Is there science concerning OMAD (one... - Advanced Prostate...
Is there science concerning OMAD (one meal a day), or TRF (time restricted feeding) specifically for PCa?
In my case, fasting 2 days before each of 15 Taxotere chemos in 2015 helped offset most side effects. Still doing it with my second round of Taxotere rechallenge. And I do a a daily 16 h IF(Intermittent Fasting osher.ucsf.edu/patient-care...
If you want to study Intermittent Fasting thoroughly and from most authentic source..read the January issue of New England Journal Of Medicine. It has lead article with all great studies about Intermittent fasting and its effects.
Great article, and looking forward to in-depth reading today. Thanks for alerting me to it. Got the free access at NEJM (2 free articles a month) Easy to register. I've been Keto/OMAD for 18 months now and it suits me very well. It would be very difficult to do vegetarian in keto version. But OMAD could be accessible to everyone.
I do vegetarian Keto. Lots of walnuts, olives, coconut oil, some keto protein (Orgain keto), guacamole, beyond beef, guacamole, a small amount of berries and veggies, a Bolthouse Keto drink. I got about 3000 calories a day the last time I did Keto. Later this month I'm going to do OMAD/Keto. I'm planning on a lower-calorie Keto this time.
Glad you are doing keto. All keto including vegetarian is good. Be careful of beyond beef, which includes seed oils. Do you eat seafood?
Usually no seafood. Just a vegetarian Keto thing.
Sometimes I'll have salmon during the Keto though.
You're right that Beyond Beef has some ingredients that aren't great for PCa. But I enjoy it. I'll have a couple of ounces with some guac. Makes me feel like I'm actually eating a meal.
Ugh. I wish I hadn't read that. 🙄I love the Beyond Meat sausage. Usually put into sauces, stir fry, or with sauerkraut.
My knee jerk reaction when I got PCa was all-out vegan. I did it for about a year, but found it was just too austere and I needed a little more protein and variety. Now, mostly veggies, nuts, beans, grains, etc.. and some fish and sardines.
If you love that sausage why not eat real meat?
Did you know that 200 years ago before seed oils entered the human diet, coronary heart disease was unknown and the first report of heart attack was about 1910 to 1920?
I run on saturated fat and cholesterol.
I believe these oils are slow poisons like cigarette smoke.
Chris Knobbe MD has YouTube and a great book about this.
Besides the seldom to occasional BBQ, I eat salmon and sardines a few time a week. I generally don't eat real meat (especially red meat) because I've read that it will (can?) cause systemic inflammation... and a lot of what I read suggests that a whole food plant-based diet is best for overall health. The Beyond meats are an acceptable meat substitute, but they are processed and maybe not be any healthier than meat. Perhaps just confirmation bias in what I choose to read and believe.
Most of the research that I have seen points to the same thing: increased inflammation.
A few times a week I have a couple of ounces of beyond. Might be just as bad as red meat but I enjoy it and it's such a small amount that I don't think it's going to make much difference.
The rest of my diet is quite clean.
Seafood is great. I have at least 4 oz every day. But I eat a meat based keto and my Hi res CRP is 0.3, meaning very low inflammation.
We evolved to eat meat and fish. Agriculture is but a blink in the evolutionary history. As I mentioned before, Lierre Keith on YouTube and
The Vegetarian Myth is a riveting account of her struggle to be vegan,
Until she realized a better way and she explains that vegan goals are not achieved by that way of eating.
If you enjoy Beyond, why not have a little?
I was a bodybuilder a few decades ago and my primary protein choice was beans and rice. Makes a complete protein. I weighed 235 with single digit bodyfat. So my calorie requirements and thus protein were huge. I'm full vegan and get a little B12 in supplements (methylcobalamin). Also a little methylfolate. And some iron bisglycinate (according to NIH it is about the only form that is highly bioavailable and safe for PCa).
Yes, I agree. I still eat Beyond periodically, but not as much as I used to. I'll also have meat on occasion - like good BBQ ribs. But generally whole food plant based. I weigh in at about 200 and didn't feel like I was getting enough food with the vegan diet. Probably because I wasn't very knowledgeable or creative.
You must have been eating a lot of beans and rice to maintain that physique at 235. 😳
A giant pot of rice and beans every day. I'd start eating in the morning and pretty much have to eat all day long until bedtime. But I'd get up every night to get something in my stomach.
Weighing that much is hard. No way do I ever want to do that again.
I stand corrected. The hat is an excellent approach to Keto/OMAD.
I have read some of Valter Longo’s work. Pretty interesting in terms of fasting around chemotherapy and the timing of fasting and medications. You could probably Google him.
I've read a lot of his work. Interesting stuff. I have done an FMD a number of times in the past. I'm planning on doing a modified one this month.
That is great! I haven’t done the FMD yet but I am really considering giving it a try. It makes so much sense. Longo is a guru in the field
I wrote up a post and have some info on FMD in it: prostatecancer.health.blog/...
IF and TRF, do you guys work in radio?
Stereo. That made me recall that, years ago, Bob Buck, announcer for the UofA Wildcats football team, told me that I had an announcer's voice. More recently the owner of a plant nursery close to me told me the same thing.
Hey RSH1!
In your link under the heading of, "The Science Behind Fasting and Cancer", the first of the four bullet points, "decreased blood glucose production", has an effect similar to Metformin, berberine or an AMPK supplement by limiting nutrition, the fuel, cancer cells use to grow.
How does the rest of the "machine" we call our bodies run? Does it need an oil and filter change? Synergy is often more important than any one thing be it treatments or medications, foods, supplements or even an attitude or connecting with one's spiritual side.
There are some interesting articles on line. One is by the Osher Center for Integrative Medicine at UCSF titled, "Cancer and Fasting/Calorie Restriction | UCSF Osher". The link wouldn't copy for whatever reason--??
I'd be wary of any extreme fasting. I would think, it would need some preparation and someone to monitor the fast.
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In reality, for me, I have too hard of a time doing any type of fast longer than a day. I just get too hungry and can't sleep at night.
You raise a good point. I think metformin and berberine work well with OMAD/IF. I'll take a look at that article. Thanks!
Saw this on another site: nia.nih.gov/news/research-i...
Here is another article if someone is considering to do more than just intermittent fasting journals.plos.org/plosone/a...
Thanks. Looks like they did 250 calories a day. That's hard to do but certainly not as difficult as zero. Plus you can get some nutrients and fiber.
I fast all the time............. I'm always hungry, that's why I eat as fast as I can....
Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.
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I eat seafood and meat everyday, I am experimenting in moving beyond salmon and tuna and trying Portuguese sardines, canned mackerel smoked oysters and others. Trying to get my Omega 3 from seafood rather than fish oil.
Also canned Icelandic Cod Liver.
Good for Vitamin A.
Research Algal Oil. I also like to get most of my nutrients via food rather than supplements. Algal Oil is one of the exceptions for me.
I gave up fish oil and cod liver oil for Omega3. Just eat plenty of seafood and avoid seed oils which are filled withOmega 6. I avoid processed foods
Which are filled with 6’s and do my own cooking.
