No problems since my jab on Monday and the arm is fine now. Only slight problem is that I seem to have developed even less patience than usual with covidiots and people with Poo brains. I think I'm with Tigger on this?
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Pleased all is well post jab with the exception of patience. Heaven knows how i would cope post jab as my covididiot patience threshold is zilch already. I would be a raging mess post jab.
Phew - this virus/vaccine malarkey is challenging all our tolerance & patience levels.
Tigger had a point.
Yep - that does it for me every time too. I was fine until last evening when I developed a slight headache and achy limbs and felt tired. Paracetamol to the rescue.
I know a couple of Covid deniers. It’s when you’ve spent hours explaining, using logic, and sending links to scientific evidence, (which of course they don’t bother to read), that you then realise that you’re never going to get through to them, that all your efforts were a complete waste of time ... the futility of trying to reason with idiots! I’ve given up 😞
Sorry to sound like Eeyore 😆
As we say in motor sport" if you make something idiot proof they will build a better idiot".
Lol 😂
Quote by a forest ranger at Yosemite National Park on why it is hard to design the perfect garbage bin to keep bears out, but also allow tourists to use it. “There is considerable overlap in the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.”
Love it
I think I may have met that Yosemite ranger. Many years ago I was offered a job there by a husband and wife team which I wish I could have taken up but would have had to wait months to become a US citizen. I was ready to buy myself out of the Royal Air Force to take up the offer but unfortunately they wanted the vacancy filled within a short period of time. Maybe I should have done all the above on the off chance of getting a future vacancy but I didn't. So many chances that would have changed our lives considerably. However it may have been that having taken that road I wouldn't have met my 2nd wife after the death of my first wife and both my sons would have stayed in the UK so I may not have the two lovely grandsons I have in Florida now. On the other hand ... ... ... ... ... ... ... I could have a relationship with one of those intelligent bears where we could discuss covidiots? LOL
Sounds as if you made the right decision Des, you seem a lot smarter than even the very smartest bear lol 😂
Did you stay in the RAF until retirement?
Yes. I stayed in until my retirement, I managed 36 years. This happened about 13 years prior to retirement and was a Seasonal Park Assistant post counting flora and fauna which I was fine with as would have had a smaller pension at the same time. It was the lifestyle and environment which would have been wonderful. Anyway - couldn't be done. enjoyed my life anyway.
After being a ‘memsahib’ in Hong Kong (husband at the time was attached to a Gurkha regiment) he resigned his commission to take over his father’s farm. So I went from being an officer’s wife to a farmer’s wife ... such a massive difference in lifestyle, but oh so worth it. My three children benefitted enormously from the fresh air, stability and freedom the farming life gave them. Can’t say it was easy though, and we missed the army life for years after.
WOW! Where's the farm? Hope its somewhere nice? You do miss the life and the comerarderie - the humour definitely!
So true Des 😊
We left the farm (which was in Suffolk) after 20 years, and moved to North Yorkshire. Marriage lasted over 25 years. Now on my second husband 😆 who’s a retired hospital doctor ... been very happily together for 20 years.
One day I’m going to write my memoirs, if only for posterity ... for my children to read 😆
Sounds as if your memoirs would be very interesting 😊
Oh fantastic you went back to God's Own County - the county where I was born and bred. Just as I joined the Royal air Force our family moved to Staffordshire and later on to Hampshire. I have been all over the place but mainly lived in the Oxford area but my last tour was in Cornwall but was enchanted by some farm outbuildings near my 2nd wife's birthplace when we went there for a family wedding - bought them did them up - conversion had been done in 1981 so enhanced them and moved to Wales. Just recently moved out of those old buildings into a brand new house 3 years ago in the next county further towards the M4 (for a quick getaway ha ha). The difference in the insulation and efficiency of this new house is amazing - though 20+years on if I was doing the outbuildings again of course would be using new technology for heating and insulation just didn't want to go through it all again - though often pine for the fantastic views from our old lounge. There was an old irrigation lake at the bottom of the garden where we were visited by swans. Don't miss the large garden, fruit trees and a very long hedge I had to trim though! I think it a good idea for every one to write some form of memoir - it doesn't have to be a book just a general outline of your life and a few funny stories and important events. I knew and spent a lot of time with my grandparents - even though living in Yorkshire with one set near was easy I was also packed off on holidays to my other set of grandparents in Reading but feel I never really asked them enough about their early lives and then failed to do the same with my parents so now my children and grandchildren know hardly anything about the life and times of their grand parents. All very interesting because of different cultures and religions making a big impact on the family - well we wouldn't be hear if it wasn't for religious clearances firstly from Poland and then from France.
Wow, so interesting.
