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Yasyass
Yasyass

With all the news about Coronavirus I was thinking it’s wise if everyone wipes the trolley handles down because so many germs

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MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star

Apparently the sales of Corona beer have been impacted by negative association.

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to MichaelJH

I've never had a corono beer, have I missed anything? 😂

Yasyass
Yasyass
in reply to Lezzers

Neither have I 😂

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Lezzers

It's a Mexican lager style beer - goes well with chilli!

Yasyass
Yasyass
in reply to MichaelJH

Well good job I don’t drink then

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Yasyass

Err, why? 🤔

Yasyass
Yasyass
in reply to MichaelJH

Religion and also I don’t think I would want to

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Yasyass

I was christened Catholic but lapsed. On the last census I said I was a Jedi! If I was still going I think I would take my own bottle of wine! 🍷

Powerful you have become, the dark side I sense in you

I used to drink it in the US, much better than Bud or Coors- which don't actually taste of anything!

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to SpiritoftheFloyd

They are usually so cold that any flavour is killed. I am a fan of the beers brewed by Tring and Farr breweries...

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to MichaelJH

Well now I'm gonna have to wait till lent is over to try it 😔

stevejb1810
stevejb1810
in reply to Lezzers

No! Often served in the bottle with a lime wedged in the top

Parminter
Parminter
in reply to Lezzers

Yes.

Prada47
Prada47
in reply to Lezzers

I bought a box of 12 X330 mls on Friday, special offer from a major supermarket £9 sorry non left..

Only in the US so I believe. I’m not sure what that says about our US cousins but I suspect its not going to complimentary

Hidden
Hidden
in reply to MichaelJH

Corona was a brand of pop in glass bottles with the neck patterned with dimples. There was 6d deposit on every bottle so worth while checking any old bottle us kids could find. The Corona man came round once a week and drove a double sided lorry with such a choice of pop never seen before, all displayed on the angled sides of the lorry - which was coloured yellow I believe. The only similar service that could be even remotely associated with Corona and beer was the Davenports, Beer at Home man - a totally different tipple

Handel
Handel
in reply to Hidden

Aaaah! I remember those days. Fizzy pop like no other! xxx

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Hidden

The sweet shop (more a front room) near school mainly stocked Tizer and Schweppes (lemonade), and no diet drinks for me (did they exist). You could get cigarettes in twos though! Cannot find a smoking emoji though!

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to MichaelJH

🚭

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Lezzers

I was after a happy smiling face having a puff! ⛅ This sunny person is vaping! (Well use your imagination).

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to MichaelJH

I know (said in the best Vanessa voice from Gavin & Stacey!) but that's the only one I could find and felt it had dual purposes!!

🤔 Not sure my imagination is that good though!

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to MichaelJH

You can always rely on Lezzers😊

Monty19718
Monty19718
in reply to Hidden

My mum used to order 2 lime and 2 orange bottles every week from the grocer...at Christmas we had red pop for a treat! No such thing as hyperactive kids or rotten teeth in those days....😁

Hidden
Hidden
in reply to Monty19718

Made me smile - and when you got a bottle of Lucozade in the cellophane wrapper, you knew your mum thought you were ill

tunybgur
tunybgur
in reply to MichaelJH

If you drink enough you don't care any more....

Prada47
Prada47
in reply to tunybgur

I did notice that Corona lager has gone down in ABV from 5 to 4.5 ! makes it cheaper I suppose for tax !!

yes - anything at 5 abv attracts a higher rate of alcohol tax

They should advertise it as a cure.

I take wipes with me when shopping and wipe down the trolley handles before I use it. Over-reacting? Nope lol

Yasyass
Yasyass
in reply to Gladwyn

I do the same anywhere I go take small pkt antiseptic wipes everyone touches those trolley handles when I lived abroad they have bacterial gel pumps at the door and when leave just like the hospitals have

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Yasyass

Where I lived in the US was the same, all the supermarkets and drug stores had wipes and gel at the doors, tills, and in the produce and meat departments as well. When I retired home to Britain I was surprised that isn't done here.

