplement the Sinemet with a couple of other drugs (?) can't remember, but neither of them agreed with me, so he increased the dosage to 14 pills a day... so starting at 6am 2 pills, 9am 2 pills, noon 2 pills, 3pm 2 pills, 6pm 2 pills, 9pm 2 pills and midnight 2 pills. Some days when I get busy with activity and forget to take the pills, I pay for it big time. I asked him if I was taking too much and he asked if I was feeling ok with it. I said yes and he said, well then you're not taking too much. He is a leading researcher/Neurologist in PD, so I do what he suggests. I think everyone is different and medications will behave in everyone a little, or a lot differently. Just my 2 cents worth.

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dianegale in reply torustynutt

Hi my name is Diane and I use carbolevadopa combination of 25/100 and er 50 /250 4 doses a day

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dianegale in reply todianegale

Depending on the day , stress level and what I'm doing the medicine lasts about 4 hrs takes any time from 1/2 hour to two hours to kick in . during peak time I can walk go to the gym and play the piano and sing

During downtime I am stiff and move slower and don't play the piano as well . I am a music teacher so I need to vary times depending on my schedule . problem i am having now are my night time activities the choirs . I get really uncomfortable at night with the pain and slowness so I changed the times

2 am 50/200

8 am 50/200

12 pm 2 pills 25/100

4 pm 25/100

I sometimes take an extra dose

At 8 to ease the pain but it takes a longtimeto kick in

I'm worried about takingtheextra dose but after reading your responses I realize that it's okay . I see a wonderful neurologist and have a great support team at home with my husband . I have been told to see a rheumatologist . I am really upset that I can't do all of my activities . the carbolevadopa makes me pretty close to normal . I can't deal with the pain at night . any suggestions ?

Thanks

Diane

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rpvphil in reply torustynutt

No side effects?

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Rosabellazita in reply torustynutt

Omg 14 !! Wow

boundless profile image
boundless in reply torustynutt

J guess you don't have any problem swallowing pills.Lucky you.

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fordy40

I am just in the end of stage 4. I was paralyzed and tremoring so hard when each time meds wore off I only 2 hrs. All I could dp is get to the bed and lay there ,totally paralyzed and weak. Had to wait an hour to take next dose and 30 to 45 ,min.for meds to kick in. So now, my increase of 200mg stalevo, one evrry 4 hrs. and 10-100 sinenet one every 4 hrs. ismaking me ery hyper and moving around uncontrollable.

PLease what can I do to calm this movement and hyperness I take a total of 1800mg levodopa very day. WAs at 1600 a day should I cut in half the sinemet tab.Feels like a hearattack is close

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tinacat in reply tofordy40

My husband was taking close to 5000 mg of levodopa a day from the mucuna pruriens plant he's paralyzed everyday now all this medicines garbage. Did you find any relief from this?

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Despe in reply totinacat

I am not a doctor but 5gm of levodopa is a lot! Try to cut down and see what happens.

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hunter32

ive ad PD for 18 years ive been using leadopa carbodopa i ting its the same hase senament,.,. that was the miracal medicaiion for me ,that would do the job perficly over the yaers it came lesse efective the doctor put me on TVA ENTACAPONE that is a madication to help or i shouild say it will pave the road for the livadopa ,im still using it. after that he put me 0on APO EVOCARB CR that is a slow release levadopa now the livadopa is causing me a vocal problem the words dont come out . one evening stoped the levadopa that solved my vocal problem .to night im triyng some thing else . stoped the reguler levadopa and just use only my apo levocarb cr its been 4 hours i had my last dose and uselly itr d. dont last any more then 2 hours you no they com out with somting new its cald SAFINAMIDE if you ind some ting about this let me now

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