I’ve got so much to say in my reply, lots of parallels, I’m going to message you soon. Won’t write it here as I don’t want to bore Bob, who already knows much of my life story 😂
Is that your grandsons in your profile picture? Gorgeous 😊
Yes those are my two grandsons but they are now much bigger than that the youngest one with the darker hair is now 13 and the eldest 16. I think they may have been about 10 and 7 in that photo.
You can't win an argument with an idiot.
I find the idiots are the people that always and forever only look down the one path and can't see all around them
We used to run a club and when it re opens we do not want any idiots who have not had a jab. Our average age is 60-85 so we can not take chances. I wonder if the people who do not want it now, if and when they think they do, how easy will it be to get a covid jab.
Good point. Sounds as if vaccinations might become mandatory with airlines too ... that should do it!
Mankind as far back in history as I can see strived to live life free when freedom of choice is taken from people it's basically a slavery we live in to call someone an idiot
Having mine today 
I think Tigger has a whole new army and I have been in it for quite a while. Don’t even get me started on how people are wearing masks and what part of you must cover nose and mouth they don’t understand. Out of the blue my GP rang Tuesday morning asking if I wanted my jab (I’m only 68) and 30 minutes later she was on my doorstep with it. Capt Tom had just passed away. I found it quite poignant and gave thanks to Capt Tom for all he had raised and done for people in general. In reality we had had lots of snow and I guess people couldn’t keep appointments so surgery didn’t want to waste vaccine and I’m only 5 minutes from surgery. Whichever, I am very grateful. A slight aching arm and that’s it. Anyone seen Eeyore? xxx
Well done that GP and all the NHS staff who are doing a brilliant job.
in reply to Frances123
So happy for you. My daughter in law is an old persons advocate and she was rung and told she had 15 minutes to get to surgery as they had two spare vaccines. 👍
Advise not listening to the news - interviews are idiot-ridden.
Had my vaccine (Pfizer) on Monday and apart from a lead weighted arm for a day or so feel fine. I am on flec and bisoprolol so was a bit concerned but shouldn’t have been
I do hope mine wasn't some placebo in error then - I had absolutely no effect whatsoever. Why a 'lead weighted arm'?
My arm felt like it was heavy probably caused by a bit of swelling. It wasn’t an issue as that was the only side effect I’ve had
My arm hurt a lot, felt cold and shivery for a couple of days and tired still. The doc said you seem to get a stronger reaction if you had COVID-19 previously but compared to the list of ‘possibles’ my reaction was mild. We haven’t been as careful as some so I’m sure we’ve been exposed at some point.
The arm pain is caused by the immune systems response to the jab but it is only a transient effect. However not everyone who has the vaccine gets the arm pain. In the trials for the vaccines people who had arm pains were fairly certain that they had received the vaccine rather than the placebo. There is a similar effect with the flu jab sometimes you get arm pain and sometimes not. Steve
I think it is just the slight bruising from the needle in most cases just as the flu jab does similar. I had three years of monthly hormone implants in my stomach for cancer treatment and I can tell you what I would prefer. Think grain of rice injected. lol Like a damned stapler machine!
Maybe I'm just very used to injections. I have a B12 injection every 3 months, and the annual 'flu one.
I had my jab yesterday, and no problems, just glad to have had it.
I bet I can beat your lack of patience. It drives me absolutely nuts. Not saying that everyone shouldn't have the choice but that shouldn't be based on false info or because they think their DNA is going to be changed into something resembling a monkeys or they're going to be chipped and followed about.....etc etc, I think I've heard them all and its beyond frustrating.
I do not believe any of these conspiracy theories. However I am undecided about the vaccination as there cannot be any data on possible medium and long term consequences of the vaccines given that they have only been given a few months ago. Another very dangerous precedent is the intention of rewarding those who were in the placebo arm of the Pfizer vaccine trial with the vaccine! This means that medium and long term consequences will be impossible to assess.
Sorry my reply was meant for nannysue
So you know for cert that your DNA etc isn't going to be altered how can one be so sure I'm sorry but it's usually quite awhile before anyone knows if there are long term effects from anything you simply can't jump the gun everything you put into your system has an effect sometimes that effect turns out not to be so good then you say why didn't I wait russian roulette was never my forte
We have very strict regulators and superb scientists and health workers, who are all having the vaccine. This does not alter your DNA, too complicated to explain, however if you google the vaccine, it will explain how it's made. I appreciate that some people are wary but it's just as well that the vast majority put our faith in all of the brilliant scientists that we have here in the UK. If we all refused the vaccine where would we be. I suppose you'll have to just let the rest of us be the Guinea pigs and wait to see if we all grow extra arms, legs or turn into chimpanzees etc etc etc.
