Another health guru goes down in flames

[MBAnderson]

It reflects poorly on Stanford University School of Medicine.

I never thought much of him anyway.

"Andrew Huberman’s Mechanisms of Control The private and public seductions of the world’s biggest pop neuroscientist."

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[Larochka]

what a shame, seams like the WEF “sejncoship” trying to eradicate anyone who’s standing up, going against Big Pharma brainwashing general population agenda.

[alexask in reply to Larochka]

Agreed. Somewhat of a hit piece. He didn't have the best upbringing so probably has attachment and trust issues. It is a pattern that anyone who stands up to power such as Assange, Brand and Tate get labelled a sex pest.

[MBAnderson in reply to alexask]

Personally, I don't excuse his behavior. It seems pretty clear he behaves arrogant and entitled. 5 women simultaneously. Be that as it may, he distorts studies/health information which is not attributable to childhood issues, but is mere greed and avarice.

[busters_dad in reply to alexask]

Andrew Tate? You think there is anything GOOD about Andrew Tate? No one needed to lie or write a hit piece about him. He's garbage.

[MBAnderson in reply to busters_dad]

npr.org/2024/03/12/12380869...

[busters_dad in reply to MBAnderson]

My reply was meant for alexask. Their post seems to imply that Tate is not a guilty megalomaniac, but is being framed. Tate isn't "standing up to authority", he just thinks he's above ALL authority.

[MBAnderson in reply to Larochka]

I am anti-big pharma as much as anyone, but I am equally against "health gurus" who distort studies for their own financial gain - same reason we are anti-big pharma.

[chartist in reply to MBAnderson]

Marc,

I remember when you posted a video of this guy and Brad Stansfield doing this hit piece on melatonin :

youtu.be/c7fH4o4XA6I?si=kpv...(Not working as expected?)

I told you then, neither one of them had really done any real research on melatonin and now I see why, he was a bit too busy trying to ruin other people's lives to actually do the required research and Stansfield was just parroting every non fact he said! If you're going to put forth information as though you are an expert putting down facts, then both of them should actually do their homework or just stick to what they know.

It leaves you wondering just how much research he is actually doing for any of his video podcasts?

What a pair of......

Art

[MBAnderson in reply to chartist]

So true and thanks again for straightening me out about Stanfield

So much of their "advice" is sensational just for the clicks/attention.

[Bolt_Upright]

He does seem to be quite an arse, I personally don't listen to Huberman, but being an arse does not make him wrong in his podcasts. You got me looking Marc:

Why All Geniuses Are Jerks? Today we will answer a question that quite frequently comes ups hen we talk about successful and very smart people. If you ever felt like a kid you met in school or a colleague at work is although very intelligent but somewhat arrogant, you might be right. There's a scientific reason or that and we will talk about why!

youtu.be/LCTo8DbTX7c?si=HV4...(Not working as expected?)

[MBAnderson in reply to Bolt_Upright]

" ... but being an arse does not make him wrong in his podcasts" I'm not so sure about that.

Can having a "screw loose" in one area of one's personality affect their decisions in other areas? I think so. His deceiving women goes along with his deceiving the public re health info.

[Bolt_Upright in reply to MBAnderson]

I was mostly hoping that video meant that I might be a genius

[MBAnderson in reply to Bolt_Upright]

ha

[MBAnderson]

youtu.be/ANW3daJggoQ?si=LkB...(Not working as expected?)

[park_bear]

Not surprised by the information in the article. I had a negative intuitive reaction to this guy. Interesting to discover it was valid.

[MarionP in reply to park_bear]

I sort of did too but you know I never could put my finger on it, didn't understand why or where it was coming from, except like that other guy the foot doctor, how somebody can get so erudite and sage and guru about so many different areas all having nothing to do with his own specialty... This article really kind of help give a sort of handle, if that's the word. Also made me think about old style Mormons and some of the downside of having three or four or five or six wives when the society isn't there all structured to make them all fall into your lap and have to go out and construct it from a bunch of modern women. You know on the 60s those people who would be on variety shows spinning all those plates? Except this might be the same thing except all the plates are in different rooms. Makes me tired all over again. And that was just his personal life! Where does he find the time?

