Just wondering if anyone else has had omicron yet and how it may have affected them? I went to a super spreader wedding on 10/12 and by late on the 12/12 was aware of a scratchy throat starting. Next day I had a dull headache and slight throat issue, so knew it was omicron. LF not showing on 13th so had a PCR that was positive. Was worse on the 14th and felt hot and tripped into Atrial Flutter with my app showing 170bpm. Felt very uncomfortable, but stayed calm, drank cold water and had another 1.25 bisoporol. 8 mins later it back to normal at 70bpm and 3 hrs later 58bpm.....which is still higher than normal, but reflected my ill health.
Since then Ive not had any issues, I'm still showing poz on my LF test, but feel okay, my resting pulse is back down to 48ppm, so feeling more confident. Just wanted to share the experience with you.
I had my booster on 6/12/21
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Just curious how you knew it was covid from a headache and sore throat? I’ve had a pretty nasty sore throat, cough, headache for a few weeks, just getting rid of it now but wasn’t covid was just a bug. Done various tests in that time but all come back negative.
Don’t get me wrong it’s great if you’ve had it and that’s the only symptoms from it. I could have had it myself but like I say all tests came back negative. Just curious as to why you say you knew it was covid? My first thought when getting Ill was that I had a bug. Which tests confirmed. Maybe they were wrong though that’s always a possibility.
I was under the impression that you do a lateral flow test and then a pcr to confirm a positive lateral test not the other way around? Kind of negates the point of a lateral flow test otherwise?
Well, I'd heard about the scratchy throat and dull head ache, so initially thought I might be imagining it! 😆 However, my colds always follow similar paths, scratchy throat in the evening and painful throat in the night. (didn't happen) Plus who has a permanent dull headache for over 24hrs? Not me, it was 100% unusual.
Me! 🤣🤣 had a dull headache for best part of a week. My sore throat was bad as well but worst part was the cough. It was that bad I was permanently worried about setting my ticker off as I’m simultaneously tapering off Meds. 🤦♂️ Timing at its best!
LF tests are very unreliable. Some show up pos tests and some don't. My daughter tested pos on a PCR and was still neg the next day on a LF test. I was neg on my LF but poz on PCR, which backs it up. If you can tell the symptons are there, stay at home or go for PCR, don't rely on an LF test. ( For clarity, I am now failing LF tests)
Yeah I get what your saying. I don’t think any test is completely reliable to be fair. However lateral flow tests seem completely pointless and a total waste of money if everyone who does one and receives a negative result then goes and has a pcr anyway?
I’m not saying they can’t fail. As I said above no test is infallible. I’m just questioning the point of a lft if everyone who gets a negative result then double checks with a pcr anyway? If everyone is doing this then the government may as well save a few quid and everyone just go straight to the pcr? Doesn’t make any sense
My relative has had lots of infections thought to be covid potentially and did lots of lateral flow and PCR tests over this past year all of which came back negative. He was required to do a antibody test to undertake some work within a care home setting and that test showed clearly that he had had covid somewhere in the past three to six months. So who knows what is right and whats not accurate.
No one knows to be fair. Same can be said about the antibody test as well though. Has your relative had the vaccine? If so it may be the antibody’s generated from that that the test is picking up on?
Maybe he’s been lucky, I know a healthy 30 yr old who refused the vaccine. He got the delta variant and thought he was going to die! 3 months on he’s having treatment for a collapsed lung.
🤣 each to their own I suppose. I’ve got to be honest if I knew 100% that I’ve had covid and this could be confirmed then I doubt I would have the vaccine myself. Not against it at all and think it’s the best plan we have currently but if I knew I’d had it then I would consider myself to have natural antibodies. I’m aware people contract it more than once but people also contract it after vaccine so for me having antibodies from the virus itself will be better than from the vaccine. Just my opinion and outside of already having caught covid I would say vaccine all the way 💪
Interesting. I have had unusual symptoms for a few days - headache (unusual), generally feeling ‘off’ but can’t get a LF test (out of stock) so who knows? Maybe just as well as we would have had to cancel Christmas if positive. I tried to get a PCR test once but didn’t meet govt criteria - headache, temperature, cough - so how did you get one? Glad you are not too poorly ❤️🩹
I hope Santa doesn't bring me any of those for Christmas !
