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Hi,

For the past couple of weeks I have been taking 100 mg Flecainide on a daily basis.

So far so good, no side effects to speak of and no episodes of PAF.

I am due to have my Covid booster next week, and I am concerned it will trigger (as previously) PAF.

Those of you who take Flecainide daily have you experienced PAF after a vaccine, or does Flecainide prevent?

Thanks again.

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Cliff_G

There was a thread here recently about whether the mRNA jab has provoked their AF, have a search back. Clearly some number have definitely had this experience (though some haven't), but if you've reacted before I would personally not consider another jab. Whether Flec helps, I am positive there is absolutely no data!

The absolute risk of catching C19 is small (not sure of the exact figure but the UK dashboard today says 2,622 admitted week ending 28 Sep - search "UKHSA data dashboard"). The benefit of the jab is also small. These figures are quantified by the "NNV", i.e. the number of people it us necessary to "vaccinate" in order to prevent ONE person having to go to hospital, or die. The UK Gov has issued these figures and if you search for "Appendix A: estimating the number needed to vaccinate to prevent a COVID-19 hospitalisation in autumn 2024 in England" you'll see that the NNV is pretty high. For age 65 with no risk (and AF is not in the list of risks), the NNV is 46,700 vaccinated to prevent one hospitalisation, which is a 0.0021% reduction in the risk of having to be hospitalised.

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Fight-the-good-fight in reply toCliff_G

Thanks Cliff_G

Despite being vaccinated I caught Covid in May this year and was in AFib for 3 days.

Jury is out for me if the vaccination prevented a more severe infection.

I do not have any co-morbidity issues, other than my age (66) I can see no reason to be called for a vaccination, other than the data you submitted above.

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Cliff_G in reply toFight-the-good-fight

Yes, it's really hard to find good honest reliable balanced information, and I include in the that official info. There's plenty of historical evidence, since way before Covid, that medical journals and research is not as independent and unbiased as it should be, as the key thing for drug companies is making money. I know someone who used to work at director level in two small pharmaceutical companies over the years, and the driving force was absolutely clear. Having said that, bringing a drug to market can take 10 to 15 years, so it's only fair that the company gets a fair return on a costly outlay, but that doesn't excuse fudging results.

I'm not anti-drug or anti-vax, since the properly-established and tested use of many of these is really worthwhile. But I have grave reservations about mRNA technology. Had I been offered a conventional vaccine for covid (mRNA is not such a thing), I'd be happy to be having it.

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Suesouth

last year covid jab caused myocarditis, so consultant advised not to have another one, I take 100mg of flecainide twice a day, along with Bisoprolol, rivaroxoban and others,! So no more jabs for me

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Qualipop in reply toSuesouth

My booster last year caused me to be in hospital for 4 days with very bad arrhythmia (Not AF). It started a few hours after the jab and the paramedics said they'd never seen anything like it. My heart rate was jumping from 75 to 180 and back down to 30. It settled without medication after3 days and I was advised not to have another booster. They were getting a LOT of people with the same thing

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secondtry

My vote: You heart has hardly had chance yet to settle after starting Flecainide (it took me 3 months on 200mgs) so the last thing it wants is another jolt. Also your concern will not help the position, so best to avoid the jab.

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JC162

Hi. I can only go on my personal experience. I take 200mg Flecainide, 200mg Verapamil plus apixiban each day. I had my flu jab one day then covid the following day. Apart from a sore arm, I've had no AF symptoms whatsoever. Cheers J

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Tapanac

unfortunately I have had 4 covid boosters but the last two set off my afib/tachycardia very badly for 5-6 weeks then I went into heart failure on the last one

When we were invited by our surgery to have the flu snd covid boosters this time as I now have had a pacemaker I went with a fairly open mind, but when the doctor opened my notes she said perhaps leave it this time as it was a different strain snd different vaccine snd wasn’t certain of outcomes