[Boscoejean]

I was going to read the article but it appeared that a person had to sign up for the magazine to actually read the whole article.

web.archive.org/web/2024032...

[ghoegap]

Well ok, I watched his videos , especially the sleep related videos. Did not notice anything off or peculiar in what was said. At a certain point stopped watching but just because the videos were so lengthy and dense. I can recall a video on cold exposure that seemed to chime with what so many others were saying and doing.

[andy_diggs]

I know a number of very successful and intelligent people with strong narcissist/control tendencies. They are often extremely good at what they do career wise, specifically because of those tendencies. My motto, take what you need from what they offer, as long as you can stay the hell out of their circle of control. I have followed Huberman for a while now and I think he is genuine about the science and wanting to get the info out there. It maybe for significant ego reasons that he does that, but that does not necessarily undermine the quality of the info. Like all this stuff, I take the info and then try and corroborate it with other studies confirming the same thing.

[MarionP in reply to andy_diggs]

Yep, agree very much with you, hit the nail on the head.

[Eryl]

This hit piece just goes to prove the lengths that Big Pharma and Big food will go to silence anyone who threatens their dominance by empowering people to take charge of their own health.

[MarionP in reply to Eryl]

The addictive power of potato chips, Mama sodium glutamate which is one powerful neurostimulant and neurotransmitter which is in everything and overdoses you to the point that your taste buds are all burned out after the second bite... And then it rolls you right into the same addiction cycle that the lady was describing, the researcher from Stanford, and it perfuses personality, habits, food issues, it's all about the dopamine but that branches into just about every aspect of our lives because addiction is actually one of the core models of a great deal of our behavior and a lot of learned behavior and non-associative learning, gambling, underlies a lot of behavior and business has made extremely good use of it, applying it in commerce, meaning us.

[Eryl in reply to MarionP]

And our goverment and regulators condone it.

[Trig27]

This article was garbage. Gossip. Imagine if it was reversed and Sarah's identity was exposed and Huberman's identity was protected. No one would care about the story.

[MarionP in reply to Trig27]

Yeah I was wondering about that the whole time. Quite the double standard. There's a show about these girls too, I think it's called sister wives, or maybe it's reality show about the one guy and his three or four different wives was on bravo or A&e or something like that, I was was very amused cuz the guy was very careful about his physical appearance, he looked like those headshot portraits of the white long flowing blonde hair bearded Jesus Christ you see on some people's walls and in churches especially Protestant and those charismatic and Southern Baptist ones, that guy looked like that all the way through the series and I just knew it was intentional, it's how he saw himself and marketed himself, the long suffering sexy Jesus having to herd cats among these wives and kids. Anyway this article also reminded me of how Amber Heard crafted that article that originally got her in such trouble over here... It worked real nice for her in England but blew up in her face here, jumped the shark type tail to the me-too bandwagon. People are strange, just so weird. Sounds like this could be a pitch basis for a new reality TV show, kind of like one of those Vanderpump Rules spin-offs.

[MBAnderson in reply to MarionP]

if you can recognize Vanderpump Rules spin-offs, I think you're watching too much TV😉

[MarionP]