Buff wrote "I tried to get a PCR test once but didn’t meet govt criteria - headache, temperature, cough - so how did you get one"
Come on Buff - you can work that one heheh. Develop the above and you'll soon get one Two out 3 should do it. If you need temperture a few walks abound the block will sort that out.
Had 3rd vac today - so tired but all ok apart from that.
To be fair buff I have followed that procedure and have spent the majority of my time inside for last 5 months recovering from ablation but yet I still manage to catch a bug. Don’t think it’s that easy personally. Bugs/viruses have existed for millenniums for a reason.
From late Aug till mid Dec I have scratchy throat , runny nose , sneezing on and off , coughing , throat clearing etc. I have ragweed and mold allergies! These symptoms are not continuous but come and go. Also the cat spends more time indoors now. I'm not sure I would recognise an bug if it was mild and I did not actually feel ill.
My extended family have found that those who tested positive on lateral flow (antigen) tests were also positive on PCR test, and negative lateral flow tests were confirmed with negative PCR tests, within family groups with confirmed COVID-19.
Mine usually usually are,I dont follow the party line, I am informed by my old colleagues in ICU, that most inpatients are double vaxed. Perhaps it is different in different regions, Im oop North.
Won’t really delve into that too much as the thought police will be out again but I would say common sense would say if 80% of gen pop are vaccinated then the proportion of vax/non vax in hospital should reflect that.
"Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests were the first available for spotting the coronavirus. They work by detecting the virus’s genetic material, and are very accurate. " This statement is very surprising, BMJ states just the opposite. Who to believe? Further in the same article we read that this test is too sensitive and can detect even old viruses.
Well, the conspiracy believers have made so much of this but only managed to show up what fools they are. If they spoke to an immunologist, then they would discover the excellence of the PCR test at finding SARS-2, but also that its weakness is that it can't differentiate between live and dead viruses and so can tell nothing about the infection itself, only that the virus is present (not that a virus is "alive" as such). If those conspiracy believers then spoke to doctors on ICU wards, they would learn that covid presents clinically in a pretty clear manner. Doctors don't need a PCR tests to tell that a patient is suffering from severe covid, mostly as pneumonia and ARDS.
The scientists have been our saviour on this; the politicians far less so; and the conspiracy believers have done themselves and none of us any favours at all.
Quite frankly I cannot see how "conspiracy believers " have made fools of themselves in their criticisms of the PCR test. If the test cannot distinguish between live and dead virus ( and also can be positive for other corona virus) then of what use is it in the asymptomatic? It is inflating the case numbers. A "case" of a disease used to be someone who was actually suffering from something not someone who had tested positive with a test that the inventor of the technology Kary Mullis himself said should not be used to diagnose illness. And your reply in no way addresses what RaraAvis has posted.
hi ppiman kary mullis invented the pcr test and he said it was not designed to detect infectious diseases, also there are many many scientists who have a different take on the situation who are been brushed aside for the chosen few who hold the same narrative,this does not give any of us a balanced take on the situation , calling people with a different view a conspiracy theorist also does nothing to help,you have to ask why are the few always right.
The test finds the virus, not the illness - no one argues with that. It is capable of differentiating between corona viruses. In a hospital setting, covid is clinically diagnosed.
Mullis would surely be turning in his grave if he knew what Icke and his followers were making of this test.
It's a shame that certain topics pull in the conspiracy believers who spout misinformation about this potentially awful disease. I'm sorry if I have been a part of extending the thread away from your question.
I was only messing around ppi man! Posts getting pulled left right and centre at the minute and it’s rather frustrating when your mid conversation and not being abusive and the post then gets pulled 🤷♂️
Dont think it really matters which “side” anyones on. Once a post mentions vaccines, someone says something deemed “unacceptable” and it’s game over 🙄
Yes - you’re right. The only side to be on for me if the side of science, though! It’s the side that the cardiologists and EPs are on after all, and the side they rely on when they fix our hearts as best they can. ☺️☺️☺️
You should look into what cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough has to say on the subject. How are you on the side of science if you only choose to believe certain scientists? The very point of science is to question science, isn't it?
The scientific method is what I meant, and I am not picking and choosing in the way you imply, far from it.