I had more or less decided I didn’t want any more boosters any way (despite the aforesaid open mind) because again despite all my meds including flecainide apixaban bisoprolol diuretics thyroxine etc they didn’t protect me from the boosters

Good luck in whatever you decide we are all different A nurse sister friend told me there are far fewer people taking the covid jab now and even our niece who works in a GP surgery hasn’t taken it

Ps….i did have the flu jab and coincidence or not despite not going anyware I now have a chest infection bronchitis flu and pneumonia!!!!!! Antibiotics and steroids and last night doctor said if these don’t work within a couple of days Iveoukd have to call 999 despite my reluctance to do so

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Jumper42

I did a lot of thinking about whether to have yet another Covid vaccination.

I am age 66 and have PAF and take Flecainide 50 mg BD I have been on this now for 18 months so far with good effect.

I was vaccinated 9 days ago - Flu in one arm and Covid in the other .

Both arms ached together with aching ankles, knees and hips for 24 hour but that was all 😊

I was very apprehensive but my heart behaved itself and if the vaccination 💉 helps prevent me from 10 days in bed feeing absolutely terrible and struggling to even get up to shower then it has been worth it .

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Fight-the-good-fight in reply toJumper42

Thanks Juniper, I had a flu vaccination prior to taking Flecainide.

I suffered AF for 3 days, I was also very sick.

Never, ever had a reaction in the past.

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Ppiman

It seems it does trigger AF in a very few cases. It's entirely possible that your AF might have been triggered by other associated things. In my case, I had nothing happen but an aching arm - far less than with the flu jab. On the other hand, I can self-trigger palpitations and sometimes even AF merely by stretching when it's being sensitive that way, so the slight tension attached to having the jab or whatever might be the cause.

Recent reports of people with the latest strain of covid have been not so pleasant to read. Clearly the illness is not as potent as before the vaccinations and natural immunity came to be a part of the vast majority of people, but I have read reports of its causing several weeks of poor health, and then there's always the risk of "long covid", which is true nasty for a few.

If you have been offered a booster for health reasons, and especially if you haven't had one before, or haven't had covid itself, then I would be ignoring any of the the social media whirl of negativity that I still see daily online.

Steve

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Fight-the-good-fight in reply toPpiman

Hi Steve,

I contracted a heavy bout of Covid in May this year. It triggered AF (which lasted 3 days).

In the past, I have had covid and flu vaccinations without too many side effects.

I had a flu vaccination a few weeks ago and suffered AF for a few days, in addition I was vomiting?

Difficult one for me….

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Ppiman in reply toFight-the-good-fight

It depends how symptomatic your AF is - but, yes. If you've had covid recently, you are - as far as I know - as protected from severe covid as you can be. The benefits of the booster are unclear after the first two and an added infection boosts the immunity further. That is why it is recommended only for older people deemed to be at most risk. If you are generally a well person who fights off viruses well, I would think I would be in a quandary.

Steve

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Responsable in reply toPpiman

Hi! Have tried to send a PM, but seem to be blocked for some reason (have written nasty comments on COV-jab, lol!). P.

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Fight-the-good-fight in reply toPpiman

I can only think I am considered vulnerable because of Crohn’s disease. That said, after extensive surgery I have remained in remission for the last 13 years.

I consider myself to be (AF aside) a fit and healthy 66 year old…

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Ppiman in reply toFight-the-good-fight

I think that would be the reason. Two friends have Crohn's with one up and down and the other, after an op, seemingly cured. It's good to read that your op has been so successful. My wife was in her 20's when she was diagnosed with an autoimmune illness but luckily that all-but disappeared on its own. It stays on her medical record, however, and that is why she is offered the booster, despite being under 70. Mine is because I am now over 70 or maybe because of the AF? This winter's booster is much more restricted to older people and those deemed at risk of hospitalisation with covid, I have read.

Steve

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Vonnegut

No AF after covid jab but I had an allergic reaction in my arm to the one before last and the muscle is still painful so I had the last one in my leg! And when I did test positive for covid for 14 days, I felt no different from usual!! How different we all are!

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