With all the news about Coronavirus I was thinking it’s wise if everyone wipes the trolley handles down because so many germs
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Corona was a brand of pop in glass bottles with the neck patterned with dimples. There was 6d deposit on every bottle so worth while checking any old bottle us kids could find. The Corona man came round once a week and drove a double sided lorry with such a choice of pop never seen before, all displayed on the angled sides of the lorry - which was coloured yellow I believe. The only similar service that could be even remotely associated with Corona and beer was the Davenports, Beer at Home man - a totally different tipple
Made me smile - and when you got a bottle of Lucozade in the cellophane wrapper, you knew your mum thought you were ill
Where I lived in the US was the same, all the supermarkets and drug stores had wipes and gel at the doors, tills, and in the produce and meat departments as well. When I retired home to Britain I was surprised that isn't done here.
I carry a spray bottle filled with 70% isopropyl alcohol - I spray everything I am about to touch including handrails, door handles, and trolley grips. I also spray everything when I'm loading the car boot.
So far, so good.
I completely agree! What saddens me is once the coronavirus threat passes too many people will stop being careful about hygiene in public places. I have a feeling you're like me and will continue being careful after this is all over - wouldn't it be lovely if everyone carried on being careful? It just seems to me if we all were careful all the time when out and about, fewer germs and bacteria would spread.
Seems a 'no-brainer' but then with my multiple heart conditions I always have to be careful so perhaps I'm a little sensitive to the issue.
You're not being to sensitive, just doing what is appropriate to your situation. I was just talking to my wife about cross-contact between people and we came to the conclusion that it is everywhere. It is virtually impossible to live in isolation. The situation I often refer to when discussing the subject is public toilets.... how to get out when you've washed your hands and you have just seen someone use the toilet and leave without washing. Arghh!
Hmmmmm My thought is that the level of cleanliness in supermarkets etc in the US reflects more on how dirty the population must be! Heard once that 98% of all dollar bills are impregnated with Coke, used as a tool to sniff the drug.
Its a pity the youth of today did not have the same cleanliness bug for that sure would have cut down on the unwanted pregnancies, promoting the use of prophylactics.
I just can't believe I have read such suggestions - is it 1st April? You must be very lonely shut in people in your own !clean" world. This is not reality!
I clearly remember you telling me where you lived and where you are now.
Whoever planned this world really thought about germs and gave us an immune system - the problem arose when people began to put themselves in a clean bubble thus the beginning of the destruction of our strongest tool to combat germs and disease - our natural immunity.
We have built upon that over the years, where further immunity can easily achieved through injections that promote the bodies responses to build up our immunity. Worked for polio and many other common diseases now rarely heard of. The problem only raises it's head when "educated people think they know best and decide not to take the advice of the health authority.
History has also taught us much, remember when people used to wear gloves, ladies especially. When you saw at the cinema and the fledgling TV about the man who is told off at a bus stop that "Coughs and sneezes spread diseases" I'd rather see a person use a handkerchief than an ineffective face mask, usually sold to stop dust particles from being breathed in.
And all we hear on the news is needless political point scoring over something that has, as yet not become a problem. Furthermore, had all the do gooders accepted the common sense t shutting borders and curtailing long haul flights and actually saying NO to the return of the Brits on the ship berthed in Japan with possible infectees, we would not now have the problem that the actual people we brought back to the UK from Japan, have the virus - well more fool us.
PLEASE LET COMMON SENSE PREVAIL - How long would it take for some to actually go to London - to the underground and perform their clean germ free regime at 0730 - would probably find themselves trampled under foot. Just to keep this in perspective, how many diseases have re appeared here in the UK, brought into the country by open borders? Who shouts about that? Not politically correct perhaps? So I guess that whipping up a storm over Corona virus makes sense when thousands of our old folk die each year from the flu virus.
Thats why I say "please keep ones perspective and remember just how rare this virus actually is"
I am going to rely on Public Health England's view.
This new novel virus has the potential to disrupt the way we live our lives.
The Government is planning to bring in measures to contain the spread of the virus.
No government would make these plans without good cause
Unlike for flu there is at present no vaccine. Slowing the spread of the virus buys the scientists time to develop a vaccine.
There is only a "type" of flu virus and containment of such a virus as we are dealing with today begins with the curtailment of the mass movement of people. Two weeks ago Australia and Singapore banned all flights from China - we did not. I agree with the Public Health view - be prepared - however they also ask us to remain vigilant but to keep in mind how rare the virus is. Its all about remaining vigilant, not panic stricken and over the top.