I carry a spray bottle filled with 70% isopropyl alcohol - I spray everything I am about to touch including handrails, door handles, and trolley grips. I also spray everything when I'm loading the car boot.

So far, so good.

Yasyass
Yasyass
in reply to Sunnie2day

I think we all need to do that these days to try help illnesses not spreading

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Yasyass

I completely agree! What saddens me is once the coronavirus threat passes too many people will stop being careful about hygiene in public places. I have a feeling you're like me and will continue being careful after this is all over - wouldn't it be lovely if everyone carried on being careful? It just seems to me if we all were careful all the time when out and about, fewer germs and bacteria would spread.

Seems a 'no-brainer' but then with my multiple heart conditions I always have to be careful so perhaps I'm a little sensitive to the issue.

GWP1952
GWP1952
in reply to Sunnie2day

You're not being to sensitive, just doing what is appropriate to your situation. I was just talking to my wife about cross-contact between people and we came to the conclusion that it is everywhere. It is virtually impossible to live in isolation. The situation I often refer to when discussing the subject is public toilets.... how to get out when you've washed your hands and you have just seen someone use the toilet and leave without washing. Arghh!

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to GWP1952

Thank-you for that:)

About leaving public conveniences, I either take the paper towel with me to the door and bin it if the bin is close enough for a throw, or spray the door handle with my isopropyl spray before touching it. Either way as soon as I'm out I spray my hands.

Hidden
Hidden
in reply to Sunnie2day

Hmmmmm My thought is that the level of cleanliness in supermarkets etc in the US reflects more on how dirty the population must be! Heard once that 98% of all dollar bills are impregnated with Coke, used as a tool to sniff the drug.

Its a pity the youth of today did not have the same cleanliness bug for that sure would have cut down on the unwanted pregnancies, promoting the use of prophylactics.

I just can't believe I have read such suggestions - is it 1st April? You must be very lonely shut in people in your own !clean" world. This is not reality!

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Hidden

Supermarkets are germ factories no matter which continent they're on (I live in the UK now, btw).

I've heard that about money - USD and GBP notes as well. Sad old world, eh?

Hidden
Hidden
in reply to Sunnie2day

I clearly remember you telling me where you lived and where you are now. :-)

Hidden
Hidden
in reply to Hidden

Whoever planned this world really thought about germs and gave us an immune system - the problem arose when people began to put themselves in a clean bubble thus the beginning of the destruction of our strongest tool to combat germs and disease - our natural immunity.

We have built upon that over the years, where further immunity can easily achieved through injections that promote the bodies responses to build up our immunity. Worked for polio and many other common diseases now rarely heard of. The problem only raises it's head when "educated people think they know best and decide not to take the advice of the health authority.

History has also taught us much, remember when people used to wear gloves, ladies especially. When you saw at the cinema and the fledgling TV about the man who is told off at a bus stop that "Coughs and sneezes spread diseases" I'd rather see a person use a handkerchief than an ineffective face mask, usually sold to stop dust particles from being breathed in.

And all we hear on the news is needless political point scoring over something that has, as yet not become a problem. Furthermore, had all the do gooders accepted the common sense t shutting borders and curtailing long haul flights and actually saying NO to the return of the Brits on the ship berthed in Japan with possible infectees, we would not now have the problem that the actual people we brought back to the UK from Japan, have the virus - well more fool us.

PLEASE LET COMMON SENSE PREVAIL - How long would it take for some to actually go to London - to the underground and perform their clean germ free regime at 0730 - would probably find themselves trampled under foot. Just to keep this in perspective, how many diseases have re appeared here in the UK, brought into the country by open borders? Who shouts about that? Not politically correct perhaps? So I guess that whipping up a storm over Corona virus makes sense when thousands of our old folk die each year from the flu virus.

Thats why I say "please keep ones perspective and remember just how rare this virus actually is"

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Hidden

Good common sense post, well said, thank-you.

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to Hidden

I am going to rely on Public Health England's view.

This new novel virus has the potential to disrupt the way we live our lives.

The Government is planning to bring in measures to contain the spread of the virus.

No government would make these plans without good cause

Unlike for flu there is at present no vaccine. Slowing the spread of the virus buys the scientists time to develop a vaccine.

gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus...

