Is CBD or mirtazapine withdrawal the culprit

[DR650SE]

I have had very intrusive tinnitus for 18 months ,I have weaned myself over 8 months from 7.5mg to 2.5mg of Mirtazapine

Ten days ago I stopped the mirtazapine completely at a dose of 2.5 mg

.In order to help me sleep I took CBD oil for 4 nights.

It was excellent and I slept well.

Unfortunately the tinnitus has dramatically increased in volume and I mean dramatically

Could it be withdrawal symptoms because of the mirtazapine or it could be the CBD with 0,0025% THC

A friend of mine swears by it and it does not affect his tinnitus.

There are many success stories for tinnitus using CBD but there are probably contrary stories as well

There are scientific papers that say that cannabinoids can increase tinnitus in rats but I don't know the dosages

I would like to think that the mirtazapine is the culprit and that in another couple of weeks the tinnitus will drop back in volume but I am not betting on it

I am using pink noise at present to help me manage

I will be interested to hear other viewpoints if possible please

Thanks

DR650

[Happyrosie]

you can see the British Tinnitus Association view on CBD oil on their website.

[DR650SE in reply to Happyrosie]

ThanksI know that they are not supportive but it does seem to work for many people

[Happyrosie in reply to DR650SE]

and there have been comments here that they are a waste of money

[Happyrosie]

sorry I pressed reply before saying …. If you take something and it doesn’t harm you but it feels as if it’s doing you good, then why not take it. Other than the cost. The placebo effect comes in.

[DR650SE in reply to Happyrosie]

Well it definitely makes you sleepI have had this confirmed by so many independent sources

The first and only time that I took it in the morning my T dropped right down in volume as it settled my nervous system

However after 4 days my noise increased

I am hoping that Mirtazapine withdrawal is the culprit and that the CBD is the solution Time will tell

[BlackpooLWelsh]

I have noticed when im feeling anxious my tinnitus increases and annoys me more, my audiologist sais that when you go into fight or fright your body will pick up on the tinnitus more and it can end up in a vicous circle, hopefully it is just the withdrawal of the mirtazapire and it will settle down.

[DR650SE]

Thanks for replying

i am starting think that it is the mirtazapine and if the oil works it will be the cream on the cake

[Philip6]

I’ve tried several brands and strengths of CBD oil and it did nothing whatsoever. I know some people swear by it, but for me it was a waste of money. I take a 5HTP pill an hour before bed, that helps me sleep.

[DR650SE]

Thanks for the replyI shall give 5HTP a try if the oil doesn't work out

[Karlos99]

I tried supreme cbd oil and it made my tinnitus worse. It look about ten days after stopping to go back to how it was.

[DR650SE in reply to Karlos99]

I think that it depends on the brew A friend of mine says that his brew doesn't aggravate his T at all and he swears by it

I shall give it a go again but I am encouraged that yours went back to what it was

I appreciate your reply

[DR650SE in reply to Karlos99]

For me ,but not for others possibly ,the THC in the CBD oil is the problem

Initially the T seriously ramped on Day 4 of taking CBD/THC drops

Wasn't sure whether it was Mirtazapine withdrawal of CBD/THC

Gave the CBD/THC a break for a week

Took the CBD/THC again with some trepidation last night and ended up with jet engines roaring in the brain

If I am trying again I would take 100% CBD and 0% THC

I might add that my wife has mild tinnitus as well as a friend who has tinnitus fairly chronically and the CBD/THC doesn't affect them in any way luckily

As with all tinnitus reactions ,it depends on the individual and it doesn't follow a predictable behavioural pattern

I am not condemning CBD/THC but it just doesn't work for me because of the tinnitus perception

I am only sharing my personal experience

I would give pure CBD with no THC a go ,when things settle down for me

[DR650SE in reply to Karlos99]

Hello Karlos99

I hope you don't mind me asking you a bit more about your CBD oil which worsened your tinnitus?

How many days did you take it for until you realised it was a problem and stopped taking it?

Was it pure CBD or CBD/THC ?

How much did you take daily?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated

Thanks

DR650

[Karlos99 in reply to DR650SE]

Hi there. It was called supreme cbd oil. It’s full spectrum and contains 0.14 % thc. Did a bit of research and this was really highly recommended. It was a while back but I think it was 20 drops from the tincture under the tongue. That’s about half full. I took it for 4 days and noticed the increase in tinnitus. That’s when I stopped. Maybe it works for some people and the tinnitus increase was something else. I thought it best to stop though. Good luck with what you decide to do. Any more questions just ask. All the best and keep us posted

[DR650SE in reply to Karlos99]

Thanks

Your experience virtually mirrors mine .I had 0.11% thc and after day 4 ,I was rattled by the noise.