I’ve heard and read from that American doctor and he’s got lots of interesting things to say but his views on treating covid are now not considered useful. The Wikipedia information on him seems fair. Proving effectiveness of treatments for covid is unquestionably hard to do, so, well done to him for trying to show hydroxychloroquine and other older drugs were effective. The science of this antimalarial is far from understood - and I’d read up on it years ago as my wife was given it even though the specialist who gave it admitted no one knew why or how it works. She had to stop taking it two years ago owing to toxicity.
LOL .... 'are not considered useful' ... by whom? Never mind ... totally rhetorical question. It's pretty clear that someone who isn't towing the line and spouting the narrative isn't considered 'useful'. mmmkay.
The same way you pick and choose which scientists to believe when you chose that name of yours? 🤔
You choose to completely disregard and vilify one of the most important industry’s we have. Without pharma humans would be screwed it’s as simple as that.
You mention dr Peter McCullough who evidently talks about and encourages the use of…… wait for it…… a pharmaceutical drug? A little ironic don’t you think?
If you had been affected by pharmaceuticals the way I have, you wouldn't be so quick to judge. My life has been absolutely, permanently ruined by them. You are clearly a mean, nasty person. Please don't 'reply' to me again.
🤣🤣 are you serious? Please point out where I have been either mean or nasty? You are more than happy to pick holes in other people but can’t handle any comments coming back? 🤔 unbelievable!
And don’t jump to conclusions that because I believe pharmaceutical drugs have been beneficial to the human race as a whole, that I haven’t been negatively affected by them. I have been affected GREATLY and if you care to read my recent replies you will see why.
If you can’t handle different opinions then sorry but maybe you shouldn’t advertise yours.
Just to share the experience of a close friend this week, his partner was unwell so took a pcr test and found she was positive. Although he felt fine and was testing negatively three times weekly with rf home tests, he undertook a pcr too. Positive for Covid.. he has therefore isolated for 10 days, finishing today, still feels well and no lack of taste or smell or other symptoms. From curiosity he has continued with his regular rf tests, all showing negative. He is fully jabbed and boosted. Are false positives possible with the pcr test, or is the omicron variant not being picked up by rf tests?
I have posted on here before that I tested positive on a PCR test in early November. Someone came to my house to do the test as I had been told to self isolate for 3 days prior to a small surgical procedure. Someone from the hospital phoned me 2 days after the test and the day before the procedure to say it was positive. This was quite a shock as I had no symptoms. I did a LF test later that same day which was negative. I did isolate for 10 days following the result which meant all my appointments had to be changed but I never had any symptoms and neither did my partner who is not vaccinated. So I have been left wondering if it was a false positive or I did have Covid but was asymptomatic, a bit unlikely given my health, or was it linked to the booster I had had the week before. I will never know I suppose.
Thank you for giving details of your Omicron experience. I am self isolating but not because I have knowingly been into contact with the virus. I just don't want to catch it. The last person I spoke to in person was the supermarket delivery person a few days ago. I have to get my repeat medication from a pharmacy soon which will be the first time I've gone beyond my driveway this month.I had the booster last month, but I've chosen not to socialise. Since last year I have reduced mobility due to foot drop in my right foot. I wear a prescribed orthotic which helps me to walk fairly normally, but I can't carry much, hence online food orders. I cannot drive because of the foot drop.
I am single but look after 3 cats so I don't want to be ill. I shall nevertheless celebrate Christmas, but on my own, without going to a church service.
Hi. 48bpm TOO LOW. You were worried at 58bpm. ??Seems you not understanding NORMAL. 60-100bpmexcept at night it is OK to drop. Mine is 45bpm with 2 pauses on Metropolol. Taken off as bpm 186 day.
On 12.5 Bisoprolol. 158bpm but had a 120bpm A>F
On Calcium Channel Blocker 120mg 60s-70s. with bisoprolol at night 2.5mg only
BP now 123/77
Now under control finally
Had booster last Tuesday. Young nurse put it into nerve it stung. I had a spot 8cm , red angry and sore with bad itchiness. Lump under skin.
When I was training for my marathon I was as low as 38bpm. That was 30 years ago. Without covid my resting pulse can be as low as 42 with 1.25 of bisoporol a day. My cardiologist is happy with this. I don’t recall being worried when it was 58?
I’m confused her. Dud anyone think of the PCR test as anything other than a diagnostic tool? Covid is primarily clinically diagnosed in hospitals, surely?