Hidden
Hidden
in reply to Milkfairy

There is only a "type" of flu virus and containment of such a virus as we are dealing with today begins with the curtailment of the mass movement of people. Two weeks ago Australia and Singapore banned all flights from China - we did not. I agree with the Public Health view - be prepared - however they also ask us to remain vigilant but to keep in mind how rare the virus is. Its all about remaining vigilant, not panic stricken and over the top.

I hear wonsie diving suits (referred to in the trade as a "bag") , full facemask (see Notting Hil - the film) and breathing aparatus - are very popular in Chelmsford at the moment, only problem is, if you get wind, you'll need an airfreshener, so its best to put some in anyway and a hankerchief in case you sneeze - although everyone around you would be aware of that since the bag would momentarily expand at the ankles - see getting wind - same result - nothings secret!

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to Hidden

Thank you for making me smile at the thought of the consequences of wearing the Chelmsford ' bag' and breathing apparatus.

This is an interesting article

thetimes.co.uk/article/were...

I will keep washing my hands, stay vigilant and keep calm and carry on !

Yes, my husband and I have taken the same approach. We recognise this could go pear-shaped but there isn't much more we can do other than 'Keep Clean and Carry On!'.

We went down to the next town over a bit ago and did a top-up. When I pulled out my spray bottle of 70% isopropyl alcohol to spray the trolley down I noticed an older woman and a young mum with a baby in a trolley watching.

The older lady nodded approvingly, the mum asked me what I was using and where I bought it.

The store (ASDA) was well stocked, doing brisk business - but everyone was keeping well away from one another, and there were only a few mums with young children. The shoppers were either singles with lists and on mobile consults with someone at home, or couples like my husband and I, also armed with lists. At Lidl, again, well stocked, busy but everyone keeping distance and no mums with children anywhere in the store.

Handel
Handel
in reply to Hidden

Well said xx

Pippa1234
Pippa1234
in reply to GWP1952

And what about the money we all handle???probably take some time to keep wiping your change!!!

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to Pippa1234

That's very true but equally a lot of people are cashless these days using only their bank cards...picking up bacteria when they key in their PIN numbers. No winners really unless sanitizer is used. 😱

dawnz
dawnz
in reply to Sunnie2day

like you on the health front, and I apply an antiseptic cream to my hands rubbed well in - the thought of so many people breathing over and touching all the goods on shelves. Anti bacterial in my bag and in the car. Have done this since endocarditis as the risk of getting it again is very high. This Covo19 is a virus so less able to barrier protect but worth doing anyway. Stay safe folks

kefalonia1
kefalonia1
in reply to dawnz

Hi, l have just been told to restart taking antibiotics before visiting the dentist by the hospital. The reason is my complex infective endocarditis three years ago, the Doctors worry about it reoccurring but it could drive me demented if l lived like that. Think l may install a chlorine dip like the swimming pools, l already smell of TCP most of the time if l get a scratch or bite on it goes to stop sepsis again. Take care, Sue.

dawnz
dawnz
in reply to kefalonia1

You are right, I have used a barrier cream when gardening or other likely germy places, but its not something I dwell on . Ten years later the wonderful docs and hopefully me sensibly but not histrionically looking after my health, I am up and pretty active. I have not bought a mask or any other props, just carrying on as normal. Enjoy the spring.

Handel
Handel
in reply to Sunnie2day

Me too. Never without a little bottle of anti bac and anti virus stuff.

My sister, whose local doctors surgery is the Surrey one where the chap turned up with what's now been found to be coronavirus, is fuming. Sad thing is, many people don't follow the safety instructions put in place to try and prevent a spread! xx

Pippa1234
Pippa1234
in reply to Handel

Goes with the territory

dunestar
dunestar
in reply to Handel

Yesterday evening there was a woman in Waitrose at South Mimms services who was sneezing repeatedly as she walked round the shop with no attempt to contain what she was spewing out. Grim.

where do you buy that. Dont you need a licence or something

cannot get any hand sanitisers here

I get my 70% isopropyl through Amazon Subscribe and Save - comes in a pack of three and you will find it under the beauty supplies (used in hairdressing salons). In a pinch I can find it at 99% at any brick and mortar computer store, no license needed.