Ok as long as your 100 per cent sure I've no more to add it really would not so und too complicated to me if you were to explain
Look up reverse transcriptase. Extra arms , legs etc are a ridiculous exaggeration but epigenetic changes leading to onset of autoimmune disease are not.
They say that messenger RNA cannot affect DNA. This is not strictly true. It is very unusual but there are circumstances in which it can happen involving an enzyme called reverse transcriptase. I think I read somewhere that this can happen with HIV . It can also be engineered in a laboratory.
You sound open minded to me my kinda person
A short story ...... I received medication from my gp for a particular complaint and on a 2 week follow up visit my gp asked was I taking any kind of medication mmmm I told him what he had given me and he replied that he wouldn't have given me that medication for that complaint this is true I'm glad he never give me something that may have grown a new set of ears and then tell me that he wouldn't have prescribed that when it was too late if you get my drift
I love your comment ....brilliant 👏👏
I just can't believe some of them. In this country we do have access to the truth but it seems that in other countries many don't have much access to science and truth or any discussions and are swayed by what they read or what someone else has read on face ache or are told by unscrupulous people. That is sad.
Anyway, have my jab on Friday going to suss out the route - as we are not quite sure where the centre is exactly, when we go to collect our groceries this evening.
I think the problem is that in this country (like most if not all others) we dont necessarily have access to the truth via biased media and government spin and duplicity. The result is that an awful lot of people are justifiably cynical about what thsy are told. Science itself has also been shown to be less than perfect in a number of areas (look at dietary advice and medical arguments re. Statins for starters) so this leaves people in a difficult position re. What to believe. The internet is too full of information and it can be difficult to work out what may be true and what may be false so its unsuprising that we have so many fragmented and opposing beliefs.I will be hoping to get a vaccination soon (hoping for the more traditional Oxford jab) after researching as best I can, but am aware my research may not be correct - only time will tell.
Yes. Its true. It is difficult if you don't have access and also difficult sorting it out when you do. Also results change over time. As many things were considered wonderful when first found and everyone given it and then found it can be lethal to some - nothing is 100% and we are dealing with humans so everyone is different and will react differently for all different reasons - not always physical. Its hard.
Unfortunately we cannot rely on the bodies that are meant to protect us. The FDA is a prime example. They have licensed many drugs on the info provided to them by the drug companies that later turned out to be dangerous and had to be withdrawn from the market . In many cases it turned out once the companies were forced by court cases to reveal their data that they knew all along about the problems with these drugs but went ahead and poisoned people anyway. The FDA drag their feet time after time putting black box warnings on drugs. They receive a large part of their funding from Pharma and operate a revolving door employment model which ensures that their real client is not the American public but industry. They are no more to be trusted on vaccines than they are on drugs . You only have to look at this latest nonsense from Pfizer on how many doses can be squeezed out of covid vaccine phial to see that the bottom line is profit.
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I think there’s a lot of truth in that ectopic1. It’s far more complicated than it looks, and I agree that it’s important to listen to opposite points of view. But this is such an important issue, and there’s too much at stake. I agree too that a lot of denial is caused by fear, and complying with social groups ... there’s no easy answer.
P.S. I’ve read the paper about motivated ignorance ... very interesting 😊
Or in a word censorship
See what you started 🤣🤣🤣
(Yeah,but did it hurt when the chip went in,lol.
I am in panic mode 🤯 my vaccination is due on Monday, snow is forecast for Sunday and I fear I won't be able to get to the surgery for the vaccination .When it snows here I can't even get up the hill to the main road let alone the 5 miles to the surgery town.
I had to wait 10 days from notification to get an appointment for the vaccination and if I cancel that could mean another delay and a longer wait to get my broken fillings and specs fixed 🙁
Don't preempt things, you know how unrelaible the met office is. Go with the flow.
No snow to mention here this morning so got there ok 😀 phew....
So relieved the vaccination is done, I have been waiting for it since March 😲
I can't believe anyone would turn down having the vaccination, I feel so lucky to be living in a country that has them available ...
Just recently our NHS let out that they had 60 no shows at one centre in 12 hours or so. I tried to reach them this morning to enquire about my wife's jab because a lot of people in our street are having the jab together because one is shielding etc (as my wife is) and we had been told we would get our jabs within the same time frame. Mine is at 4pm. The number for enquiries is the same as that shown for cancelling the appointment and it isn't in service - so, that may account for the no shows without cancellations - I have tried 3 times to contact them thinking that there may be a fault - it doesn't matter because we will be there this evening so will ask but you can see that many would give up after a few tries at calling to cancel.
Sorry my reply was not meant for you hit the wrong button here
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