I hear wonsie diving suits (referred to in the trade as a "bag") , full facemask (see Notting Hil - the film) and breathing aparatus - are very popular in Chelmsford at the moment, only problem is, if you get wind, you'll need an airfreshener, so its best to put some in anyway and a hankerchief in case you sneeze - although everyone around you would be aware of that since the bag would momentarily expand at the ankles - see getting wind - same result - nothings secret!
Thank you for making me smile at the thought of the consequences of wearing the Chelmsford ' bag' and breathing apparatus.
This is an interesting article
I will keep washing my hands, stay vigilant and keep calm and carry on !
Yes, my husband and I have taken the same approach. We recognise this could go pear-shaped but there isn't much more we can do other than 'Keep Clean and Carry On!'.
We went down to the next town over a bit ago and did a top-up. When I pulled out my spray bottle of 70% isopropyl alcohol to spray the trolley down I noticed an older woman and a young mum with a baby in a trolley watching.
The older lady nodded approvingly, the mum asked me what I was using and where I bought it.
The store (ASDA) was well stocked, doing brisk business - but everyone was keeping well away from one another, and there were only a few mums with young children. The shoppers were either singles with lists and on mobile consults with someone at home, or couples like my husband and I, also armed with lists. At Lidl, again, well stocked, busy but everyone keeping distance and no mums with children anywhere in the store.
like you on the health front, and I apply an antiseptic cream to my hands rubbed well in - the thought of so many people breathing over and touching all the goods on shelves. Anti bacterial in my bag and in the car. Have done this since endocarditis as the risk of getting it again is very high. This Covo19 is a virus so less able to barrier protect but worth doing anyway. Stay safe folks
Hi, l have just been told to restart taking antibiotics before visiting the dentist by the hospital. The reason is my complex infective endocarditis three years ago, the Doctors worry about it reoccurring but it could drive me demented if l lived like that. Think l may install a chlorine dip like the swimming pools, l already smell of TCP most of the time if l get a scratch or bite on it goes to stop sepsis again. Take care, Sue.
You are right, I have used a barrier cream when gardening or other likely germy places, but its not something I dwell on . Ten years later the wonderful docs and hopefully me sensibly but not histrionically looking after my health, I am up and pretty active. I have not bought a mask or any other props, just carrying on as normal. Enjoy the spring.
Me too. Never without a little bottle of anti bac and anti virus stuff.
My sister, whose local doctors surgery is the Surrey one where the chap turned up with what's now been found to be coronavirus, is fuming. Sad thing is, many people don't follow the safety instructions put in place to try and prevent a spread! xx
I get my 70% isopropyl through Amazon Subscribe and Save - comes in a pack of three and you will find it under the beauty supplies (used in hairdressing salons). In a pinch I can find it at 99% at any brick and mortar computer store, no license needed.
The surgical spirit is on the shelf at every Boots and Lloyds I've been in including the ones in my small town and can be bought without a license.
Btw, both chemists in my town are restricting sales of hand sanitiser to two per family per day and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't start rationing the surgical spirit soon.
Thanks for prompt replywill investigate tomorrow 70 % strength is the is the problem it has to be that to kill the virus.
I had thought chemists sold ethanol but i think tnat is not easy to get.
Was told last week that stockists have nothing to supply shops. I think the problem came about because the first school that closed last week is very near here .
Try online at Amazon Subscribe and Save (best price), just use the search term isopropyl alcohol 70% once you get to the S&S shopping page. You might be able to order it outwith the S&S programme but it's nearly twice the price.
I don't know anything about ethanol but surgical spirit should still be on the shelves in your local chemist although you may have to go a few miles out of your local range as your area has had a school closed for a deep clean.
Best to you and yours. I've found out in the past few hours we have now at least one confirmed case up here in Scotland, and the patient is from my area. He and his family returned last week from an Italian holiday and despite claiming they were 'self-isolating', they threw a party for extended family and friends.
One of the extended family who went to the party then turned up to work the next day. Not clever, that, and we're hearing now there may be some 'measures' put in place up here to stop it spreading any farther than it already may have.
Sunnie , only just found your further e mail re surgical spirit and had today been trying to find places on internet and phone with no success except Boots who suggested surgical spirit but only one bottle left. Then phoned local chemist in village and now have two bottles . Thank you . I feel happier now. Still thinking about visit to hospital next week
your comments about the non " self- isolating" returnee from Italythrowing a party . They should be reported and named in press as example of thought less behaviour. Criminal behaviour in view of result to at least one person and probably more.