The surgical spirit is on the shelf at every Boots and Lloyds I've been in including the ones in my small town and can be bought without a license.

Btw, both chemists in my town are restricting sales of hand sanitiser to two per family per day and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't start rationing the surgical spirit soon.

Thanks for prompt replywill investigate tomorrow 70 % strength is the is the problem it has to be that to kill the virus.

I had thought chemists sold ethanol but i think tnat is not easy to get.

Was told last week that stockists have nothing to supply shops. I think the problem came about because the first school that closed last week is very near here .

Try online at Amazon Subscribe and Save (best price), just use the search term isopropyl alcohol 70% once you get to the S&S shopping page. You might be able to order it outwith the S&S programme but it's nearly twice the price.

I don't know anything about ethanol but surgical spirit should still be on the shelves in your local chemist although you may have to go a few miles out of your local range as your area has had a school closed for a deep clean.

Best to you and yours. I've found out in the past few hours we have now at least one confirmed case up here in Scotland, and the patient is from my area. He and his family returned last week from an Italian holiday and despite claiming they were 'self-isolating', they threw a party for extended family and friends.

One of the extended family who went to the party then turned up to work the next day. Not clever, that, and we're hearing now there may be some 'measures' put in place up here to stop it spreading any farther than it already may have.

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to Sunnie2day

Are they bonkers or what? Makes me mad that they could be so selfish and stupid! I live in the area and don't want eejits bringing the virus to my doorstep. How many people will that selfish lot have infected I wonder..... grrrr 😱😱😱

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Gladwyn

I sent you a 'chat' message. I'm so upset about it all I can't sleep.

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to Sunnie2day

I've replied..😀

Sunnie , only just found your further e mail re surgical spirit and had today been trying to find places on internet and phone with no success except Boots who suggested surgical spirit but only one bottle left. Then phoned local chemist in village and now have two bottles . Thank you . I feel happier now. Still thinking about visit to hospital next week

your comments about the non " self- isolating" returnee from Italythrowing a party . They should be reported and named in press as example of thought less behaviour. Criminal behaviour in view of result to at least one person and probably more.

Trouble is people saying its only like the flu when it is far from it.

I took my surgical spirit to the supermarket as you had said---- and forgot to sterilise the handles. ! Intended but memory is not hat it was. But apparently Cost co have said today they will be doing that so maybe the other supermarkets will follow suit.

See what you have started. Well done.

I used to forget, too. It's a habit and you'll get into it soon:)

I saw several photos online today of Costco employees disinfecting trolley grips - good on 'em and I hope the others start doing the same. Good public relations if you ask me for any store with trolleys to do that, and the ones without auto-doors to disinfect the door handles, etc.

Hidden
Hidden
in reply to Jaybird19

Common side effects of ethanol include:

Intoxication.

Low blood pressure ( hypotension) with flushing.

Agitation.

Low blood sugar ( hypoglycemia).

Nausea.

Jaybird19
Jaybird19
in reply to Hidden

Says on bottle contains methyl salycilate and lowers blood pressure by dilatiing i blood vessels. I am not drinking it ! i how much of this is absorbed through skin. Also talk to doctor if on warfarin . I am on another blood thinner. There is always something to consider.

Sunnie 2 day uses it as a spray before touching so reduces use directly on hands?

Thanks

I use 70% isopropyl alcohol (IA), and occasionally surgical spirit if I'm out of iso.

Denatured ethanol is nothing to play with from what I understand but it's not in IA. Not sure if it's in surgical spirit - I gave my last bottle to my neighbour last night so I can't check the label.

If it's in the surgical spirit you've bought, read the label carefully and if you have any questions about using it as a spray disinfectant, check with your medical team especially with your medications.

I'm not a medical professional, and I'm not on Warfarin - but I do know 'alcohol based hand sanitisers' are advised for everyone concerned about disinfecting whilst out and about, and I've never read anything on the gel bottles saying not to be used by heart patients on Warfarin. I've just checked the label on my IA and it doesn't say anything about not using it if on any medications.