I stopped it immediately

I foolishly waited for another 4 days and took 5 drops last night .At 2am in the morning ,I had jet engines screaming in my ears.

I just hope like hell that after 10 days I go back to baseline as you did

Appreciate your feedback as you are the only member on the forum so far that has had a similar experience to me

[Karlos99 in reply to DR650SE]

no problem mate fingers crossed for you.

[DR650SE in reply to Karlos99]

Fingers crossed absolutely

[Karlos99]

no problem. It comes down to the individual. What worked for one person might not work for others. All the best.

[DR650SE]

ThanksThe forum is a great asset

[777john]

Iv never heard of cbd oil but i was on mertazapine for 8 months which took my anxiety away and calmed my tinnitus down i was on 15 mg went down to 7.5 for 5 days then stopped taking it all together and had no withdrawal symptoms my tinnitus increased a few months later for what reason i do not know . Tinnitus will always baffle me it seems to have a mind of its own thank god for habitation because thats the only way forward your tinnitus will fluctuate over time it will calm down again.

[DR650SE in reply to 777john]

Thanks for your comments Really appreciated

T is baffling

I can't work out why it so variable

[scamp12]

Hi hope it works for you I am just about to try some cbd oil now so will post my result (if any!) . I have had high pitched whistle tinnitus since my covid booster 10 months ago but getting to grips with it now.9out of 10 first couple of months but now 4 out of 10 and sometimes it does not get my attention. the book Living with tinnitus by Laura Cole was a great help by the way well worth a read. Please post how you get on with the oil and good luck!

[DR650SE in reply to scamp12]

I shall be very interested to see how you go .I am going to give it a go as well to make me sleep.The T has sensitised my nervous system I lie the whole night with strong heart beats and do not even drift of the sleep at all .Not even for 5 minutes

This was the situation before I started Mirtazapine .Now that I have stopped I am back to square 1

[psycholady666 in reply to scamp12]

My t was also following my fourth covid booster.

[DR650SE in reply to psycholady666]

I got mine after my first astrazenica. Health Authorities will dispute that but it is more than a coincidence

[TinnitusUKPat Partner]

Mirtazapine is a pharmaceutical product which was subject to years of research and testing before it was made available to the public. CBD oil has no such structured testing protocol and is supplied by an 'industry' which is slow to comply with regulations on safety for end users:

food.gov.uk/news-alerts/new...

I know which one I would feel more confident in using.

[DR650SE in reply to TinnitusUKPat]

Thanks for the tip

[BlackBoxRecorder]

I'm trying to come off Mirtazapine to see what effect it has on my T. My T came on after a very stressful time, though I tick the boxes for several possible causes. T pre-dates my use of Mirtazapine, so not caused by it, though it may be a factor, hence trying to come off. Worth a try. I was on 30mg, dropped down to 15. My biggest worry is sleep too. The Mirtazapine helps knock me out at night. I've always had problems getting over to sleep.

[DR650SE in reply to BlackBoxRecorder]

I stopped mirtazapine at 2.5 mg but now have chronic insomnia again I just don't sleep night after night even although exhausted

This is what made me take mirtazapine in the first place

I just don't understand why Mother Nature doesn't take control and at least give me some sleep

Strong heartbeats in bed make sleep impossible

[TMotown]

I took Mirtazapine for a year due to extreme anxiety, panic attacks and insomnia brought on by Tinnitus and Hyperacusis. I must admit it did help me to sleep so there was a short term benefit. However, I suffered with some nasty withdrawal symptoms when I came off Mirtazapine, chronic insomnia for one and then my Tinnitus ramped up to incredible level of noise, it was quite scary. This is documented as a withdrawal symptom which I didn’t realise. It’s taken months for things to calm down, personally I would never take them again. Good luck with your withdrawal, things will improve in time. If you need support there is a Mirtazapine withdrawal group which is very helpful.

[DR650SE in reply to TMotown]

Thanks TMotownI have been following your earlier posts and am really grateful for your reply

When you stopped Mirtazapine what was your dosage please?

All the best .DR650

[TMotown in reply to DR650SE]

I stopped at 7.5 but a dose every other day as advised by the GP, however this is not the current recommended guidelines for tapering which should be slower. There are new NICE guidelines available about tapering from this type of antidepressant. Not everyone has bad withdrawal symptoms , I think it’s about 50% of people, unfortunately you never know until you start to withdraw

[DR650SE in reply to TMotown]

The Mirtazapine Support group say that jumping ship at 2 5 mg is even too high .

[psycholady666]

which brand if the oil has belped you sleep -?if you font want yo say is it purchaseable ‘ on the highstreet’

[DR650SE in reply to psycholady666]

Artaban

[DR650SE in reply to psycholady666]

A lot of people swear by it .

I am very sensitive to medicine so I am probably the problem

[psycholady666]

Thanks