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My experience and my thoughts about undergoing radioligand therapy using the PSMA-617 ligand loaded with 177Lu and 225Ac isotopes. Part 1.

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I greet you warriors fighting for their lives or, as they say in Russia, men kissed by prostate cancer!))

Recently, information about radioligand therapy using the PSMA antigen-ligand and issues related to this therapy have been increasingly appearing on the forum. I would like to tell you about my experience of undergoing this therapy by a doublet or otherwise tandem method using two therapeutic isotopes simultaneously: Lutetium (177Lu) and Actinium (225AC) loaded on PSMA-617 molecules.

But a little bit about the background of this therapy. A specific, therapeutic combination looks like this: 177Lu – PSMA-617 + 225Ac – PSMA-617 with a short interval of administration of these two RFPs, for 15 to 30 minutes one after the other, into the patient's bloodstream. For convenience, it is often written as Lu + Ac – PSMA. Both of these RFPs have a half dose of isotope activity, which are used in mono mode. The maximum dose of activity in tandem therapy for the 177Lu isotope is 7.4 GBq and for 225Ac – 5 MBq, respectively. The 177Lu isotope is a source of beta radiation with a released energy at the decay of an atom of 0.497 MeV and with a beta particle run of up to 2 mm in a biological medium, the half-life of this isotope is 6.7 days. The isotope 225Ac is an alpha emitter with a decay energy of 5.935 MeV (12 times more!) and an alpha particle mileage of up to 0.4 mm in human tissues, the half–life of 225Ac is 10 days. The time of complete decay of these isotopes is not difficult to calculate yourself. Both of these ionizing radiation have different effects on the organic cells of the body, gradually accumulating in them to critical values, leading to the death of a living cell. Thus, the prostate cancer cell is simultaneously affected by two different radiation sources, in total significantly increasing the therapeutic effectiveness of this therapy. The optimal dose of activity of one or another isotope for treatment is determined by a radiologist, depending on the aggressiveness and prevalence of the process in the patient's body.

When researchers from the Heidelberg Institute (Germany), the founders of PSMA therapy, faced the problem that the radiation power of 177Lu was insufficient for particularly aggressive types of prostate tumors that could mutate much faster than the radiation dose critical for their vital activity accumulated in them, they found a solution in the form of a more powerful isotope 225Ac, which loaded the ligand PSMA-617 and began to conduct experimental treatments on volunteers with aggressive forms of prostate cancer. In 85% of these patients, after the first administration of this rfp, PSA decreased by more than 50% and there was a positive trend in instrumental imaging methods. But after three infusions at a longer time interval, patients began to experience side effects that sharply worsen the quality of life and, first of all, xerostomia of a very high degree.

And so, in 2019, specialists of the same institute in Heidelberg proposed a tandem scheme for the administration of drugs 177Lu – PSMA-617 and 225Ac – PSMA-617 in half doses of isotope activity, for a short period of time, which demonstrated a good therapeutic effect with minimal side effects on the lacrimal and salivary glands! Here is one of the early studies on this topic: link.springer.com/article/1... ?fbclid=IwAR1nUMPrdRBsyAsN3gweEiJCUgbV7XB8P8u5lt__3gfzufNjoc2IN67Atw4

I started my journey at the end of 2016 with the starting values of PSA 1850 ng/ml, pT1cN1M1, G3, Glisson 8 (4+4) with total lesions of the bones of the skeleton. Having passed all standard methods of treatment: 6 courses of Docetaxel, hormonal therapy with anti–androgens of the first and second generation against the background of ADT, I managed to reduce my PSA to a value of 24 ng / ml with unchanged T = 0.087 nmol / L., which very soon began to grow rapidly. And at the beginning of 2020, when I developed resistance to all known antiandrogens, on the advice of my doctor, I began to look for experimental treatments using the PSMA ligand labeled with the isotope 225Ac.

According to the criteria of quality and safety, I started my search on the website of the European Association of Nuclear Medicine (EANM) among the medical nuclear centers that have received accreditation of their equipment in this organization according to this list: earl.eanm.org/centres-of-ex...

