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Shame we can't add a poll.

Like many here, I am classed as high risk, as we near the release of the vaccine(s), i am still not sure what I will do, I am swaying towards saying yes, but not 100% decided!

So I am wondering what other people are thinking about having the Vaccine as it becomes available, are you a Yes, No or wait a while and see?

Gaz

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Did the nurses say what they will do?

080311 profile image
080311 in reply to

I asked all 3 all said they would be first in line. The nurse at my GP surgery said she had had a conversation with the doctors there and all had said they would have it so she said she would follow suit.

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Interesting, thanks.

Just to clarify, the question was not about being anti-vaccine, but rather my curiosity as to what people here, who in the most part are well informed, will choose to do.

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That is reassuring to read.

Posts can unfortunately take on a life of their own and end up in places that the original poster did not intend.

I really hope this doesn't happen with this post.

Yea I’m having it but probably gonna swerve the Oxford / astra Zeneca one.

My understanding is it wasn't a manufacturing error, It was an error by the contracted testers. That is why the %'s are skewed, it's also how they found out that it appears to be more effective if a half dose is given 1st. Also, the results are a consolidation of UK & Brazil testing.

Yes that's the article I read, as they say, even if it is 60% effective it's still acceptable, just a shame they messed up the testing & as you say pooling 2 sets of data! Also the fact that the half dose was predominantly given to younger volunteers!

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For me though it’s a no- brainer between a vaccine with 95% efficacy & one that’s 60% but 90% on a good day.

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Guess it depends on which are approved and available for distribution 1st. Hopefully not the Pfizer one as it will be a nightmare logistically.

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SpiritoftheFloyd

I'm sitting here with my shirt sleeve rolled up!

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HenryTudor

Like you I’m undecided and will wait and see.

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Gingerapple

Hi,I'm waiting to see what the effects on others are....

🤔sadly...don't trust it yet

I work in the legal field now, ex NHS and given what I have been able to read and understand my position is that I would not have the vaccine. This type of vaccine has never ben approved before , I won't go into tech details. Also there is no way of knowing long term effects which worries me. As it won't stop the spread, and only can reduce severity, then I will rely on my immune system for now, and vitamin D. I'm sure it's a very difficult choice for some people. I'm not antic vaccines, but just not this one.

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bee2 in reply to

I agree 100% with you. I have had too many side effects from medications and because of conditions everything I take has to be checked by GP and pharmacists. Too risky. I will rely on my immune system for now

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YorkshireBlue

We trust the medical profession with our lives, never question the competance of surgeons or doctors or any of the other drugs they prescribe. Why would I listen to the modern WOKE community who sole purpose, intentional or otherwise, is to undermine confidence in things we have generaly accepted previously. Some would rather take heed of the keyboard warriors who base their mission on unfounded social media based rumour.

Listen to your doctor and if he says have it, then you need to take his advice.

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Sadly, my husband listened to, and trusted his Doctor and now has permanent damage. I left the NHS and now work in the legal field assisting with Witness reports for the Court for medical negligence. I do NOT appreciate those who have a different opinion being called "Woke". My daughter has waited 18 weeks for her brain scan results, which shows something that was not picked up 5 years ago... love from a keyboard warrior! Try looking for evidence yourself and not calling facts from other independent professionals "media based rumours"... sometimes you do need to question the competence of surgeons and doctors

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YorkshireBlue in reply to

I was generalising of course and as you have suffered unfortunate first hand experience I bow to your more pertinent knowledge. But there are many who rather than listen to whatever qualified advice there is, can be swayed by conspiratory theories etc. Best wishes to you & your family.

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DAVEEJG

I’m a Yes. Can’t see why anyone won’t have it unless medically directed otherwise.

So are you a Yes, No or Maybe?

Trishe profile image
Trishe

I don't eat Sausages, full stop.

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Trishe

I'm with you, as I react to different foods and medications too, after reading comments on here I'm now undecided.

DaveTR profile image
DaveTR

It's a "yes" from me.I take all the help I can get.

AnnD_ profile image
AnnD_

I have a compromised immune system so it would be a 'yes' with the right one.

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Scott_d

Guessing you have been on the end of plenty of FDA and MHRA audits as well then. I’m not sure how that mistake got made....

I don't think many GP Practices will be giving the vaccines directly, the footfall and therefore the risks would be far too high .

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Ianc2

Do you trust everyone to behave over Xmas? If I wait will I be exposed in this time? The virus is in my local hospital and the local schools and there are a fair number of people walking around the shops without masks on.

