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Sooo empty parliament, that it is horrible! All members that have left the parliament, refusing to hear the truth, have obviously been payed and are complicities in this crime against humanity!
Steve112 in reply to
The question is valid it’s not a discussion about being Pro or Anti anything..the worldwide figures are disturbing at best,and anyone trying to bring the subject to the table is immediately dismissed as a troublemaker.
Sadly the MP gives the impression of not really understanding what he's saying.It might be true there are no numbers here so I have no view and it's always dangerous to infer from personal experience but i've never met or heard of anyone who had a friend or relative who 'just died' and no one knew why.
My daughter knew a young lad who died the day after having his AZ covid vaccine. Does anyone talk about these deaths -NO.
I think the lesson I took away from the vaccination programme is that medical successes are always seen from a macro level. So - successful vaccine programme, but some people suffer or worse. Same with HPV vaccination too, huge decrease in cervical cancer figures, but some bad outcomes at vaccination stage. It also exposed that things we have done for years had/have an even greater risk - the contraceptive pill is the obvious one which we've all turned a blind eye to, the latter probably because men don't take the pill.
Lots of people die from all kinds of vaccines, even during tiny vaccination programmes. It's amazing what one can do with statistics. I remember attending a journalism training course where one if the exercises was to turn the hypothesis of the story on its head through use of statistics. We did the same on my radio training course by carefully editing audio tape to get the interviewee to appear to say something completely different. Great fun until you persuade people to follow a dangerous course. We were just playing, of course.
in reply to JK5AEO
Have you even looked at the VAERS reporting system?.. it started 30 years ago.. one look at the chart for the entire lifespan of it history graph shows a huge uptick in deaths and injury after 2020.. these are reports of deaths which outstrip the previous 27 years by a huge margin.. which is quite scary when they admit only 1% are ever submitted.. why would the CDC lie about something they alone control?… geez!!!
I am not surprised that Andrew Brigden is speaking to an empty Parliament. Everybody wants to be associated with success but failure is an orphan. The political response to Covid was an absolute shambles. There was a virtual abdigation of statesmanship and responsibilty by all parties. Sadly the fiasco continues.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I'm not a statistician and no expert. But I'm apoplectic by the lack of interest shown by our so-called Honorable Members. We need a full drains up investigation into this. Otherwise, I feel people, like me, will stop being vaccinated, not just against Covid but for other conditions as well.
We're all free to do as we choose I had 3 vaccines with bad side effects I wont be having anymore that speech totally resignated with me what was said can't be a coincidence that young people are having heart issues theres got to be more to it than we are told
As another one who has had ill effects on the heart which started immediately after a booster that speech worries me massively;the lack of transparency, hiding figures of a frightening increase in excess deaths , the lack of proper safety testing and the risk of contamination during manufacture are things every one should be aware of and which should be immediately investigated. I understand the climate of fear in which the vaccines were rushed out - that worried me hugely at the time but to allow it to continue without further testing is criminal.
Hmmmm, let's see. Should I trust the career politician or the rigorously trained physician for advice on health issues? Your call.....I guess.
JimF
Not about trust, it’s about numbers and science - all of which is way above my or your pay grade. HOWEVER - This is a call for investigation over dogma. I’m not a fan of the man himself but look at the stats for yourself and it does pose questions. Many ‘rigorously trained physicians’ support this call including many specialists who dare not speak out for fear of career sabotage. You cannot argue against the numbers, which is the point, as these were prepared by the ONS.
It seems as though these sorts of numbers are being repeated in US, and Europe whose populations were heavily vaccinated yet those countries with low vaccination rates do not have this unexplained difference yet the Silence is indeed Deafening?
The data sets are available to download from the ONS and the point being made is there is nobody investigating so some are asking why not - if we really are ‘following the science’.
in reply to frazeej
Actually Andrew Bridgen has a degree in biochemistry.. and knows more than most of the politicians on human health issues..these MO’s that didn’t bother to attend this important debate should be withdrawn from the house… non of them seem to know what they are talking about....but somehow that’s okay …furthermore some of the top members of the Conservative Party have shares in black rock who are heavily involved with the pharmaceutical industry.. so vested interest at play here..
