Just read an article by the University of Granada and the Anadalisuan School of public health in Spain that says getting covid goes up 78% if you have a pet dog. Has to do with taking the dog outside for a walk. And what they bring back in on their paws and fur. 😕And the chance goes to 94% getting groceries from a supermarket delivered to your door. The article said it's probably a good idea to disinfect the grocery items as best you can. I did that for a long time (in the USA) but stopped. I do wash any fresh fruit or veggies. Wash my hands and counters and spray doorknobs with 70% alcohol.
Cats apparently don't pose a risk. 😊I assume because most cats stay in the house and don't go outside. Which mine do not. Scares them silly. And they were born feral cats. Lol. Momma left them to fend for themselves in a rain storm while she got out of the rain. Short story I ended up with two cats. 😻😻
Anyone else have a reaction to the second pneumonia shot? Prevnar 23? I got the 1st one October last year (Prevnar 13) and this second one just this past Friday. Never had a reaction to ANY shot before. Had fever and big red itchy rash below injection sight and soreness in same arm. Dr said take a Benadryl (Otc allergy pill). I did and much better. Didn't want to go to the emergency and spend $80. Especially when the Benadryl worked. Sitting for hours in the ER, I didn't want to do. Did talk to the pharmacist who gave me the shot and she said I may be allergic to one of the preservatives in the vaccine or the pneumonia virus in it. I also had severe tingling in feet and legs. She didn't know that is a side effect. It is. 😕 Wish these health care professionals (ha) would read about all the side effects. It's left up to us patients to do it ourselves.
Everyone stay safe.
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I'm a nut as far as things coming into the house are concerned and either quarantine or wipe/wash everthing. I've been doing it since March and noticed that recently because of awful back pain that I have been getting careless, so thank you for a timely reminder.
What my collie brings back on her paws and fur isn't COVID but isn't always pleasant either. Presumably the authors are talking about city dogs in crowds? Seems a bit cruel towards people whose main joy is walking their dogs in the country.
Sorry, I can't help with the pneumonia shot - mine gave me mild pain and heat at the injection site for a day or so. I hope it settles down for you as a crowded A&E wouldn't be my choice either. Stay safe too. xx
You too are thoughtful of your pets. You could be right. I don't think the article mentioned if the dogs were city or country. Seems if it's in the city that might be more problematic. I love the country. I was raised in the country. My father chose to raise me and my siblings in the country. It's a different world than the city. I found people were nicer. Not nosy or gossips. But always came running to help in a crisis.
Sounds like you are on top of things. I better get back to doing as well. I suspect more lockdown when Biden takes over.
Thanks for your concern about the shot. I'm better since taking the allergy pill. Always something.😣 Take care.
Hi belindalor 😊 I have been quarantining dry goods and sanitising the rest since March though I understand the risk of contamination from goods is small.
I have my groceries delivered into my garage which makes the whole operation simple.
Long before C19 appeared I washed my dogs paws after a walk . I live in the middle of muddy fields so paws are constantly getting dirty. I have a bowl/towels/a hair drier all set up in the garage again making the operation simple.
We have had a number cases of Alabama Rot around here so washing my dogs paws acts as a preventative measure for that too.
So organised. We sometimes call on my wife's cousin and take his gorgeous little dog for a walk usually he has a towel in the garage for her but none the last time. We are going again on Friday - he is at work so we only meet the dog and take her out for a walk. Thanks for reminding me to take an old towel with us on Friday. I'll put one in the car now.
Nice to see you are taking precautions with your cousin's little dog. 😌
I think a couple of the people on here were offended by my post. It was not meant to offend anyone or be against anyone walking their dogs. It was meant to be aware that we don't know what can happen to our fur babies. I for one never dreamed of the possibility that our babies could be carrying the virus on them somehow. I was talking to a friend about it yesterday and she said what if your pet was licking someone who had the virus and that person didn't know he/she had it, maybe licked that person in the mouth or that person kissed your pet on the head or nose or something. Then turned around and somehow passed the virus to you. We can't be crazy about everything but still have to be aware of this possibility. And protect our pets as we would our ourselves. Maybe those who live in the country versus the city may not have to worry so much. I see people in my neighborhood walk their dogs. Maybe not such a worry. But I wouldn't walk my pet downtown or take it in a store with me that allows you to bring your pet in with you. Just saying we need to take care of our pets too. As here in the states there have been confirmed cases of pets getting the virus and I think a dog had to be put down. 😔 Everyone be safe AND your fur babies too. 🐕🐈💓
I would hate to be in charge of her and something happen. She is timid with other dogs but loves people - mainly because they make a fuss of her and if they have treats give her some - the mail man always has a packet with him and we seem to find him every time we take her out - my wife says "she mugged the mailman again today" We have to be very wary of most things. When this all started we probably were too obsessive about cleaning everything and are probably a little lax now so with everything stepping up again maybe we should get back to that obsessiveness we exhibited in March.