Looking at my local figures I am expecting another spike immediately after Xmas. To me it is a no brainer and the quicker the better.

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Tessie28 in reply to Ianc2

Yes I have no trust left in people. When you see people you know who should know better carrying on as normal. Some of my neighbours are idiots.

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Silverball

Yes - but the main thing is to base your decision on reasonable data. Talk to doctors, nurses, statisticians. Read medical papers that are peer reviewed. I know that I cannot fully understand the subject so I will have to rely on others to guide me. Just make sure the others are not the folks who won't get it because they don't want Bill Gates microchip injected.

I’ll keep mine crossed for you. My practice did flu jabs, but the target numbers to be done each day is a lot higher with COVID vaccine, so the local network is using the sports centre.

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Trishe in reply to

I'll keep mine crossed too, and thanks for the update.Trish

I'm 84, TAVR recipient, ADPKD stage 4, Emphysema. Just waking up in the morning is a definite possible maybe, so I'll take whatever vaccine is "approved". What do I have to lose?

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Tessie28

I would fight to be first in line! lol. These people have worked night and day to create it. Nurses and doctors have sometimes given their lives to treat people with covid. The very least the rest of us can do is show up and be very grateful for it.

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Tessie28

Oh dear, I even volunteered myself to take part. I would get yourself ready for spending the next few years in fear then.

It has been tested on all ages over 18 and chronic conditions didn’t exclude you, other factors may of.

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Thanksnhs

Hi I am going to be guided by my cardiologist, I am at the clinic tomorrow and I will ask her what she thinks, personally I would rather have it than not, but I will do whatever the hospital says char

No, it will be what’s approved & available.

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Alison_L

My 92yo mother with heart failure & type II diabetes was one of the guinea pigs. She's also a breast cancer survivor. Why do you say it hasn't been tested on older people or those with chronic disease?

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GardenRed in reply to Alison_L

Did not say that - just too few in number. Immuno suppressed excluded.

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Alison_L in reply to GardenRed

blaser did say that.

You do know he is a "clinical trials geek" not a medical doctor or virologist?

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GracieOS in reply to

Dr Toshner undertook a British Heart Foundation Research Training Fellowship in Cambridge in 2007 where he trained in cell and molecular mechanisms of endothelial dysfunction in pulmonary hypertension. He was appointed to a Wellcome/ NIHR Clinical Lecturer in 2010. He is the current University Lecturer in Translational Respiratory Research and his group is interested in translational and experimental research in pulmonary vascular diseases.

I think he knows more than me, and most people, about research trials.

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We can all pick and choose our "experts"... there are many who are more qualified than him that disagree too... choose wisely!

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Who??

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Professor Sunetra Gupta;

Professor of theoretical epidemiology, the University of Oxford

Professor Carl Heneghan;

Director, Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, the University of Oxford

Professor Karol Sikora;

Consultant oncologist and Professor of medicine, University of Buckingham

Sam Williams;

Director and co-founder of Economic Insight

SignatoriesProfessor Louise Allan;

Professor of Geriatric Medicine,

University of ExeterFrancois Balloux;

Professor of Computational Systems Biology,

UCLProfessor Sucharit Bhakdi MD; Emeritus Professor of Medical Microbiology, JG University of MainDr Julii Brainard;

Epidemiology and Public Health Research Group,

UEAProfessor Anthony J Brookes;

Department of Genetics & Genome Biology,

University of LeicesterProfessor Nick Colegrave; Chair in Experimental Evolution, University of Edinburgh

Dr Ron Daniels;

Consultant in Intensive Care and Executive Director,

UK Sepsis TrustProfessor Robert Dingwall; FAcSS, Hon MFPH,

Professor of Sociology,

Nottingham Trent UniversityProfessor Fionn Dunne FREng; Imperial College LondonProfessor Kim Fox;

Professor of Clinical Cardiology,

Imperial College LondonProfessor Anthony Glass;

Chair of Managerial Economics,

Sheffield University Management SchoolDr Andy Gaya MD MRCP FRCR;

Consultant Clinical Oncologist

Dr Peter Grove;

Former Lead Analyst: Infectious Diseases, Pandemic and Emergency Planning,

DoHProfessor Matt Hickman;

Head of Population Health Sciences,

University of BristolProfessor Elizabeth Hughes;

Professor of Mental Health,

University of LeedsDr Tom Jefferson;

Physician epidemiologist and Senior Associate Tut

or, University of OxfordProfessor Syma Khalid;

