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Hi Tracy
Whilst I totally agree with your sentiment regarding the NHS I feel I must query your opening statement that: ā AF is a leading cause of strokeā. Could you advise what data this statement is based on, please? I had previously thought that high blood pressure was the leading cause of stroke.
My understanding is that the chance of me having a stroke as an AF sufferer is increased if I have any of the risk factors as outlined in the CHA2DS2-VASc risk calculator, rather than having AF alone . I further understand that the risk of me having a stroke is between 1 -20% depending on the number of risk factors I may have but it would seem, if your statement is correct, I have got that wrong.
I am not, for a minute, disputing the increased stroke risk that AF brings with it, nor the fact that a stroke caused by AF is often more devastating than strokes from other causes. However, I am concerned that those of us of a younger age with AF alone and no other risk factors and therefore deemed not to require anticoagulation at this stage may be alarmed by your rather sweeping statement.
I look forward to hearing from you,
Best regards, TC
Tracy said, afib "is a leading cause of stroke" which is correct. But high blood pressure is THE leading cause of stroke, so you are correct 
If you have afib, your stroke risk may or may not be increased over the rest of the population, depending on both the ever evolving CHA2DS2-VASc and other factors not yet in the CHADS calculation, such as frequency of episodes, fitness level and how well you might have controlled risk factors such as blood sugar and the big one again, blood pressure.
nhlbi.nih.gov/health/stroke...
Jim
Hi Jim
Thanks for the link which is interesting to see. However, I note that AF is lumped in with cardiovascular disease, rather than being classed as a major cause of stroke in its own right, so I would beg to differ with you on your assertion that AF alone is a leading cause of stroke, sorryš
As you say in your second para, stroke risk āmay or may not be increasedā¦..ā etc. Thatās my point really, I would suggest it isnāt as black and white as Tracyās statement would appear to imply.
TC
This (see below) suggests afib causes 1 in 7 strokes. To me that IS a leading cause of stroke But as mentioned, not THE leading cause. But I think more pertinent to you (or all of us) is what is OUR individual risk of stroke. And that can be computed using the current CHADS score, as well as some of the other things mentioned previously.
webmd.com/heart-disease/atr...
Jim
I agree Jim , if the 1 in 7 figure is correct and is read as meaning AF by itself being the sole cause but is that what itās saying? Without any references to back up the claim itās impossible to say and, given that the article then goes on to discuss the various risk factors that increase the likelihood of a stroke, I would suggest the figure isnāt referring to AF only. I appreciate WebMD is for general public consumption but I still think more detail needs to be given if such figures are being ā put out thereā. Iām sure you recall the lively debate that followed a now sadly ex-member querying the oft quoted 5 times the risk figure, so Iāll not go down that rabbit hole again! I think weāll just have to agree to disagree on this oneš
You are quite right, though, our individual risk calculation is more pertinent. My concern ,and why I raised the query in the first place, is that newly diagnosed folk who may be perusing the forum for advice may not be aware of the nuances of stroke risk calculation and for them such a broad statement could well be very concerning.
There is a video by the York Cardiologist in which he endorses your view. I watched it awhile ago. I think he says that he is not convinced that Afib causes stroke. He explains why and he goes on to refer to an amalgam of causative factors.Your 2 responses make some good points and are well written.
Regards
I was made to understand when you are in afib your atria and ventricles are not in sync and the ventricles don't push the blood out that you need fast enough thereby causing blood to pool which thereby causes blood clots, hence is why so many Drs. put us on anticoagulants to prevent clots and stroke. If I am wrong please forgive me but this is my understanding why afib can cause a stroke. Have a Blessed Day. PS I've had afib for 32 years now.
Hi kocoach
Indeed so, the atria and ventricles are out of sync in AF and the āquivering ā or fibrillating of the atria can give rise to the formation of clots as the blood isnāt flowing smoothly through the heartās chambers. My argument wasnāt that AF is a source of strokes, as I agree that stroke risk is increased with AF, in particular when other comorbidities are present - high blood pressure, diabetes etc. Rather, my problem is with Tracyās first statement - that AF is a leading cause of stroke. I have not come across anything in my researches on the subject that supports the statement that AF, by itself, is a leading cause of stroke, so I would be interested to know what data is supporting Tracyās statement.
Best regards TC
A Big āTHANK YOUā to the NHS. I am eternally grateful.
Back in June this year I was admitted through A&E to hospital with AF and dizziness. Much to my amazement, two weeks later I was discharged having been fitted with an express Pacemaker! Fantastic service when you actually need it and something I certainly wasnāt expecting.
Without the NHS I wouldn't still be alive
Me too. The NHS team wanted to ring my wife at 1:15 am, but I said no. The follow up a few weeks later with a hospital doctor started with; "you nearly died". The positive outcome was the case consultants writing a paper (Royal College of Physicians, Edinburgh - Case of the Quarter) that identified dronedarone and amiodarone as the cause of my pulmonary toxicity (aka cryptogenic organing pnuemonia). Hopefully, other people with AF won't be prescribed those drugs, and if they are, there is wider knowledge of pulmonary toxicity indicators, so people won't be wrongly diagnosed as having community aquired pnuemonia and, incorrectly treated so they become hypoxic with risk of dying or disability.
oh joy not! My Consultant HAS put me on Dronedarone! So now Iām worried. I have Haemochromatosis which is an iron overload problem which is a liver issue. I know that Iām supposed to have liver checks and very 2 months but thatās not taking into account the Haemochromatosis š³
Let us all hope that it is alive and kicking at 100.
Over the past 9 months, the NHS has excelled itself for my wife but we know that itās not been the same for everyoneā¦ā¦ā¦.
I'm so grateful to have had two ablations within 2 years - one of them when the pandemic was still pretty bad - at an excellent hospital without having to pay! That's what the NHS means. Our hospital medics were heroic during COVID. Like CDreamer I just hope our health service remains and grows.
Hi Tracy. The problem is that there isn't a national policy on screening for AF. My local primary care network (PCN) won't even check for arrythmia because of that: I suggested informally using a finger oximeter with a waveform display during a face-to face for anything. I'm told by the PCN (and an email chat with Trudie Lobban) that the NHS are waiting for the results of the Cambridge University SAFER study into AF. Whilst that study will produce an interim report, the full report will not be available for five years! Further, the lived-experience participants in the study are 70 + years old. I have raised this with a local cardiologist to discuss with the Integrated Care Board and Stroke Board. In Bristol, Hyper-Acute and Sub-Acute Units opened this May, but we have to reduce the number of stroke admissions. Screening for undiagnosed atrial fibrillation could be part of that.
Congratulations to all who work in the NHS. I hope by some miracle it continues to see 100 years.
The NHS has some od the worse outcomes of the western world. It should have been scrapped and replaced years ago. I had my first AF episode 6 months ago and still haven't seen a cardiologist since I left hospital. Many people are dying everyday because of their incompetence. I am not talking about medical staff just the enormous beaurocratic organisation.
My autistic mentally challenged brother died in Milton Keynes hospital last July, asphyxiation, had restricted airway not noted , given increase of a medication that causes drowsiness and then a tuna sandwich which caused the asphyxiation
The NHS saved my husband's life a couple of weeks into lockdown - he received exemplary care which has continued for the last 3 years. I wish all parts of the country were as well served . . . . .
The wonderful NHS is only as good as the area youāre in and the hospital you are assigned to.
Are you struggling to be prescribed an anticoagulant to help manage your AF-related stroke risk?
Some good news about stroke risk
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