I know. I love animals. Had dogs years ago but now have cats. But I would still coo over someone else's dog. Now I wouldn't. Gee we could even bring home the virus and give it to our fur babies. Hate to even think of that. I must step it up too. Many hospitals in the USA over capacity with virus cases. They have opened tents in their parking lots and some patients now have the "regular" flu plus the covid. Texas and Wisconsin are the worst so far. Soon as Biden gets in the White House I'm sure there will be serious lockdown. Only thing is the governor of each state will possibly issue his/her own protocols. Whichever the case there will be those who will do want they want. It's overwhelming, disheartening. People are fatigued by it all. Dr Fauci here says maybe it will be over this time next year. Who knows. No one I think. Hope and faith is all we have. In that I do hope you and yours stay safe. 🙏
Exactly. Whatever the rules or the law says it is pretty hard to enforce things and some people will do what they want anyway. We all must do our best to keep ourselves and our loved ones safe.
frequently allow their dogs off the leash in parks (and even on cycle paths). They bound up to you and often rub against clothing. I have long suspected that this could potentially result in Covid being passed on, and this article seems to confirm that. What to do to get these owners to keep their dogs on a lead?
Same problem here in the USA. There are always people who don't think they have to adhere to the rules. They think their dogs are perfect and will do no harm. But it's not the dog's fault. It's the owner. Decades ago when I first moved to where I live now, the neighbor lady came over to introduce herself and invited me to come visit her sometime. I did a couple weeks later and was greeted at her door by her and her two big female boxer dogs. Now they were sweet dogs. But high strung. I assumed she would control them. I made the mistake of going on in and both dogs started jumping up on me. And one scratched the front of my legs. It was summer and I wore shorts back then. The neighbor did yell at the dogs to stop and they did calm down. And I should have left but I stayed and visited for a bit. I never received an apology for her dogs scratching me. I stayed friends with this neighbor for years and would still visit but always on the lookout for the dogs. I was also attacked by someone's pit bull couple years ago. It was running loose outside. Luckily I wasn't injured as the owner came as I was hitting the dog with a metal pipe I was able to grab and he hollered for the dog and it went to him. I called Animal Control. They never found the owner or the dog (so they said). But other neighbors said before I was attacked, they had seen the dog loose several times and it had attacked the dog of a couple who walked their dog through the neighborhood. I really think the owner moved. Pit bulls are dangerous dogs and many areas around the country ban them. They are so inbred that they get crazy and will turn on their owner and kill them. They kill other animals. And yet people still have them as pets. Drug dealers are known to have pit bulls as people are afraid of them. Then there are people who just think the dog has gotten a bad rap. And will adopt one from a rescue thinking they will rehabilitate the dog. I've read about that from owners of rescue organizations and they all say it's impossible. I believe the original pit bull was the Stratford terrier. Which was a fine dog. But then they were bred to kill. And inbred and inbred til now they are not "right in the head". It's really a travesty.
Well I sure got off the subject. But yes what to do when a dog owner doesn't control their dog. Makes me wonder if they can't control their dog how could they parent a child.😕 Happy Thanksgiving to you. Try and make it a good one.
Such theories can lead to the abandonment of dogs, discarded on to the streets etc., my opinion for what it is worth is that dogs are part of the family, would you abandon your granny because she possibly could contract or pass on Covid?
Animal abuse is what started this and many other viruses, we must remember that and realise that if humanity is not careful the next virus caused by abuse might make Covid 19 seem like a walk in the park.
I never suggested that anyone abandon their pet. Never once did I say that. The article only meant to make people more aware of what can happen during this pandemic and I for one would have never thought a dog could possibly spread the virus. If anything the article meant for people to be aware of the possibility and maybe keep their pets as safe as themselves and their other loved ones. If you read the post above that says I'd been attacked by a dog no where did I say I hate dogs. Yes I may be a little more leery now of big dogs but I don't hate dogs. I don't have much love for a dog owner who does not control their dog. It's not the dogs fault. It's the owner not taking proper care of their pet. And I know about dogs being abandoned. I come from northeast Kansas where Ft Leavenworth is located. Soldiers stationed there would get a dog and when the soldier was sent somewhere else instead of trying to give the dog to someone else or find another home they would abandon the dog out in the country. My family lived in the country. We took in a few of these dogs through the years and some of our neighbors did the same. My father was an animal lover and so am I. It sickens me to think that decades later this is probably still happening where I grew up. So never would I suggest someone abandon their pet because of the pandemic. Only be aware of the possibility what our pets could possibly unknowingly bring into the house. And take better care. At least that's what I would try to do. It never crossed my mind that a pet could innocently bring the virus into the house and I'm sure not many other people thought that either.