Mr Bridgen has also taken two Covid vaccines as has his wife.. he is a voice in the wilderness that the truth and data does not add up.. and if you believe they do.. you need to retake your maths o level… data now coming in shows this program to inject the planet has caused more harm than good… and it’s NOT Andrew Bridgend ‘s fault… I think this man is worth the other 649 M.P.’s put together.
About 20 million lives were saved by the COVID vaccine in its first year, Imperial College London research published in June last year found.
Hi TerrySorry to say that I do not think that figure is credible. Imperial college exaggerate both the risks for infection and the benefits of vaccination. I do not think there is any evidence of a net saving of life. I could go on but I will desist. We could all write a book upon this chapter in our history. Hopefully time and hindsight will eventually give us a much clearer picture of the appropriateness of our collective response.
Regards.
Hi Popepaul. No one has to have a vaccination. I debated whether to reply originally because of the Forum's rules, but I have lost count of the times this subject has been raised under different guises in an AF forum. A reason to learn from the past is to prepare for the future. It is likely that there will be another pandemic. The World should be working together on future vaccinations now through organisations like CEPI . I shall not be commenting on this subject again. TerryW
My nurse friend lost her job because she didn’t want to take it. I think that’s being forced- just saying
The modelling done by Ferguson &co at Imperial grossly exaggerated the risks of Covid as they did for the other " menaces" they modelled in the past- BSE , swine flu etc. God knows why anybody takes any notice .
in reply to terryw
You believe all this tripe do you?
MHRA stopped recording deaths from Covid in May 2021.. I was checking the dates very carefully in worldometer… the numbers were embarrassing because it was rising in the summer months right after jab number two.. now we can’t have people thinkingvthe jabs are harming people can we.. his speech includes Australia’s figures.. only 1,000 cases of Covid with 95% jabbed…yet now 17,000 dead… mostly young .. same goes for NZ… same for Israel.
terryw in reply to
No!
You do realize that there are over 3 MILLION deaths worldwide each and every year, related to Alcohol don’t you? Why are people not up in arms about that???
I don’t think you can compare the two. While my opinion on the intentions of those who push the vaccine is still up for debate you cannot compare something like alcohol, where the consumption of which is a completely free choice and everyone is aware of the dangers and willingly take them onboard, to something that was and still is heavily pushed upon us using fear tactics. I’m not saying necessarily that there wasn’t a need for it. I think that’s still up for debate. But I personally think that need has long diminished now.
They are apples and oranges that you’re comparing.
It’s absolute rubbish to say the vaccine is heavily pushed on us using fear tactics.
It’s up to the individual to decide, most people I know have had the vaccine with no side effects and have been very happy and grateful to have it.
Also you really have no idea about alcohol and addiction, there are millions of alcoholics on this country alone causing misery to themselves and their families and it’s not easy for addicts to just stop and as Mortjulien says millions die each year from alcohol related deaths. To say everyone is aware of the dangers of Alcohol is wrong, why would so many end up killing themselves and living in misery?
You’ve just said why, because they’re addicted, you answered your own question. Just because they’re addicted it doesn’t mean they’re not aware of the dangers, of course they are. Don’t tell me what I do and don’t know about addiction. I have family members and friends that are addicts. Now tell me how this relates to the topic of discussion?
Can you explain to me exactly why you had the vaccine? I’ve had it too by the way so don’t come at me with any of the anti vax nonsense.
Also no one is saying drug and alcohol addiction shouldn’t be looked into, of course it should. It’s a major problem worldwide but the topic being discussed needs looking into as well. They are not mutually exclusive .
The only time it was pushed is if you wanted or had to travel to country that demanded vaccination before entry, then there was no choice,
Come on you cant honestly believe that? I’m not even saying it was literally forced upon us. I’m saying it was implied that if you didn’t have the vaccine then you were in serious trouble of contracting covid and becoming seriously ill. If this wasn’t enough to convince you then the fact it would supposedly protect the spread and protect those you love would have probably made a person go for it. This is what I mean by fear tactics. Anyone who had it was afraid of something happening either to themselves, others or both. Either that or they were just blindly compliant which Is basically the only other alternative. This is all I’m saying.
The fact that it has come out since that it neither protects the spread or protects you or your loved ones from getting it should be something that is heavily looked into as well.