Agreed . All things to be aware of are put there to protect t the manufacturers so will just disregard them , You use them for spraying t on surfaces of things you are going to touch which is more sensible with this . Not bothered only replying to other posts The warfarin relates to the other chemical present in the alcohol. I'm not on warfarin but apixaban and so I'm ignoring that

T . Too many other things to worry about these days and my audio/ visual set- up has failed so can only watch tv at time it is on, not on time shifted as i usually do. Must sort that . Most is not of any interest to me. Trying to avoid crowds. Might even get some painting done and letters written or emailed. At least I'm lucky that i do not go out to work any more. That is a worry for some.

Again thanks for your help .

Alison_L
Alison_L
in reply to Yasyass

They couldn't do that here - they'd all be stolen within 6 hours! Or is that just me being a cynical Londoner?

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to Alison_L

As an EX Londoner, that's not cynical just realistic!!

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to Alison_L

Lol I agree with Lezzers 🤓

The saying preventing better than cure

Even our emojis cover up now 😷😷😷. 😂

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star

Okay this very left field

An anti malaria drug containing quinine is a possible treatment for the coronavirsus Covid 19 virus.

Anybody for a Gin & ( quinine containing )Tonic? 🤨

clinicaltrialsarena.com/new...

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Milkfairy

Think tonic with quinine might be better! Predictive text strikes again as a quine is a computer program which takes no input and produces a copy of its own source code as its only output!

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to MichaelJH

It's a fair cop & late too!

MichaelJH
MichaelJHHeart Star
in reply to Milkfairy

And it's goodnight from me and it's goodnight from... 😴

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to MichaelJH

trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet...

The definitive guide to hand washing😂

Love the ending - I've seen people do that very thing and have to re-wash.

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to Milkfairy

Brilliant

Janma123
Janma123
in reply to MichaelJH

A Quine in this neck of the woods is a girl! (North east Scotland Doric)

Prada47
Prada47
in reply to Janma123

and a Boy is a loone (spelling )

Janma123
Janma123
in reply to Prada47

Just a loon!

Now I can sign up to that approach to prevention! Lezzers already knew this and has been doing this for years 😂.

😢 That's not gonna help me...ive given it up for lent!! 😱

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to Lezzers

That is taking Lent seriously😂

You can still drink the Tonic without the gin

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to Milkfairy

I'll get to the "just tonic please" approach as a last resort!! 😂

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to Milkfairy

It tastes horrible though!!! 🙁

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to Gladwyn

I agree😊

I gave up using Microsoft Word for Lent and I’m using spreadsheets instead. It’s going to be excel lent!!! I’ve been waiting for an opportunity to use that one 😂

😂 😂 😂

I bet you've been nursing that one for weeks, just waiting for the chance to launch it on us! 😊

There aren’t many openings for dreadful religious festival based jokes!

Very true

😂 xxx

Sleeping early michael😴

The supermarket I shop at has wipes for the trolley. They have been available for a few years now. I'm in New Zealand.

Dickydon
Dickydon
in reply to Peep44

Very civilised country hey, that service would dip into the profits here of the big supermarket stores and they wouldn’t dream of being that resourceful in the UK

Peep44
Peep44
in reply to Dickydon

I'm not sure if the wipes are used in the supermarket chain across NZ or just in my city. They were bought in during a bad flu season and have been there since.

Dickydon
Dickydon
in reply to Peep44

One of the best products for hand/body sanitising is the pre-op liquid soap that surgeons use prior to their operating and is called Hibiscrub.

The anti-germ, bacteria components of this liquid soap last upto six hours, whereas the one’s you buy in the supermarkets and the hand gel stuff only lasts minutes and become totally ineffective within minutes. Several years ago, trials were conducted with Premier League football clubs in the UK that proved those hand gels really are useless and a waste of money.

Some hospitals give you Hibiscrub a week before a major operation and you soap yourself with it twice a day to build up a complete germ free barrier prior to your operation.