And here in the states since the pandemic the animal shelters have been adopting out many many pets. That's a wonderful thing.
Dog owners are not being asked to abandon or neglect their dogs, but to ensure that they are not annoying others or possibly transmitting Covid. The dogs themselves are not at fault- their owners are.
If you have ever been to that region you will notice that dogs go everywhere with their owners, including cafes and restaurants and get a lot of attention. You wouldn’t believe the shops that cater for dog owners and their fashionable outfits, often geared to match their owner’s and the paraphernalia. Andalusia also has a problem with feral cats and dogs in their towns and cities.
Living near sea, the beach is the place to exercise your animal, horses, dogs and yes cats on leads and the strangest I met was someone walking their parrot, I have a photo. The owners said that they took him everywhere with them - and he commented on people - he really did!
Some days our beach is wall to wall animals and the trouble is that dogs like to socialise and don’t get social distancing. I always enjoyed meeting the dogs on the beach but now try to avoid them.
If you are a dog owner, be aware that because so many people have sought dogs during lockdown and the prices have rocketed, dog thefts are on the rise.
I think it needs a sceptical approach. You can read a lot into the figures.
For instance, wearing a surgical mask nearly doubles your risk of getting Covid compared with not wearing a mask (5.7% with mask, 3.1% no mask). Staying inside also doubles your risk compared with going outside without a mask (5.8%, 3.1%). Similarly, using alcohol gel increases your risk. Also going to a bank reduces your risk compared with those who do not go to a bank.
I could go on. I don't think the study is large enough to draw valid conclusions, which of course doesn't stop the papers doing just that.
The sample size of 2086 is more than adequate, although the paper does mention certain limitations such as the fact it was done online and subjects were able to self-diagnose.
That's the total number both positive and negative. 1987 were negative and only 99 were positive for Covid. That is totally inadequate to draw conclusions. The number positive needs to be in the thousands to draw the kind of conclusions they were, particularly, as you say, it was online and self-reporting.
Ive got 1 personal dog, 1 foster dog, and I transport Greyhounds from the race track in Florida all the way north to Ohio and in between. No cats for me. No virus for me either.
I have never taken any flu shot and cant see me doing that in the future.
Im in the process now of finding the reason for my itching hands and feet that wakes me up at night also. Its been going on since late September. Doc thinks it allergy, blood work pending prior to the scratch testing. Benidryl has not been working for me at all, besides sleeping for 2 straight hours.
Have you tried Zyrtec? That horrible itchiness started around 10/15 years ago - no diagnosis but I have to take Zyrtec each day. Hopefully, this helps. Please keep me posted as to what your doctor concludes it to be.
I think articles about dogs and cats like such will cause panic and may mean a lot more abandoned pets. 😳 Instead they could recommend hygiene regimes.
Thank you for that; I have to say I take that report with a large dose of salt (absolutely no reflection on you!) as there several conclusions that really skew the results. The survey was carried out in April and May 2020 during the period of maximum confinement in Spain. The number of people questioned should have made the results statistically viable, however the university mailing list was skewed towards higher education (over 75% were graduate and post-graduate) and 67% were female. The study authors admit there was an underrepresentation of the elderly.
23% of respondents had a dog as a pet, which is a very high figure compared to rural Spain. 20% had taken pets for a walk during the confinement, the other 80% either didn’t have a pet or hadn’t walked it. Crucially, this was at a time when there was no testing, those who said they had COVID-19 were all self-diagnosed. My husband was in Spain at the beginning of their lockdown and it was truly Draconian. The police were out on the streets, stopping drivers and anyone out and about to make sure the outings were legitimate. The chances of and animal going near a person with COVID-19 far less playing with another dog were practically non-existent. These measures accomplished a drastic drop in COVID cases but of course as life got back to normal cases went sky-high again.
You can tell I have a dog, can't you?! I let mine off the leash in the commons near us, and she is absolutely joyful and I wouldn't stop doing that. She occasionally plays with other dogs and it has never crossed my mind that she might pick up the virus. She always goes for a swim in a clean brook on the way home but that is also play - although lately it has helped with the copious amount of mud she has on her.