Well, that was my personal experience in South Africa where I live. Nobody was forced to have it, it was recommended but millions opted not have it for various reasons. I've had 3 ,the last one nearly 2 years ago and I have decided that is enough for the time being - most people have forgotten all about it!
Exactly. So you and I are in the same boat then. I had 2 but soon realised they were virtually pointless for me personally. I’ve had covid 4 times. First was the worst but still nothing terrible. Subsequent bouts have been less and less potent. Last one was basically a headache and slight cough. Probably had it since as well but haven’t tested for it for a long time now. I think natural immunity is much better in my opinion. Seems like we were made to think it was a lot worse than it was. I don’t know anyone that even thinks about it anymore apart from the people on this site and the occasional very old age customer who are frightened to even leave their house.
I agree with you. They pushed this on us and here in the US., some work places you would lose your job if you didn't accept the poison. And they made out ANY who refused it to look stupid or ignorant. IF this so called vaccine were really any good, most would get it to save a hassle, but because they pushed so hard to make us take it, you have to wonder why. I've written in this forum b4 that I lost a nephew (aged 42) to the "vaccine, jab#2", a brother-in-law had brain swelling after jab #2. My sister who almost never leaves her house for fear of Covid had shingles recur. she had it 35 years ago. Some medical pros say that the vaccine weakens your immune system such that old infections / cancers (yes cancers) that were suppressed by the immune system can no longer do so which is why so many others are dying of cancer and other diseases. This of course is not tracked and added to the "standard" vaccine injury of hear and vascular issues.
Not true for many countries. I find it very surprising that on this forum which is an international one so many people seem fixated on what is happening in their own country only . Many European countries had mandates of one sort or another. As did USA , Canada and Australia. Also there was absolutely no informed consent in any country . People were told outright lies about how the vaccine worked and told it would stop transmission. The truth was that it had never been tested in the clinical trials for stopping transmission so the answer to that should have been "don't know". Even after in the summer of 2021 when the health authorities knew it wasn't stopping transmission they maintained this fiction.
I suppose really one can only report on personal experience, but it does give a picture of the global situation albeit not entirely accurate.
You obviously do not live in a country where you were severely restricted in your participation in society unless you were vaccinated.
My friend is a teacher in NYC and she was forced to have it or lose her job. A pregnant teacher also had to have it and was devastated. Neither could afford to give up their jobs. New York was a lot stricter than the UK with masking etc.
I was in a well known hospital just as Matt Hancock announced he was in favour of mandatory vaccination for NHS staff and they were all up in arms about it. I spoke with the several staff who spoke on behalf of the wider team and said most staff hasn’t had it at that point. One nurse said she had the flu vaccine for the first time just so she wouldn’t appear to be anti-vax. One nurse said she had it but regretted it - not because of a vaccine injury but because she felt she caved too soon and knew it had no benefit to herself or others, only risk.
Here in France health workers who refused the vaccine were suspended with no pay or benefits. Even now after theoretically being allowed back they are encountering difficulties. In July 21 the government said everybody over 12 should be vaccinated. In order to access any place that needed a passe sanitaire you had to present a certificate of vaccination or a negative test. At first these were free (you had to get them done at the chemist or a blood test lab) and lasted 72 hours. Then it was cut to 24hrs and you had to pay for them. Then in Jan22 it was changed to passe vaccinale. Vaccination or stay at home! Even some commercial centres tried to impose passes stopping people using supermarkets but the courts put a stop to that. It was lifted in the March - not because of any real change of circumstances but because the presidential election was looming .
Wow! I don’t know anybody living in France and didn’t realise it was so bad. I saw a lot of protests happening but they weren’t being shown on mainstream media.
Looking back on it all, how did it come to this level? And for those still living in fear, I would think of the old flying analogy. If the air hostess looks frightened, it’s time to be frightened. If at the height of the pandemic, they were all partying and ignoring their self-imposed rules with no dear then……
Exactly. In the 2017 election campaign it was said that Macron was the candidate of Pharma . People wonder how much dosh he got from Pfizer for his 2022 campaign. I had the Janssen vaccine which was a one shot job. Mainly out of cowardice- I had to go for a hip replacement op in Sept 21 and I had read that unvaccinated people were being treated badly by doctors and nurses in some hospitals. Six weeks later I got a letter saying that it was inadequate and to get another jab ASAP preferably Pfizer . Soon after Janssen was stopped altogether. All boosters were mRNA. I had had my op by then so I declined. As a result my passe vaccinale became null in Dec and we were unable to eat out or even go for a coffee till the following March. Luckily we don't go to the cinema or theatre as they would have been out too.