Professor of computational biophysics,

University of SouthamptonProfessor David Miles CBE;

Professor of Economics,

Imperial College LondonProfessor Paul Ormerod;

Economist,

Department of computer science,

University College LondonProfessor Andrew Oswald;

Professor of Economics and Behavioural Science,

University of WarwickProfessor David Paton;

Chair of Industrial Economics

, Nottingham University Business SchoolProfessor Hugh Pennington CBE FRSE;

Emeritus Professor of Bacteriology

, University of AberdeenProfessor Barbara Pierscionek;

Associate Dean Research and Enterprise

, Staffordshire UniversityProfessor Eve Roman; Epidemiology and Cancer Statistics Group, University of YorkProfessor Justin Stebbing;

Professor of Cancer Medicine and Oncology,

Imperial College LondonProfessor Ellen Townsend;

Self-Harm Research Group,

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Consultant Cardiac Surgeon,

University of Oxford Hospitals Trust (retired)Professor Simon Wood;

Professor of Statistical Computing,

University of Edingburgh

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080311

Morning Char, would you let me know what she says? Can remember having my polio on a sugar cube and my TB jag. My parents were so pleased I had been vaccinated, back in the 40s and 50s it was causing such damage. With polio, kids in iron lungs and having to wear callipers. Parents of kids of my generation were terrified their kids would get it.Hope everything is well at the clinic tomorrow maybe a step closer to getting your drugs reduced. Wouldn’t that be a nice Christmas present.

Pauline X

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Thanksnhs in reply to 080311

Hi it definitely would be, fingers crossed bloods are ok tomorrow, I will let you know what my consultant says, I would have thought they might have discussed it by now, my mum's cousin is badly disabled by polio I think she was first in the queue to get me vaccinated, I had no hesitation myself getting the boys done, with the wee sugar cube and all the other ones available when they were born, fingers crossed the covid one will be fine and we can all get some normality back in our lives, that would be the best Christmas present ever char xx

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080311 in reply to Thanksnhs

Couldn’t agree more. X

Bicyclist profile image
Bicyclist

I was thinking that may be the case, hence, "if i can" but my preference would be one of the others.

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linnielizzie in reply to Bicyclist

My preference is one asap - pre surgery if possible !!!

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sandrann

At this present time I'm undecided, verging on NO.

You do realise that the vaccine does not prevent you catching it, but just reduces the severity... read Patrick Valance's statement, therefore you can still pass it on

The recent data from multiple coronavirus vaccine trials has uplifted people around the world – as it was revealed multiple jabs showed high efficacy against the novel virus.

Moderna, an American biotechnology company, announced its coronavirus vaccine was 94.5 per cent effective at protecting people from Covid-19. But the company’s top doctor has now warned this news doesn’t necessarily mean those who are vaccinated will be unable to transmit the virus to the unvaccinated.

"They do not show that they prevent you from potentially carrying this virus transiently and infecting others," Moderna Chief Medical Officer Tal Zaks told Axios, adding the public should not “over-interpret the results” of the vaccine yet.

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Hence why it is so important to give the vaccine to the most vulnerable first, then for it to be cascaded as is deemed best. That way ‘normal’ life can hopefully return.

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GardenRed

Guess you won't know if you don't ask

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gladliz

I like sausage and always look for the meat content 90%+ and british. If Aldis pass will quite happily eat them.

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GardenRed

can't view comes up as error :( Are you able to post the full title so I can search please.

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AnnD_ in reply to GardenRed

If you just search for Zoe Covid 19 webinar on YouTube you will find it.

My point was it was open to all aged over 18, immunodeficiency was one of the other factors for exclusion. The numbers are down to those volunteering, or not in this case.

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Visigoth

100% yes!

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AnnD_

Well I was really confused to. I know it has been modified so l played the webinar back on YouTube, just search for Zoe Covid 19 webinar and you will be able to watch it. It's when they start going through the questions that it comes up. Professor Openshaw very definitely says it's live and there may be some hesitancy about using it on anyone with a compromised immune system. I'm hoping someone will eventually come up with a definite answer.

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Sevenstar in reply to AnnD_

Thanks AnnD , yes I did play it , and yes he did say it was live ! I'm still confused tho and after lots of Googling i still can't find a good answer and I'm sure I read last week that it was modified! My Rheumatoid said a live one wasn't suitable for certain conditions which is disappointing! Thanks though !

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Prada47

Enjoy whilst you have it !!