Trouble is people saying its only like the flu when it is far from it.
I used to forget, too. It's a habit and you'll get into it soon
I saw several photos online today of Costco employees disinfecting trolley grips - good on 'em and I hope the others start doing the same. Good public relations if you ask me for any store with trolleys to do that, and the ones without auto-doors to disinfect the door handles, etc.
Common side effects of ethanol include:
Low blood pressure ( hypotension) with flushing.
Low blood sugar ( hypoglycemia).
Says on bottle contains methyl salycilate and lowers blood pressure by dilatiing i blood vessels. I am not drinking it ! i how much of this is absorbed through skin. Also talk to doctor if on warfarin . I am on another blood thinner. There is always something to consider.
Sunnie 2 day uses it as a spray before touching so reduces use directly on hands?
I use 70% isopropyl alcohol (IA), and occasionally surgical spirit if I'm out of iso.
Denatured ethanol is nothing to play with from what I understand but it's not in IA. Not sure if it's in surgical spirit - I gave my last bottle to my neighbour last night so I can't check the label.
If it's in the surgical spirit you've bought, read the label carefully and if you have any questions about using it as a spray disinfectant, check with your medical team especially with your medications.
I'm not a medical professional, and I'm not on Warfarin - but I do know 'alcohol based hand sanitisers' are advised for everyone concerned about disinfecting whilst out and about, and I've never read anything on the gel bottles saying not to be used by heart patients on Warfarin. I've just checked the label on my IA and it doesn't say anything about not using it if on any medications.
Agreed . All things to be aware of are put there to protect t the manufacturers so will just disregard them , You use them for spraying t on surfaces of things you are going to touch which is more sensible with this . Not bothered only replying to other posts The warfarin relates to the other chemical present in the alcohol. I'm not on warfarin but apixaban and so I'm ignoring that
T . Too many other things to worry about these days and my audio/ visual set- up has failed so can only watch tv at time it is on, not on time shifted as i usually do. Must sort that . Most is not of any interest to me. Trying to avoid crowds. Might even get some painting done and letters written or emailed. At least I'm lucky that i do not go out to work any more. That is a worry for some.
Again thanks for your help .
Okay this very left field
An anti malaria drug containing quinine is a possible treatment for the coronavirsus Covid 19 virus.
Anybody for a Gin & ( quinine containing )Tonic? 🤨
One of the best products for hand/body sanitising is the pre-op liquid soap that surgeons use prior to their operating and is called Hibiscrub.
The anti-germ, bacteria components of this liquid soap last upto six hours, whereas the one’s you buy in the supermarkets and the hand gel stuff only lasts minutes and become totally ineffective within minutes. Several years ago, trials were conducted with Premier League football clubs in the UK that proved those hand gels really are useless and a waste of money.
Some hospitals give you Hibiscrub a week before a major operation and you soap yourself with it twice a day to build up a complete germ free barrier prior to your operation.
It's a bit far to go for the weekly shop!
Silver is one of the most effective chemical elements against viruses and bacteria. I make my own Colloidal Silver and always have a spray bottle handy. Silver was a main treatment long before antibiotics took over.
The old saying: “born with a silver spoon in your mouth” derived from doctors back in the 1700-1800’s by advising those who came down with a cold or flu like illnesses to suck on a silver spoon, because the silver then gets into the blood stream and cures the illness by killing the virus/bacteria; but generally, only the wealthy were able to afford silver cutlery.
Look for surgical spirit, pour it into a spray bottle and carry that bottle with you everywhere.
Even better, look for isopropyl alcohol (available at sky-rocketing prices on those well known online purchasing sites starting with an 'A' and 'E') at least 70% (90% is better but hard to find). It can also be found at many computer stores in the cleaning section but often at 99% solutions so you would have to dilute it down to 70-90% by cutting in distilled water 7-9 parts iso to one part water.
Lens wipes, btw, are not effective for anything but keeping your specs clean of dust.
Not good enough (never demonstrated to reliably disinfect ALL potential contaminates) and takes at least five minutes for the acidic liquid to try to kill virus and bacteria. Surgical spirit and isopropyl alcohol kill on contact, job done.
I love white distilled vinegar - I use it for all sorts including keeping the lime scale and detergent build-up out of my clothes washing machine - but in the time of coronavirus the only disinfectants I trust are surgical spirits and iso, with bleach for cleaning the sanitary-ware and kitchen surfaces.
ETA: I use Dettol laundry disinfectant for clothes washing on 90C wash for bedding, towels, kitchen linens, socks and 'smalls'.