During the lockdowns here when all the restaurants were closed there were reports of clandestine restaurants opening in Paris and other big cities for pols and other bigwigs.
I can completely believe that this happened. I’m surprised people were not more reactive to the fact that our children were locked away unable to mix yet elite sports were being played, movies were being filmed, reality stars flying around with masked staff yet not wearing anything themselves. I still see this on tv now.
When it came to the vaccine roll out for my age group, I waited until I could speak to my cardiologist despite at the age of 42 (at the time) being deemed vulnerable. My cardiologist was very evasive and didn’t want to give me the answer which was clearly don’t have it. He concluded the appointment by saying “And don’t worry, you don’t need to be vaccinated to have this procedure”.
I’ve been quite lucky that my doctors at my hospital have all seemed incredibly supportive of my decision. Behind closed doors, masked would be removed by doctors and even my dentist. It just seemed to be a pantomime….
Despite dodging any side effects by not taking any vaccines, I was almost died from taking a well known anti-arrhythmia drug which works amazingly well for most people but reinforces my belief that NOBODY should forced/shamed/bullied into taking something against their will. One size does not fit all and people seem happy with this in every other respect except for the vaccine. It’s like every adverse reaction is shut down and “I had 14 -and I’m fine”. That’s great for the people who have no side effects but there has to be open discussion for the ones who have experienced side effects and respect for the people who chose not to have due to fear of the unknown side effects.
Honestly, if the government had been like “Here’s the vaccine for those who want it”, I’d have been more inclined to take it but their whole approach was strange from the outset.
Masking was strictly enforced here with some places fining people 135 € for not wearing masks in the street! Funnily my cardiologist never wore a mask for consultations.
Well said I’m good friends with a guy who actually died but was brought back by medics he now goes to AA who he claims have saved his life. Sometimes he cries when we’re talking when he Re lives the darkest days of his life living on the streets he now wants to help others I’m so proud of him but when I say that to him he says he couldn’t have done it without finding God at his AS meetings
in reply to JudiHalf
Most people in public service were faced with a difficult choice.. get the shot.. or get to the job centre to find another job..
That is coercion …
coercion
/kəʊˈəːʃn/
noun
the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
Coercion is against the Nuremberg code..
using a method that takes away patient autonomy to freely choose what is good for their own body without loss of income or threat.. now tell me why you think otherwise.
Sorry mort but thats not a great comparison, we arent coerced into drinking alcohol.
We aren’t coerced into having the vaccine either.
Some of us were. Vast numbers of people in countries other than the UK were forced to have the vaccine or lose their jobs which in countries where there are poor/ no unemployment benefits would have meant losing their homes and not being able to feed their families. Not everybody who contributes to this forum lives in the UK.
We certainly were coerced into having it. Those who worked in hospitals lost their jobs if they didn't have the Covid vaccination. I was led to believe there would be a chance of dying if I didn't have it, also that it would help stop the spread of Covid.
in reply to Mortjulien
Because no one is standing over those who drink pouring booze into them.. they freely choose to use alcohol with their own money .. not once or twice.. but repeatedly .. having someone tell you you got to take a jab or lose you job is something entirely different.. how anyone could think they are the same.. is rather strange.
None of this has anything whatsoever to do with Atrial Fibrillation.
Yes it does. The mRNA vaccines effect the heart. Lots of people on this forum have reported afib starting or worsening after the jabs.
Yes, it does because the Covid jab is triggering AF in people, it did to me when I had the jabs.
My AF was triggered by an URTI. Is that usual do you know?
I'm sorry I don't.
in reply to momist
Actually alcoholics will in some cases end up with Afib.. just saying.