I have already become much more lax about disinfecting packaging although I always wash fresh food anyway. Current UK government advice says:
'Food packaging
If you have been shopping, there should be no need to sanitise the outer packaging of food. This is because food businesses are required to have a system for managing food safety in place, which should include keeping packaging clean. You should still follow good hygiene practice by washing your hands after handling any outer packaging. If you have reason to believe the packaging has been contaminated, you should follow the recommended cleaning guidance.'
I am doing another post (which also came from Spain) which I found really useful, you might like to take a look. Best wishes.
Hi just to say I regularly administer prevenar 13 to children and one of side effects is redness at injection site which can be tender also can leave a little lump under the skin hope this helps
"And the chance goes to 94% getting groceries from a supermarket delivered to your door."
If I have groceries delivered to my door, I am not exposed to the air or particles or other people's exhalations or coughing or sniffling etc when they are inside the store, or exposed to my touching something someone had touched before me. I'd think this would reduce my chances of contracting COVID by upwards of 94%, but I could be wrong.
Since we have a disinfection station inside the house, it seems my chances are even more greatly REDUCED for getting COVID. The person who shops wears a mask (but not gloves) so they are exposed to more things than I would be, by having them shop for me. I only have contact with one person (the shopper) and I have protocols in place.
Plastic items (gallons of water) go into a disinfection area and stay there for 4 or 5 days. For other items, we spray the countertops and sinks with 70% alcohol to the point of almost puddling. We put shopping bags on the counter, remove every item one at a time and spray 70% alcohol on all surfaces of the item. Then they go into the sink. Once we have a sink full, we wash the items with hot water and soap and place them in the drying area. They air dry. We also disinfect and the remove the shopping bags. When all done, we wash our hands with soap and warm water for about 40 seconds.
wow.... we live in the petrie dish of the virus, Florida. I have never sprayed, wiped down anything I have bought from a store, ever! I go into the grocery stores and department stores wering a mask, and when I leave there I spray my hands with a disinfectent immediately. In the last 9 months, neither my husband or have contracted the virus.
WEAR YOUR MASK, sanitize your hands as needed, and dont hang out with those that dont. its just that simple..
Can I just ask why you have 2 pneumonia jabs? Here in the U.K. we get one, and that’s meant to last your life, I’m led to believe. You’re in the US aren’t you.? Was just wondering.
Yes in the USA. Here if you're over 65 you are supposed to get two. The first is the one that everyone can get. Then they like us older people to get a second one. They are done a year apart. The second one supposedly covers many more bacteria and such. Then you never have to get another one. Maybe you all just get the second one. USA does things differently than other countries. Maybe why it's such a mess now. Lol 😆 But one thing I've noticed since being on this forum the UK seems to be a little more involved in studying about Afib. Or at least paying more attention. When studies are done over here (about anything) most Drs don't bother to read them so they end up knowing nothing when you ask them questions. Pitiful. Stay safe.
It's nice to be on this forum. I would have never thought it could be possible decades ago to type on a flat little phone to converse with people around the world. It is interesting to see how other countries work. Have a nice Thanksgiving☺. I'm learning from reading some posts what others will be having for their traditional dinner. I love it. Here most people have a roasted turkey, gravy made from the drippings, stuffing (baked in the turkey) and/or dressing (like stuffing only made as a side dish and baked) , mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes (usually mashed and baked with some kind of topping, some put marshmallows on top), there's a green bean casserole most people make, various vegetables, salads, (my mother always made a waldorf salad) rolls. Desserts are usually pumpkin pie, pecan pie, Apple pie. I've made pumpkin cheesecake before. Delicious! Of course I'm staying away from sugar but I may sneak in a bite of something. 😔
Enjoy your Thanksgiving day and I hope you will be sharing it with your loved ones.
Thanks Bel you enjoy yours too. It’ll be Christmas we celebrate here tho, don’t do the Thanksgiving, but the food will be the turkey etc, and probably trifle after, and a slice of Christmas cake (my downfall). Can always go on a diet in January. Have fun. 😋
Yes, you are right. I also have read the same and as I am having a dog at home. Initially, I was afraid but when I confirmed this from my Vet and a Pet Pharmacy website (worldpetexpress.net), they deny the facts saying that it can happen if you are going to take your dog outside in the affected areas. So they suggested I should keep myself and my whole family quarantine till the situation is not getting normal.
I just recently read another article(sorry I didn't save it) that said we can transfer the virus to our pets. Seems possible to me since it can be animal to human. And there's been reports of zoo animals getting the covid virus. If they aren't getting from the humans I wonder how they caught it. Of course the information given is always somewhat vague so the whole story isn't being told. I think it's a concern for our pets. Too much is still unknown about this virus and the vaccines. ??? Take care.
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