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to Dickydon

Thanks for the info Dickydon . I've just ordered a bottle . I hope I don't start barking 🐩🐩🐩🐩 🙏

Dickydon
Dickydon
in reply to Gladwyn

yes, Hibiscrub, can also be used on pets too. wooof woooof!

Hidden
Hidden
in reply to Peep44

It's a bit far to go for the weekly shop!

You are right! Thanks for the tip :it had not occurred to me that supermarket trolleys could represent a health hazard, but I will bear it in mind next time I grab one!

Dont forget to wipe your coins!!!

Why not just wear gloves?

Was just about to suggest this

Yasyass
Yasyass
in reply to Ianc2

The gloves may have touched door handles etc but wipes will kill germs

Ianc2
Ianc2
in reply to Yasyass

Use the loo, wash your hands, put your gloves on and off you go. At the end of day wash your gloves and use your spare pair next day.

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Ianc2

I foresee a run on Marigolds!

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to Sunnie2day

I wear special gloves for my Raynauds they are made with silver thread in them which has some antibacterial but alas no antiviral properties .

Keeps my hands warm too!

have you got a link to buy them, please .. or a brand name?

Milkfairy
MilkfairyHeart Star
in reply to MissMoto007

I use this company

raynaudsdisease.com/

🤗thank you very much🤗

Buy them in boxes at chemist

Dickydon
Dickydon
in reply to Milkfairy

Silver is one of the most effective chemical elements against viruses and bacteria. I make my own Colloidal Silver and always have a spray bottle handy. Silver was a main treatment long before antibiotics took over.

The old saying: “born with a silver spoon in your mouth” derived from doctors back in the 1700-1800’s by advising those who came down with a cold or flu like illnesses to suck on a silver spoon, because the silver then gets into the blood stream and cures the illness by killing the virus/bacteria; but generally, only the wealthy were able to afford silver cutlery.

I always have hand sanitizer in my bag. You need it after using public toilets which you leave by a further door. You see so many people not wash their hands, including those who have children with them!

I chew raw garlic and swear by it, nobody comes anywhere near you!

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to tunybgur

Definitely laughing out loud at that one!

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to Sunnie2day

Good idea. 😂 We could also wear strings of onions round our necks, I'm pretty sure no germs could get through that barrier! 🤔

Handel
Handel
in reply to tunybgur

😂 !! xxx

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to tunybgur

🥴😂🤣

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to tunybgur

😂😂😂😂😂

Can’t buy antiseptic wipes / spray / gel anywhere here now. I was about a week too slow to react.

Look for surgical spirit, pour it into a spray bottle and carry that bottle with you everywhere.

Even better, look for isopropyl alcohol (available at sky-rocketing prices on those well known online purchasing sites starting with an 'A' and 'E') at least 70% (90% is better but hard to find). It can also be found at many computer stores in the cleaning section but often at 99% solutions so you would have to dilute it down to 70-90% by cutting in distilled water 7-9 parts iso to one part water.

Lens wipes, btw, are not effective for anything but keeping your specs clean of dust.

Ianc2
Ianc2
in reply to DavidG1971

White vinegar has some amazing effects?

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Ianc2

Not good enough (never demonstrated to reliably disinfect ALL potential contaminates) and takes at least five minutes for the acidic liquid to try to kill virus and bacteria. Surgical spirit and isopropyl alcohol kill on contact, job done.

I love white distilled vinegar - I use it for all sorts including keeping the lime scale and detergent build-up out of my clothes washing machine - but in the time of coronavirus the only disinfectants I trust are surgical spirits and iso, with bleach for cleaning the sanitary-ware and kitchen surfaces.

ETA: I use Dettol laundry disinfectant for clothes washing on 90C wash for bedding, towels, kitchen linens, socks and 'smalls'.

Dickydon
Dickydon
in reply to Ianc2

Raw organic apple cider vinegar with the mother, the stringy bits, is the best with vinegar usage.

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Dickydon

I knew someone who used to have a shot of it every morning, then every night would soak his feet in a foot bath with it.

Swore by it.

Dickydon
Dickydon
in reply to Sunnie2day

only trouble is, the smell with it. I use it lots too and use it as a hair cleanser etc which leaves your hair soft n clean but u still need shampoo stuff to take the wee smell away.