I've noticed a lot more stories to the effect....young healthy people 16-50 years old dying suddenly. Recent actuarial insurance data also reflects an uptick of 27-42% mortality in that same group since the roll out of the Covid Vaccine. The anti-vaxxers can now say it's not a conspiracy theory if it comes true.
Whatever your beliefs about this are, if you have any sort of auto immune diseases, such as Hashimoto’s, diabetes, celiac, lupus, etc. hopefully you have a knowledgeable GP. After I took the first two at the beginning, I have since suffered from a lot of neuropathy and other side effects. I did not take any boosters and my doctor agrees. Because it hypes up the immune system, for people with autoimmune disease, it can trigger a lot of symptoms and new problems. Be well.
YOU SAY ‘WORLD EXCESS DEATHS’ - but my view is that excessive deaths are only at their beginning.
We have numerous military conflicts around the globe which (apart from killing people there) are also disrupting or destroying the global supply chain resulting in shortages of many staple food materials along with increased prices. Then of course, we have the excess pollution causing excess deaths whilst the various pandemics (Covid etc) all throwing their tuppence worth in.
We also need to consider the impact that climate change will happen. Heatwaves, flooding, volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes etc - all of these things assist with the reduction on crops and destruction of property and infrastructure.
Just sad to imagine what my children and grand children will have to live through 🤷♂️😢
Is Andrew Bridgen the anti-vax guy who got sacked?
in reply to JK5AEO
No he is a man with a biochemical degree who became an MP and took two of the vaccines .. as did his children… he is not an antivaxxer .. but is someone who understands data that shows something has gone very wrong... He got cancelled because he was right over target and the press twisted something he said out of context.. the world needs Politicians like him.. because he cares more about others than he cares about himself.. trouble is too many people believe the rubbish fed to them from MSM.
JK5AEO in reply to
Oh, I read about a Tory MP who'd compared the vaccination programme to the Holocaust and got chucked out of the party. I have a lot of Jewish friends and colleagues who were quite upset by the assertion and who thought he was a bit of a looney. You must be talking about another Tory MP with a similar name. Thanks for the information, it's an interesting story.
No - it's the same man. But he did not compare the vaccination program with the Holocaust. This is what Jomico is referring to with the press twisting his words out of context in order to blacken him.
in reply to Auriculaire
Thankyou .. truth is not so hard to spit out.. is it?
Auriculaire in reply to
Anybody who read Brigden's actual words rather than the spin the press was putting on them would have seen they were just trying to shoot the messenger.
in reply to Auriculaire
Yes I did read both transcripts.. the British press often clip out choice parts and join them into new sentences.. most people do not realise the same happens on video clips…it’s called editing to make the original meaning morph into something more provocative .The press are not censored only the common folk.
JK5AEO in reply to
Well, in the old days we edited on tape, which limited what was possible, but digital editing can be very sophisticated. In oral history we do not edit material - it is conserved raw so that it can be fully interpreted in the future. Context is everything in my view - unfortunately, campaigners on both sides will present material in a way that supports their own hypothesis. My journalism training in the past few years has emphasised 'total mistrust until you can prove otherwise', which makes me rather sad - to live in a world of total mistrust seems unhealthy, and I think most people on this forum understand and accept the direct link between mental and physical health.
Really. I read this on many trusted sources, and spoke to many colleagues in different newsrooms and archives. They can't all be part of the same conspiracy, surely? That would be far too scary and Hollywood/Kafka.
What do you call trusted sources?
Generally, people I know personally who are not paid lobbyists, or who write for publications or broadcasters who are independently funded. I usually try to research primary sources rather than reportage, so I don't use social media, and I usually carry out document research in archives. This is a much slower method than instant Internet research, but I find it more reliable.
in reply to Auriculaire
Anyone who says trust the science or trust me I am a doctor … is hiding another word that begins with T… truth!
The bbc never use the word truth .. but the word trust is often spoken.
Four members of my immediate family dead since 2022… all got the shot... I am the only one who didn’t get the safe and effective!And it makes me angry that people who run platforms do not want to admit something is happening to enable discussion …open debate needs to start… science works that way… censorship stops everything from moving forward… prevents discovery and change.