Curious article, a very gentle nice hit piece, very interesting though. The article seems to be what it reflects Huberman as. Got to wonder who this mystery "representative" is. Kind of like an episode of Star Trek, the original one, the episode was called "Mudd's Women." Decent writing but I don't know what the message is supposed to be, it paints him a pretty consistent picture of someone who has had his capacity for intimacy severed like a lobotomy and which is exacerbated by his very high intelligence, makes him seem like what we call a covert narcissist where both intimacy and introspection is of great interest to a very bright person, but is always frustratingly short circuiting, as is much pursued deeper satisfaction, always short circuited because, well, that's how narcissism works. Plenty of stupidism neglect told about parents and broken homes and their effect on childhood and adolescence goining into the unresolved adult, especially very bright ones. But not nearly as vicious as the sociopathic internet doctors we talk about here regularly hawking their wares and their theories and their diets and their stuff they sell you...(Insert name here please because I can't remember them all, I have to recognize them by seeing their name somewhere and then I can talk about them and how they all fit all this schema, they're all over YouTube and their names have come up many times here). Has with her account of the dopamine pattern a very nicely articulated consistent and accurate description of what in the very early 1980s we rudimentar-ily (is that a word?) called "opponent process," was the beginning of appreciation of within became termed as "endorphins", all that started, of all things, with research into color vision in cats. That's 45 years ago and here we are today talking about neurotransmitters, dopamine, addiction, pleasure pathways, everybody knows about dopamine now when nobody even knew what dopamine was in 1980 and only barely started having clues about it in 2000 when we started realizing dopamine blocking was the basis for treatment of schizophrenia in florid psychotic disorders by blocking down dopamine, look where we've come since then. Oh, and if you're interested, there are three really great books, same author Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind, The Anxious Generation, and The Coddling Of The American Mind.

[MarionP]

Same school as Sam Bankman Fried and his parents, you know when you read about the parents and about SBF then boy it's like you had an "irony cigarette," only when you lit it it turned out to be a firecracker. Stanford must be quite the place when you think about it.

[MBAnderson]

It is true that much if what all health gurus say is accurate. (Even con man, screw ball Anthony Williams (of celery juice fame) has videos of himself blending vegetables.)

The trick is trying to figure out what parts of what they say can we believe?

Once I find a health guru intentionally distorting or even being sloppy with the facts, I write him off because we are not (except park_bear, Art and a few others) in a position to make such distinctions.

[park_bear in reply to MBAnderson]

Thank you very kindly for the compliment.

In general I'm skeptical of expert commentary, because even if they are honest and acknowledged experts in the field, they can be mistaken on specific issues. I certainly agree that those who have been shown to be dishonest or ignorant should be disregarded entirely.

[kaypeeoh]

So the dude likes women. That doesn't mean his writings on dopamine are false. Maybe he needs the dopamine surge that comes from sleeping with a lot of women. That might be better than ice-cold showers. Or staring at the morning sun. I took a shower and left the water running too long. In a few moments the water went from steamy-hot to tepid to icy-cold. I tried gritting my teeth and tried tolerating the cold but couldn't do it. I practice HIIT on a treadmill and practice AHT to stimulate autophagy and take B2 along with Rytary. I'm not sure the other 50 suggestions are worth the effort.

[RBDNoPDYet]

Are we really just writing this guy off because his ex-girlfriend (who remains anonymous) says he cheated on her?

[chartist in reply to RBDNoPDYet]

I wrote him off because he put insufficient research and incorrect information into his video on melatonin and played it off as good science when newer research which he didn't find for some reason proves him wrong. See my post above for a bit more info.

Art

[RBDNoPDYet in reply to chartist]

Well, that makes sense!

[Greensnail]

From an article written by a scientist:

"His wildly popular podcast claims to make science more understandable while giving you simple, “zero-cost” protocols for your health. The appeal Huberman offers is obvious: control over our health when it feels like we have none.

In reality, his podcast is focused on pseudoscience: He often makes claims that appear scientific but lack evidence, plausibility, and validity.”

Source: slate.com/technology/2024/0...

[chartist in reply to Greensnail]

My sentiments exactly! He talks a good game, but given his lifestyle, he doesn't have the available time to put the proper research into his articles and it is very apparent in the one I linked to above.

Art

[Bythejerseyborder]

I will still listen to his podcast. I'm a big fan. Some people just hate others having success.

[MBAnderson]

You haven't read Greensnail's link, have you?

[MBAnderson]

Is Self-Help Guru PhD a Womanizer and Pseudoscientific Nonsense Broker? | Andrew Huberman Analysis

youtu.be/ANW3daJggoQ?si=wIr...(Not working as expected?)