Yasyass
Yasyass
in reply to DavidG1971

Online

I just wear leather gloves when I go out - always have done, and until I had my very first 'flu jab in 2018, I sailed through the season without problems....

obviously the gloves are kept separate in a basket for outside use only 😊

I know this will probably bring down a storm of wrath on my head, but I think that we have probably become too clean, using all sorts of antibacterial cleansers etc around our homes. Yes those of us who have complex medical conditions need to be extra careful but the majority of the population does not. Normal hygiene practices should be sufficient and we need to build up our natural immunity, otherwise we could end up being totally reliant on cleansers and having to live in bubbles because we have no immunity at all.

On a lighter note I am not surprised that in America Korona beer is confused with Corona virus. It is America after all and yes I well remember the Corona pop man. Dandelion and Burdock and Cream Soda, delicious!

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to gladliz

Mmmmm burdock and cream soda 😀😀😀😀

Perhaps the thing to take on board is, yes, there are a lot of people diagnosed with the coronavirus but is that because of the rigorous testing that is being carried out?

The vast majority of those tested have very few, or even no, symptoms and they probably wouldn't even know they had it but for this vigorous testing. The mortality rate is very low against the diagnosed rate.

Initially I was seriously worried to the point I actually dreamt I had it!! So that really had to stop, now I try to not take it too seriously but practice good hygiene, that's really all you can do.

Agreed.

The reports say that people over 60 are at risk, those with Type2 are at risk and those with heart problems are at risk - so on that level I'm well in to doo doo.

That said,hell will have to freeze over to prevent me from been in T2 at Manchester Airport 10 weeks today waiting for my flight to Greece!

In that case Russell, there's no hope for you and you might as well grab the bull by the horns and book a cruise as well 😂.

I can't even begin to tell you how jealous I am, always wanted to go to Greece 😔

Hi Lesley

It is a concern, but life is too short! I've not come all this way just to sit here looking out of the window. The carrot all along has been to get back to Greece. I might have had a week in Tenerife in November, but the real proof that I'm OK will be sitting on the harbour side in Parga with a (small) beer watching the sun go down over the castle.

Also booked for 2 weeks at the end of September. Got 10 weeks to try and polish up on my Greek!😊

Debating doing a Northern Lights cruise later in the year!

Russell

Yes, I can't say I'm not concerned but it really was taking over my life & life is far too short!! Do you mind if I ask that after having had your CA, are you more conscious of embracing & enjoying life to the full? Kevin takes the view that he's no longer scared of what may happen, he's more scared that he's not taken advantage of his second chance!!

Would love to see the northern lights but the cold affects him badly.

I agree with Kevin - I'm definitely not scared of what my happen. Been given a second chance, and spent a lot of 2019 making the changes I needed to make that will hopefully mean I'm here for a good while and in reasonable health, that done I now indeed to make the most of it.

I'd hate to end up, some time in the future, not being able to do anything, having not done anything while I was able to. I don't do the regrets thing, but that is something I would regret. So yes I am scared of not making the most of this chance (says the man who goes to watch Tranmere Rovers 😒)

I'm not a fan of the cold, but Northern Lights can do done on cruise from Tilbury, Newcastle, Southampton and Liverpool - nice warm ship where they give you blankets to go on deck to watch the lights

I'll send Kevin with you, there's absolutely no way I'm doing a cruise!! 🤮

The ships that do these trips are reasonably small - don't think I could cope with a ship with thousands on it. The Virgin cruise shop - Scarlet Lady was docked on the Pier Head in Liverpool last week - it's immense, literally blocked out the daylight!

I don't get those large ships, it's a bit like a small floating city!!

My trouble is sea sickness, & I don't care how often I'm told you don't know you're on the sea, I'm not taking that chance 😂

Arr right - sea sickness - not good, so you're probably better off avoiding any cruise!