JK5AEO in reply to
Gosh, that's tough luck. You must have an unusual familial predisposition to vaccines. How are you with the flu, pneumonia or measles vaccines? Any similar misfortunes in the wider family?
in reply to JK5AEO
Well two were injected in France… Step dad got a fast growing tumour with those white strands .. (yes they really happen in about 5% like winning a bad lottery)Mum was in a retraite and received a huge 3rd shot along with 60 other patients 4 others died in the same week in the adjoining rooms…got pictures of all the purple blobs that suddenly appeared all over her body.. her second shot she git a massive PE and I resuscitated her … not happy with France..my younger brother got cancer after his…my own Father died in a care home shortly after his first shot and midazolam.. so not a great experience…two urns were kept in storage just in case anybody caught the Covid virus then the urns got “lost” …I have an older brother who only got one shot as did his wife… he decided if the first didn’t work .. why should anymore?… as for vaccines yes I had
All my childhood stuff and bcg.. which are egg based grown types.. but if you think I am going to agree to take something tested on mice who do not have the same immune system as humans.. after seeing what’s happen to my family think again.
Watch my reply get “removed” because we cannot allow truth to be told when money needs to be made…the company who got EUA are facing some serious issues in Canada and America.. and as usual.. UK will fall in line with the latest facts at some point.
JK5AEO in reply to
I have heard that healthcare in France is a little unreliable.
in reply to JK5AEO
Actually the surgeons and doctors are high calibre…the main issue is you need health care cover.. it’s about 1500 euro per person per year.. so a family of four needs to pay 6000 a year minimum-whether they use the system or not….. the government and local Marie’s are not run by efficiency.. but by bureaucracy… three people for each part of each process..then there are the taxes… everything is milked to the max.
JK5AEO in reply to
I heard a dreadful story from a colleague in Normandy who had an horrendous experience with a dentist. It sounded like dental surgery there is barely regulated, not that there is much dentistry available in the UK nowadays!
It's a damn sight more reliable than in the UK. I can get to see my GP in person at very short notice if there is something actually wrong with me and in 3 weeks if all I need is a prescription renewal. I can ring up my cardiologist's secretary myself and get an appointment. If I go through my GP I can get it even quicker. When I had my first attack of afib I was taken to our local hospital in an ambulance, treated within an hour and kept in cardiac ward until my INR was within range. I have had one major op in the UK and three here in France. The hysterectomy was carried out at the QE in Birmingham and the nursing care was appalling . The follow up care minimal. By contrast for all three ops here I had excellent care. I will not visit the UK any more as I am frightened of falling ill there.
I didn't realise that the moderators allowed us to post third-party video material on here. I might upload my podcast and see if I get away with it.
Think this thread will self implode shortly.. some people can not face the truth… but thanks for trying to inform… this forum is really about helping others find solution and share common ground…and I know you know that… best wishes.
JK5AEO in reply to
I am interested in truth as a concept. I've sometimes had the opportunity to interview groups of people who were in the same place at the same time, only to find their individual testimony contradicts the collective narrative. It makes documenting history very difficult, which is why I believe in the practice of recording oral history. Recording and conserving individual eyewitness testimony is the only way to allow historians to write the narrative with any degree of accuracy. Of course, journalists write the first draft of history. Fortunately, the British Library has developed the Covid Lives project.
I have been contacted by the Admin team who have asked me to remove the link to the recent debacle in Parliament..
I will comply and leave you to make your own conclusions but the question remains valid..
in reply to Steve112
Not surprised at all.. everyone seems to be part of the Gatekeepers club.. it is all about to erupt.. because each separate country has realised that dna fragments got left in the big V.. god help the idiots who helped sell this toxin into healthy people.. god help them.
Maybe the fact the post is still up is a step in the right direction at least
I trust my doctors. I see 3 of them very regularly. They’re smart, highly educated individuals who are experienced in reading research and have access to new and emerging medical research as part of their normal day to day jobs. They STILL advocate for vaccines of all types.
The internet has seen the emergence of not only the keyboard warrior, the social media bully, and the serial protestor, but the research scientist who lacks any credential, experience and knowledge. It’s frightening to think what will happen when the next pandemic hits - and it will hit.
Of course it will. Because some full of hubris research scientists will allow it to leak out of a lab somewhere like SARS COV2 did.
NO. All guilty and they know it. Love and respect for Andew Bridgen xx
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