The address above leads to an unusual story about a 29 year old male 'cured' of a bad attack of a. Fib. Its the vagus nerve again. Can anyone cast light on this?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21769... - Atrial Fibrillati...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21769254/
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I think I've seen this before on here this year. Very interesting though.
Not as extreme as electro cardioversion
Arseholes 😊
🤣🤣🤣 I wasn't even going to read the article until I read your response and then curiosity got the better of me.🤣
Well, that's one way of getting to the bottom of it. It would be a bummer if it didn't work though ......and I wouldn't want to be the butt of any jokes about it. Ok, I'll leave now 🤣
Ps....... I'm just going to check with hubby if he's up to the task if AF rears (sorry for that one, couldn't resist another 😁) it's head again.
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I had seen this odd paper a while back. The link with the vagus nerve is still controversial, so far as I know, and my thoughts at the time were that a finger inserted in the rear end could cause many other effects, both physical and psychological, that might have stopped the chap's AF.
Steve
Qué? 🤔
When I read it, I was thinking that to attribute it to changed vagal tone was not the only possible attribution to make since for some (maybe many) increased sympathetic tone could well be the result.
Steve
Yes, I now understand your serious point, but it leaves the sufferer perhaps not knowing whether to "stick or twist".🤔🤣 Probably both is best!
I even found this quote from a research article ...
"Vagal stimulation appears to play a dominant role over sympathetic stimulation in chronotropic effects on the isolated heart. The innervated isolated heart preparation is a valuable model to study the complex mechanisms underlying the interaction between sympathetic and parasympathetic stimulation on cardiac function."
Unfortunately it was a study involving rabbits!
bob
I used to work with doctors carrying out trials and, I can tell you, their conclusions aren't always as intelligently reached as the final study might imply. It took me a while to realise that. Peer reviewers are intended to iron out any wrinkles but I have a suspicion that for many of the less important or smaller trials and studies, even that is more cursory than it ought to be.
Steve
And there's a huge controversy now about all kinds of published material that's not up to scratch.
I think that is in the more suspect journals. I read recently how many smaller foreign colleges and universities are essentially getting people to publish all kinds of nonsense, too.
Nothing surprises me. It suspect it's an aspect of the online world in which fraud and deceit seem at times (to me) to be the mainstay of it. When I read some of the claims made for what are deceitfully called "nutraceuticals" my eyes roll.
Steve
It's getting worse. Latest on Amazon are book which purport to be genuine biographies of famous people and when you get them they are a cut and paste of the persons wicki page. I suppose they can evenclaim 'not guilty' at that.
Does this mean that having a colonoscopy can cure your AFib???
🤣🤣🤣 It must have been the shock of it
The vagus nerve is a very important main nerve in the body. I have used 2 frozen water bottles, one under each arm to try and cool the nerve in the hope I’d convert back. None of the other manoeuvres worked. Not sure I’d resort to a rectal probe though 🤣