I know this will probably bring down a storm of wrath on my head, but I think that we have probably become too clean, using all sorts of antibacterial cleansers etc around our homes. Yes those of us who have complex medical conditions need to be extra careful but the majority of the population does not. Normal hygiene practices should be sufficient and we need to build up our natural immunity, otherwise we could end up being totally reliant on cleansers and having to live in bubbles because we have no immunity at all.
On a lighter note I am not surprised that in America Korona beer is confused with Corona virus. It is America after all and yes I well remember the Corona pop man. Dandelion and Burdock and Cream Soda, delicious!
Perhaps the thing to take on board is, yes, there are a lot of people diagnosed with the coronavirus but is that because of the rigorous testing that is being carried out?
The vast majority of those tested have very few, or even no, symptoms and they probably wouldn't even know they had it but for this vigorous testing. The mortality rate is very low against the diagnosed rate.
Initially I was seriously worried to the point I actually dreamt I had it!! So that really had to stop, now I try to not take it too seriously but practice good hygiene, that's really all you can do.
The reports say that people over 60 are at risk, those with Type2 are at risk and those with heart problems are at risk - so on that level I'm well in to doo doo.
That said,hell will have to freeze over to prevent me from been in T2 at Manchester Airport 10 weeks today waiting for my flight to Greece!
It is a concern, but life is too short! I've not come all this way just to sit here looking out of the window. The carrot all along has been to get back to Greece. I might have had a week in Tenerife in November, but the real proof that I'm OK will be sitting on the harbour side in Parga with a (small) beer watching the sun go down over the castle.
Also booked for 2 weeks at the end of September. Got 10 weeks to try and polish up on my Greek!😊
Debating doing a Northern Lights cruise later in the year!
Yes, I can't say I'm not concerned but it really was taking over my life & life is far too short!! Do you mind if I ask that after having had your CA, are you more conscious of embracing & enjoying life to the full? Kevin takes the view that he's no longer scared of what may happen, he's more scared that he's not taken advantage of his second chance!!
Would love to see the northern lights but the cold affects him badly.
I agree with Kevin - I'm definitely not scared of what my happen. Been given a second chance, and spent a lot of 2019 making the changes I needed to make that will hopefully mean I'm here for a good while and in reasonable health, that done I now indeed to make the most of it.
I'd hate to end up, some time in the future, not being able to do anything, having not done anything while I was able to. I don't do the regrets thing, but that is something I would regret. So yes I am scared of not making the most of this chance (says the man who goes to watch Tranmere Rovers 😒)
I'm not a fan of the cold, but Northern Lights can do done on cruise from Tilbury, Newcastle, Southampton and Liverpool - nice warm ship where they give you blankets to go on deck to watch the lights
wear disposable gloves or ones you wash when you get home.
I do that - and I also run my soapy hand over the pump and tap levers after I've used them letting the soap sit on the surfaces whilst scrubbing my hands and wrists and singing the Happy Birthday song twice through. Then I rinse the soap off me and the surfaces. I do this at home and when out and about.
This whole situation could have been avoided if the WHO stopped anyone coming out of or travelling to China. I personally believe this virus is here to stay due to present day movement of people around the world. For instance the flue it changes every year and each flu jab is not completely effective against the current years outbreak.
One person has been diagnosed with Corona Virus for the second time. Viruses tend to mutate once that happens probably more will die.
I was supposed to meet with the practice manager at my GP surgery tomorrow morning to sign the forms for complete access to all my medical records (Scotland, slightly different rules up here for many things including seeing medical records) - just took a call from her the meeting is 'postponed for the foreseeable future'.
No worries, except the practice nurse was going to pop into the manager's office and give my chest a listen for pericardial friction rub to see if my acute pericarditis flare has finally eased off. It's been put off the past two weeks (I'd been going once a week) and now I've been told I'm to 'self-monitor' and only call if I feel symptoms are worsening.
I live in Tayside where the newly confirmed Scottish case is. No word yet on exactly where this person lives so every where in Tayside (which is a rather large geographical area ranging from central to north-east Scotland) is being cautious.
I dont really even know what the symptoms of Corona virus are and haven't been thinking about it at all , all I can think about is I already have a virus in my heart and it isn't being diagnosed! (Pericarditis I am sure) I guess there are natural alternatives like vinegar , sodium bicarbonate and tea tree oil and oregano oil. Oregano oil is a good one , a few drops in water , I think its anti viral anti septic. I am going to try tumeric and spirulina aswell.