I seem to wake up at 03.15 every morning , no symptoms of AF or increased heart rate . Is this normal. Don’t really get any symptoms of AF

[Kerleyhead]

initially diagnosed with atrial flutter but after 2yr changed to Atrial Fibrillation. The nocturnal waking at 3.15 am has been happening for over 10yr and a smart watch picked up irregular heart beat 4 yr ago when diagnosed. Is this nocturnal waking normal

[CDreamer]

Nocturnal waking to go pee is very normal when you are in AF. I think you do well if it is only one waking. My average is 2-3 - approximately 1.00am, 3.30am and 5.30-6.00am. I go straight back to sleep as soon as head hits pillow - are you saying you stay awake?

[Kerleyhead in reply to CDreamer]

Yes I find it difficult to get back to sleep . Been happening for over 10yr and diagnosed with a fib for 4 yr. It’s as if you set an alarm. Pulse. It raised resting pulse of 71 and fit bit does. It detect increased rate .

[CDreamer in reply to Kerleyhead]

It sounds as though you now have insomnia ie: you have now got into a habit of not sleeping and like any habit, hard to break.

Suggest your look at CBTi which is about retraining the brain as to when to sleep. It also sounds as though you are quite anxious and this background anxiety is what is setting the ‘alarm’ - I think resting pulse of 71 is also within normal range but your body is sensitive to the change and maybe your brain needs to learn to ignore these triggers.

I do not think it normal to not get back to sleep on waking and you need to find strategies to help regain sleep patterns. Try looking up CBTI - developed at Harvard and there are now quite a few practitioners around offering courses under a brand called Sleepyhead in the UK or online courses.

[WildIris in reply to CDreamer]

My understanding is that there is a hormone that keeps you from waking up to pee, but it fades away as you age. So its not unique to AF, happens to (almost?) everybody.

[CDreamer in reply to WildIris]

That may be true however when the heart is in distress it produces a hormone called atrial natriuretic peptide (ANP) which tells the heart to regulate body fluids - hence the frequent peeing. Insomnia is also about habit and circadian rhythms.

[mjames1]

Quite normal.

[secondtry]

I'm 71, latest AF test 7% of the time, I wake 2-3 times a night for a pee. More difficult to know why than even the reason for AF!! I suspect though it is rather like AF in that it is caused by not one but a combination of factors in my case and the 'cure' has to be very individual.

[Tomred in reply to secondtry]

Hi secondtry , can i ask you to equate 7 per cent in how often that is , ie daily/weekly, just curious, thanks.

[secondtry in reply to Tomred]

Over 2 days whilst on a 48hr monitor. I am in Surrey (England) and found the monitor experience and report very useful.

[Tomred in reply to secondtry]

Thank you.

[AKatieD]

Magnesium before bed seems to help

[Omniscient1]

Yes I'd say it's normal. I wake at around 3-4 ish It's quite possibly nothing to do with the AF either. Have you tried to get referred to a sleep clinic?

[babs1234]

consider sleep apnea. I was diagnosed last August, now on the CPAP and my waking is a lot less and I get back to sleep easier

[50568789]

I wake 3 to 4 times per night for a pee, it's often a lottery if I can get straight back to sleep or not. Tried all the deep breathing and sleep music things, no consistency in results. My latest target is reducing salt intake in food, but of course it's so pervasive. Even Gaviscon Advance is dosed up with it. However, currently enjoying a spell of better sleep, hoping it might be having an effect. Atrial flutter in hiding for the time being - until I go upstairs too quickly!

[TCMG]

It's not normal. You have a liver problem.

[WildIris in reply to TCMG]

Not sure why you say that. You joking? It's entirely normal especially for older people, or anybody who takes in too much fluid.

[kitttycat in reply to TCMG]

Not so sure I understand your comment either, its about retraining ones brain (proven studies) and bladder strengthening.

[gstedders]

I wake every morning at 05.30. Investigations by me has shown that bisoprolol is known for stopping the production of melatonin. If I can’t sleep I take 3mg of melatonin. Don’t rely on your GP for a prescription but the pills are available on the internet.

[Peacefulneedshelp]

It is called bewitching hour. It could be a lot of things, bad dream? what did you eat before bed, allergies? Your liver's time to cleanse itself meaning it is circadian rhythms. Look for a chart you will understand. what protein did you eat? the real answer is who knows for sure. since I stopped eating factory farmed chicken I don't get up in the middle of the night to pee. I started making my own Lactobacillis Reuteri yogurt and I sleep better. Tons of things that disrupt sleep or help sleep,

[DawnTX]

I agree I think this is normal. I don’t think it has anything to do with my a fib, etc.. I’ve been doing it since before I got my pacemaker and for me 3:12 AM seems to be my magic time. It’s not even to run to the bathroom all of a sudden my eyes just pop open.

In a way I like it because before the pacemaker and a fib, I woke like this but then with a fib all I wanted to do was sleep 24 seven. I don’t stay awake very long when I wake up now, but it is honey. It’s always around the same timeframe.

my parents used to be up about four in the morning, drinking coffee

Us talking about this might be good because I have a feeling there are a lot of other people on here that are doing it as well. Recently, I read something about people that wake up around that time our chosen special people, and we are supposed to be thinking or doing something that not everyone can do for others. Now I don’t know how true this all is but again it’s the magic time of morning.

one thing I love about being retired is if I want to lay down and take a nap I can take one lol. When I was someone that worked with me would decide to go under her desk and take a nap whenever she felt like it employers tend to that lol

if you’re not having pain or problems and you just happen to be awake, try not to think or worry about it. We have so many other things to be concerned over if there’s nothing to be worried about then don’t worry.

get some rest when you can my body clock has always been weird because I worked overnights for a very long time be happy, feel good

[Afibtastic]

For me it 4am. Maybe a southern hemisphere time thing. Not too often but enough to think something has changed in the last year or so. I thought maybe Xeralto could be the cause. I wake and think it is 6am and feel rested. Then I realise my mistake. I can go quickly to sleep or toss and turn for an hour. If I do fall asleep after an hour of struggling then I wake at 8 or later and feel like shizen.