According to the criteria of reasonable price and close availability, I chose the nuclear medicine center at the National Oncology Center of Azerbaijan in Baku, which was also included in the joint testing program with the Cancer Institute in Heidelberg. The cost of one course of therapy with all the necessary laboratory and instrumental examinations, including: blood tests, one PET test/CT with PSMA or FDG, two studies for SPECT and the therapy itself – was 6.000 EUR. For comparison, the same therapy in Germany with all the necessary research, accommodation in the ward and meals – would have cost me about 15,000 EUR at that time.

As a result, I bought a plane ticket and flew to Baku…

To be continued, follow my publications!))

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Currently, due to ongoing clinical studies with a new FAPI radiotresser in the diagnosis of breast cancer.. - therapy using the PSMA ligand at the Nuclear Medicine Center in Baku has been suspended. For those who are interested, I will inform you about the resumption of treatment for prostate cancer, which should begin soon.

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Hi Bro,

Have you considered trying the tE2 gel or patches that some of us are using?

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Hello, Ron!

Thanks to you, my friend, I got acquainted with Estrogel and now she periodically caresses the inner surface of my thighs before going to bed..))) But, seriously, I am still using this transdermal gel with courses of 1.5 mg E2/ day for a month, then a month break, etc. I am doing this consciously and so far exclusively to increase estradiol in the blood to normal values for strengthening bones, muscle mass and the cardiovascular system. I recently read research here that long-term, continuous ADT for two years after radiation therapy significantly prolongs the time to X-ray progression.. Conditionally, I believe that the PSMA therapy I have undergone is the same irradiation as with remote radiation therapy, only from the inside and targeted.. For this reason, I will continue Zoladex 3.6 mg/45 days until July next year, when my two years expire! P.S. Last time I sent a message to your Natalie through you.. Had she read it??

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How did you send the message for Natalie? I don't recall seeing it?

I bet that your "Estro" is beautiful since you are a handsome man!

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My friend, don't scare me! I understand that you are now completely immersed in the upcoming winter, but you should not already sprinkle your head with ashes, which I wrote to you in a reply message and which you even marked as liked ..)) In the same message there is a text in Thai!

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I thought that we sent you a reply? I must be losing it mentally!

I'm looking for it on HU, in a PM, in an email, and on FB?

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No.. I've just reviewed my mail again, even got into the trash can ..)) There is no letter from you and Natalie!((

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Copied to the chat on HU!

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Interesting. I look forward to reading the rest of it. Would this combination work for a person with heterogeneous PCa or just all PSMA positive disease?

Are you considering using Olaparib utilizing the PARPi effect? If the SSB is impaired the cells can’t use NHEJ.

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Hello, SHH696 ! I love genetics and especially the area of it called epigenetics. But I have not delved so deeply into the processes occurring during the repair of damaged DNA by homologous recommendation, so that it is so easy to have a conversation with you about non-homologous end connections in violation of unilateral modulation ..))) But I understand what you're talking about! Yes, I believe that taking Olaparib, like other inhibitors of poly (ADP-ribose and polymerase (PARP)) enzymes, significantly increases the therapeutic effectiveness of PSMA therapy in the presence of mutations in HRR genes. I will dwell on this in more detail in my sequel and perhaps from an unexpected side for you! Thank you for your interesting question!))

Thank you very much, I know that acPSMA is not very effective when you have biallelic BRCA2 deficiency, the cancer cells have adopted NHEJ. So, PARPi and acPSMA should be effective. Currently I have PSA 0.17 on Olaparib for 18 months, but it will soon rise. Wait with the PET scan until passing 0.5 because of sensitivity. Had a CT recently, clean, but the micrometastasis will not show. Very interested in your follow up!

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In Russia, the diagnostic rfp 18F - PSMA-1007 is approved for use, its lower threshold of sensitivity for PSA is significantly lower than that of 68Ga - PSMA-11. I passed this study at PSA = 0.065 ng/ml, but I had with me the files of my last control study with control foci at PSA = 0.650 ng/ml for comparison. The results showed that not a single focus with pathological accumulation of ditagnostic rfp is reliably detected in my body. And God grant us all good luck on this thorny path! Amen!

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