Statex
Statex
in reply to Lezzers

I was on a small ship in a force 10 gale . Never again

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to Statex

That must have been absolutely terrifying!!! 😱😱😱😱😱

Lezzers
Lezzers
in reply to Statex

I've been on a small plane that was buffeted all over the place with strong winds. A lady & her daughter in the seats across the aisle were holding hands & praying together!! I'd take that over a ship on a calm sea any day!! How long did this gale go on for?

Statex
Statex
in reply to Lezzers

We boarded the ship at 8 pm and did not land until 7 the following morning. What made matters worse was that the ship had to wait outside the port because the sea was too rough to enter the harbour. I was 12 at the time.

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to Statex

Oh you poor soul .... so young , you must have felt your young life was about over. Thank heavens it wasn't!

Well if that report is correct there's no point in me getting up in the morning lol 👀👀👀😱😱😱😷

You have as much risk if not more from doorhandles. Wear gloves, do not touch your face after removing them without washing hands and put them in a hot wash.

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wear disposable gloves or ones you wash when you get home.

The most contaminated surface for germs is hand wash pump, its no1 top virus hotspot,use a bar of soap instead and wash hands for 30 seconds in hot water, every time u touch something outside, if u cannot get to bathroom antibac will do.

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to sindia3b

I use Dettol soap and thoroughly enjoy soaping my hands with the creamy,lovely smelling, lather in hot water for at least 4 mins . I know I needn't do it that long but I enjoy it lol 🙄

Dickydon
Dickydon
in reply to sindia3b

How does that work out one might think?

As a bar of soap is being handled in the hands and then left to dry out, yet the soap in the pump only comes in contact with anything once it’s been pumped out; and I only press the pump with the scaphoid area of my hand anyway. 🤔

Sunnie2day
Sunnie2day
in reply to Dickydon

I do that - and I also run my soapy hand over the pump and tap levers after I've used them letting the soap sit on the surfaces whilst scrubbing my hands and wrists and singing the Happy Birthday song twice through. Then I rinse the soap off me and the surfaces. I do this at home and when out and about.

Dickydon
Dickydon
in reply to Sunnie2day

Sunnie2day, sounds like the perfect day you have singing away washing your hands. 🙌

Good idea.

Dont forget the filthy money we use too!!!

This whole situation could have been avoided if the WHO stopped anyone coming out of or travelling to China. I personally believe this virus is here to stay due to present day movement of people around the world. For instance the flue it changes every year and each flu jab is not completely effective against the current years outbreak.

One person has been diagnosed with Corona Virus for the second time. Viruses tend to mutate once that happens probably more will die.

Gladwyn
Gladwyn
in reply to Statex

I'm sorry to say you are probably right sadly 😷😪🤒

I was supposed to meet with the practice manager at my GP surgery tomorrow morning to sign the forms for complete access to all my medical records (Scotland, slightly different rules up here for many things including seeing medical records) - just took a call from her the meeting is 'postponed for the foreseeable future'.

No worries, except the practice nurse was going to pop into the manager's office and give my chest a listen for pericardial friction rub to see if my acute pericarditis flare has finally eased off. It's been put off the past two weeks (I'd been going once a week) and now I've been told I'm to 'self-monitor' and only call if I feel symptoms are worsening.

I live in Tayside where the newly confirmed Scottish case is. No word yet on exactly where this person lives so every where in Tayside (which is a rather large geographical area ranging from central to north-east Scotland) is being cautious.

I am due a gall bladder operation on March 17th, I think it might be cancelled owing to this virus, I have been waiting for it since May 2019

I am due a gall bladder operation on March 17th, I think it might be cancelled owing to this virus, I have been waiting for it since May 2019

I was wondering if the thin plastic gloves at the Diesel Pump will work to protect your hands ??

Which trolley Yasyass,

Yasyass
Yasyass
in reply to Tudee

Shopping trolley why are there others

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I dont really even know what the symptoms of Corona virus are and haven't been thinking about it at all , all I can think about is I already have a virus in my heart and it isn't being diagnosed! (Pericarditis I am sure) I guess there are natural alternatives like vinegar , sodium bicarbonate and tea tree oil and oregano oil. Oregano oil is a good one , a few drops in water , I think its anti viral anti septic. I am going to try tumeric and spirulina aswell.

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