I’m quite sure that no one phones 999 because they’ve had a positive PCR test. They phone because they are feeling desperately ill, are gasping for breath and are deeply frightened.
Steve
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Never mind. I'll show myself out. I've never gotten any value from being here anyway. Seems it's all about what drug(s) you're taking or what medical procedure you're all having and what horrible side effects you're experiencing and how to cope with them. I'll pass on that. It's so sad how many people are so clearly brainwashed or just plain ignorant. Sad, indeed.
100% science and scientists should be challenged and they are continually by their PEERS. Not by random uninformed, unqualified jo public who are basically shooting blanks in the dark.
Scientists are flawed like every other human being on the planet that’s why peer review is in place. A random commenter on an af forum is not going to challenge the work of a scientist who has spent a career in his/her field the same way you are got going to challenge Magnus Carlsen in a game of chess.
Isn’t the problem that covid puts people into hospital far too often, and blocks up ICU beds and scarce 1:1 specialist nursing for twice as long as anything on such a scale?
I’ve decided to take the risk of being vaccinated and to trust in the testing procedures and the science. This is because I believe that the NHS needs to function for us all.
I quite agree - in fact entirely. But the questioning needs to be done at a sensible and scientific level, which it surely is being. The misinformation so far given here on something as straightforward as the PCR test and similar makes me grateful for those people trained to question those things properly.
Thanks for that great information so glad you came through it OK. I wonder though if it happened to me with plus 23 years on your age I would come through it so well!! 🤔 Happy Christmas to you.
My BIL’s Dad also picked it up at the wedding and he’s 85. He’s been pretty much okay, (boosted) so I’m sure you’d sail through it. 👍 Happy Christmas to you too! x
Wow John do we actually agree on something for once? 🤔🤣 you are basically repeating word for word what I’ve been saying on here and in general for a while. All drugs have side effects, all drugs can be dangerous for certain people. The fact we can speak about all of them except the vaccine is ridiculous.
As for science being the holy grail I may not have said it but I’m about too 🤣 because it is. Science is the gold standard for humanity and has been for many years. It is involved in or has a bearing on virtually everything we do as humans, especially this day and age.
Without science we would not be having this conversation and yours and my opinions would be confined to echo within the 4 walls of our homes, to annoy our long suffering wives, family and close friends. Science has given us a huge percentage of everything we have today and continues to have exponential growth over everything we do. To say anything else is just wrong.
To comment on your examples I would just redirect you to my earlier comment. Scientists much like every other human on the planet are not infallible. Mistakes are made continually and will continue to do so probably until AI is fully implemented and decisions are no longer made by our mistake ridden monkey brains. The whole point of science as someone has already said is to continually correct itself. You are expecting perfection and that is just never going to happen.
Jo public can report symptoms and that’s about it. It’s then down to the scientists to work out what the data means. Because let’s face it we are all idiots in comparison to the top 5/10 maybe 15% at a push who have to make these decisions daily.
I always say I’m smart enough to know how dumb I am and that’s good enough for me. I recognise that there are people out there that I am never in a million years going to be able to compete with intellectually and I’m cool with that. Only an idiot wouldn’t recognise that. If all the highly intelligent top level scientists, engineers, decision makers etc were to vanish today the rest of us would be completely screwed yet no one wants to give them credit, just continually bash them for the mistakes they make 🙄 how long would it take the rest of us to reinvent the internet? Or antibiotics/vaccines? Or mobile phones so we can all communicate like we do now? We would be cast back to the Stone Age once everything stopped working.
We have so much to be thankful for that these people exist but we’re just too bloody ungrateful to see it. All we want to do is tear them down and not just accept that making mistakes is a part of life.
Protocols and trials observed, reviewed and data broken down by who? Scientists 🤣 therein proving the point I’m trying to make. Scientists are reviewed and proven wrong by other scientists and somehow a section of jo public want to take credit for this? It’s completely nonsensical.
As for the vaccine being withdrawn, who withdrew it? Who crunched the data to realise it needed to be withdrawn? It wasn’t mr diy in his shed with his dads old chemistry set was it?
The Astra Zeneca vaccine was harmful to an absolute miniscule percentage of the population. I think I remember reading that there were more risks involved, from clots directly, from taking a contraceptive pill? When will this be withdrawn? I may be wrong with the data as it’s probably been updated since then but I do not try to keep up with it to the extent some people do. Even still the vaccine was still withdrawn which should give some indication of the level of perfection they are striving for.