Hands Face Space

An interesting article detailing vaccines being considered around the world.

google.co.uk/amp/s/www.live...

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Tubbylardo

Ah, just counting down until this thread is deleted like so many others before it .......5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .......

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Don’t think it will be, it hasn’t slipped off topic (much!) and the topic is relevant. Shame Health Unlocked haven’t carried out a poll it could provide useful info.

Trishe profile image
Trishe

I'll wait for that to come thro', thankyou. for replying.

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joel132

i am not taking it if it glows in the dark :)

Tullymore profile image
Tullymore

I have it too, Folicular Lymphoma a type of Non Hodgkin Are you being treated?

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AnnD_ in reply to Tullymore

I have Waldenstrom’s macroglobulinemia, treatment completed 2 yrs 6 mths ago, in a partial remission.

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Tullymore in reply to AnnD_

Very rare indeed. Best and keep well

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AnnD_ in reply to Tullymore

And you!

Sevenstar profile image
Sevenstar

Ditto here , I have Antiphosolipid disease and other immune issues plus heart and lung issues, there are a lot of questions aren't there ! Stay well !

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AnnD_ in reply to Sevenstar

You too!

IMAGES profile image
IMAGES

I would like yo say yes but like you I am not convinced all gjrcrelrvrny tests got comparability with other drugs has been completed. O silly think everything has just raved aheadof any logic despite all the retpriv about pu live safety. The pharmacyUiticles have to make their money, first on 7th market has the priority. Hope it does work the world needs a good leg up at the noment. Hats off to all the vunteers trying out thevacine regardless of the consequences , true hheros wishing you all a long and healthy life.

The vaccine protects you AND importantly, the NHS. The more high risk people who are vaccinated the less likely they will end up in hospital, therefore less pressure on them.

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IMAGES

Did they know what they were doing when they introduced thalimzlixd birth control? That is spelt wrong, but hope you an recall what I mean. Zpogirs if it opens old S cares for any readers. It intended sorry.

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Thalidomide was not for birth control, it was (amongst other things) a treatment for morning sickness. Still widely used today, just not for morning sickness.

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080311 in reply to IMAGES

By the way the comment” couldn’t agree more” was about a lovely Christmas present if we could get some normality back in our lives.

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isobelhannah18

I'm a definite yes and the earlier the better! Vaccinations (and clean water) have been the two things that have contributed most to good health.

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isobelhannah18

that's a really good point.

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jerry12953

Brilliant post. Thanks.

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MilkfairyHeart Star

I am sorry to hear of your sad loss.

I agree with you.

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Gcart in reply to Milkfairy

Thank you Milkfairy x

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waylay

Oh yes, very much agreed!

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MountainGoat52

Hmm, so my 60 year old friend that got over cancer last year and took part in one of the trials doesn't count. She'll be pleased when I tell her it was all a waste of time. 😯

Kelling profile image
Kelling

Yes

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Pollypuss

I would take it like a shot. After triple bypass life is for living with our recycled body not for worrying about a virus that could kill me

In case you missed it, I posted this very early on in this post -

"Just to clarify, the question was not about being anti-vaccine, but rather my curiosity as to what people here, who in the most part are well informed, will choose to do.".

hth

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Clerkenweller

Sorry Gaz. My intention was not to suggest you were anti vac. I am increasingly annoyed by what I'm reading from others. I personally will take whatever I can as soon as I’m offered!

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EmmyLaury12

I’m definitely going to have it .

I’m a nurse in general practice and they’ve said because I’m taking an anticoagulant for prev. HA I can’t have it !

Suppose hasn’t been through enough tests I don’t know 🤷‍♀️

From what I have read you can bleed from

Injection site but surely wouldn’t bleed for long if pressure applied ????

I just commented on another thread, the guidelines changed twice on Thursday re anti coag's & allergies.

So the GP's are giving out the correct current info.

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bantam12 in reply to

The BHF update on Friday 18th doesn't give any new guidelines, just bruising as it was before. Would you like to tell us what the new advice is ?

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Stick to the other thread :)

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bantam12 in reply to

People in both threads need to know this new information which doesn't appear to be new, if stable on anticoagulants they are not a contraindication.

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Sorry, but it is new, the date you are quoting is the original doc posting date, the update is the 17th Dec.

I think you’re missing the point! According to the article I posted, that info was, I believe, misinterpreted then passed to the vaccination centres, resulting in people not receiving the vaccine.

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Tessie28

sending thoughts and prayers your way. x

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