If we’re being technical then science can never truly be proven right it’s only really ever proven wrong. That’s the whole crux of the scientific method. In continually proving itself wrong progress is made.
As for following blindly I would like to think no one does this. Although unfortunately that’s probably not the case. Everyone’s got the choice as to whether they want to trust the scientists and data and have the jab. Yes I recognise this is being made difficult by the marginalising of people who choose not too but it is still a choice regardless. The ironic thing is that you yourself are double jabbed. Maybe you’ve even had the booster? So maybe you follow science a little more blindly than you care to admit? Unless your going to claim that you know the ins and outs of exactly how the vaccine works and why? I’m not talking about reading a paper, ironically written by scientists 🙄 on google either. I’m talking about a real true understanding of how it works to the extent that you could produce/reproduce it yourself. Which is the level of understanding that would be required in order for you to not be following the science blindly to some extent.
Anyway I doubt this conversation is going to last much longer as no doubt someone feelings would have been or will be hurt at some point 🙄
Oh John come on mate I was just getting into that! 🤣 not like you too concede defeat just like that! I was just starting to warm to you as well plus your filling a gap in my unwanted day of rest 👎
You have successfully navigated 2 full days with a post that is either vaccine or covid related without it being pulled. You have my admiration in abundance 🤣🤣
I think you may have just taken the record of late and therefore deserve a medal 🏅 🎖
Bravo sir! 👏👏👏
Edit : this post does not contain any sarcasm what so ever!
I am bored John but not that bored 🤣 jokes aside your now veering off into an almost completely different topic. Is there corruption in the world? Absolutely and in every walk of life. It’s not confined only to big pharma, science or the rich. It is literally everywhere so I wouldn’t expect science to be any different. No doubt there’s been corruption in the Pfizer camp as well. They are still going though? So all in all could not have been as corrupt as certain “news” outlets that your average person manages to find on the internet would lead you too believe? Just as a side note you can literally find anything you want online if you look hard enough and ask the right question. Whether the resulting “facts” are true or complete tosh is anyones guess.
For me it all boils down to one fact and that is that although you seem to be implying that Pfizer are extremely corrupt and may or may not be up to nefarious acts, you still chose to give up your arm and let them pump you full of god only knows what? Not once but twice? Maybe even 3 times and I’m assuming you will continue to do so? You clearly cannot be that concerned about how deep their corruption goes?
In regards to the Micheal Keaton box set I may give that a look. Sounds interesting and I don’t mind a bit of Miguel! Did you mean thousands of deaths though not 100s? As that doesn’t sound a lot. Unless they were not a very big company?
My understanding of Pfizer is that it needs mountains of cash and the ability to generate mountains more so it can weather the storms not only of its own business foolishness and a litigious society but also the costs of developing and bringing to the market novel pharmaceuticals, many of which fail the final hurdles but cost billions in R&D.
Pfizer has not been a particularly innovative company, but it does have several best in class drugs that many people in the world owe their lives and livelihoods to. The mRNA vaccines are, of course, saving countless lives and, even though they were rushed through, were tested on tens of thousands of volunteers. It's also true that most side effects from vaccines occur within the time parameters this vaccine was tested for. To hark back to earlier issues such as thalidomide is surely a non-sequitur or even straw man since those early errors resulted in what is now easily the most heavily regulated of all industries.
I wish there were a better way to develop drugs, but it seems there isn't. Also, Pfizer has never been legally accused of being corrupt.
They are just an easy target to blame in my opinion steve. Easy to point to the man/women/company at the top and place blame when your ignorant to the facts. No person at street level knows the true facts and it’s easy to sound smart after reading a few articles online. Let them do their job and let the scientists review, critique and correct each other. It’s how it should be in my opinion. I would rather the experts have control over these matters than joe bloggs conducting experiments in his shed.
I wouldn’t support Pfizer except to say that it is a magnificently successful company which employs an army of well paid employees and supports even more pensioners.
That 2009 judgment and the one that came after taught the company several lessons, I’m sure.
American healthcare, especially the ability to use the mass media to advertise prescription only pharmaceuticals is a strange world. Let’s hope ours never gets close to that.
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Two out 3 should do it. If you need temperture a few walks abound the block will sort that out.
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