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I am an advocate of people being given the tools to do their own research on the health disability they live with. One of the tools needed is the ability to stand up to the psychologists and psychiatrists. Hence this article.

I recently went to a University public engagement meeting on Health and Well Being issues. At this meeting was an experienced psychology researcher. They said that they had provided treatment to people with psychological issues. They said they had done this without any knowledge of what happiness was. The psychologist then as an expert wanted to produce a research proposal to explore what happiness was. They asked for suggestions of how to explore this subject. Their conduct gave me the impression that they were very dismissive of people’s behaviour and realisations outside their narrow cultural experience.

Many people on Painconcern have been on the receiving end of the psychological profession at pain Clinics. I wonder how much of the psychological presentation is actually based on the whole person in pain? I wonder how much is based on theory that has never been adequately checked across the various coping and management strategies that people may have developed? The Pain Clinic Pacing concept is something I have problems with. Pacing is a theory which concentrates on activity and length of activity rather than what body movements are involved and how we move at a particular time. It tends to ignore the need for careful observation of what is actually taking place at the time it is taking place. I have met a number of psychologists who have worked for pain clinics. Some of these psychologists could not grasp that pain can vary in a pain sufferer for good physical reasons. They held to the theory of pain nerves not being able to switch off.

I have done some research into what is known about problems with researched psychology. The problem was far worse than I could possibly imagine before my research.

WEIRD Psychology

Many of us on Painconcern have experienced issues regarding psychology and the psychiatric labels that have become attached to our medical records. I have come across the acronym WEIRD. WEIRD is an acronym for Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic. I will keep referring to the WEIRD acronym. WEIRD psychology is useful for enabling challenge of the professionals .

Behavioural scientists routinely publish broad claims about human psychology and behaviour in the world’s top journals based on samples drawn entirely from Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic (WEIRD) societies.

“A 2008 survey of the top psychology journals found that 96% of subjects were from Western industrialized countries — which house just 12% of the world’s population . Strange, then, that research articles routinely assume that their results are broadly representative, rarely adding even a cautionary footnote on how far their findings can be generalized. The evidence that basic cognitive and motivational processes vary across populations has become increasingly difficult to ignore. For example, many studies have shown that Americans, Canadians and western Europeans rely on analytical reasoning strategies — which separate objects from their contexts and rely on rules to explain and predict behaviour”

Taken from:

The Neglected 95% Why American Psychology Needs to Become Less American by Jeffrey J. Arnett of Clark University. Full article at:

people.auc.ca/brodbeck/4007...

“When it comes to replicating studies, context matters” is an article published on May 23, 2016

It says: “The results showed that context ratings predicted replication success even after statistically adjusting for methodological factors such as effect size and statistical power. Specifically, studies with higher contextual sensitivity ratings—where, for instance, altering the race or geographical location of study participants could alter the results—were less likely to be reproduced by the Reproducibility Project researchers.”

at medicalxpress.com/news/2016...

Reproducibility Project

“Brian Nosek of University of Virginia and colleagues sought out to replicate 100 different studies that all were published in 2008. The project pulled these studies from three different journals, Psychological Science, the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, and the Journal of Experimental Psychology: Learning, Memory, and Cognition, published in 2008 to see if they could get the same results as the initial findings. In their initial publications 97 of these 100 studies claimed to have significant results. To stay as true as they could the group went through extensive measures to remain true to the original studies, to the extent of consulting the original authors. Even with all the extra steps taken to ensure the same conditions of the original 97 studies only 35 of the studies replicated (36.1%), and if they did replicate their effects were smaller than the initial studies effects. The authors emphasized that the findings reflect a problem that affects all of science not just psychology, and that there is room to improve reproducibility in psychology.”

Taken from

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repro...

The following was published in Nature in Nature volume 466, page 29 on 01 July 2010.

“Experimental findings from several disciplines indicate considerable variation among human populations in diverse domains, such as visual perception, analytic reasoning, fairness, cooperation, memory and the heritability of IQ. This is in line with what anthropologists have long suggested: that people from Western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic (WEIRD) societies — and particularly American undergraduates — are some of the most psychologically unusual people on Earth . So the fact that the vast majority of studies use WEIRD participants presents a challenge to the understanding of human psychology and behaviour. … The evidence that basic cognitive and motivational processes vary across populations has become increasingly difficult to ignore. For example, many studies have shown that Americans, Canadians and western Europeans rely on analytical reasoning strategies — which separate objects from their contexts and rely on rules to explain and predict behaviour”

www2.psych.ubc.ca/~heine/do...

This applies to many on Painconcern. We are living with particular health disabilities in particular environmental circumstances which are possibly unique to each person. We report our health disability in contextual sensitive environment - the medical consultant’s room. We manage our pain and discomfort in environmental contexts - our homes, our families and our preferred social groupings. These contexts are often ignored by the professionals who may rely on analytical reasoning strategies which separate objects from their contexts. I think I have met this time and time again without realising this is what was taking place during the various consultations I have had.

We are living with particular health disabilities in particular environmental circumstances which are possibly unique to each person. We manage our pain and discomfort in environmental contexts. These contexts provide a unique set of issues that interact with each other in unknown and unpredictable ways.

I also suggest that a number of medical consultants have used psychological theories that they have come across to make a clinical decision to modify what we tell them. These modifications are recorded in our medical notes. And we often do not know about these modifications.

Difference between Qualitative Research and Quantitative Research

Qualitative Research is primarily exploratory research. It is used to gain an understanding of underlying reasons, opinions, and motivations. It provides insights into the problem or helps to develop ideas or hypotheses for potential quantitative research. Qualitative Research is also used to uncover trends in thought and opinions, and dive deeper into the problem. ... The sample size is typically small, and respondents are selected to fulfil a given quota.

Quantitative Research is used to quantify the problem by way of generating numerical data or data that can be transformed into usable statistics. It is used to quantify attitudes, opinions, behaviours, and other defined variables – and generalize results from a larger sample population. Quantitative Research uses measurable data to formulate facts and uncover patterns in research.

Taken from

snapsurveys.com/blog/qualit...

Quantitative Research can only report on data that can have numbers attached to them. A lot of what I have experienced cannot be given a number let alone a description that can be shared across the various medical disciplines. Also how the numbers are recorded is carefully defined. So issues which are not in the data recording strategy get ignored and not recorded.

What are the implications? The implications are we are being defined by psychological and psychiatric papers that are not using enough people who have lived experience of the issues that we are living with in a qualitative manner. Qualitative research may be in depth, but not enough people are being investigated in a qualitative manner to obtain the various differences in environmental conditions that exist . Qualitative research also tends to ignore the different language usage of the invited participants Thus wrong conclusions are often being applied to people with a health disability. We are getting treatment regimes that are not based on the reality that we may experience. If we question the psychological treatment regime we are regarded as non experts who do not have the expertise to make sensible treatment proposals.

References to longer articles

What follows are references to longer articles. Many of us do not need to reference them. Some of us in order to defend ourselves from the “all in our head accusations” might find some of what is said in the articles useful. Particularly those of us who live with the exhausting side effects of pain, discomfort and lack of sleep. These side effects create a sub group of people who have very different reactions to things than the WEIRD population that a lot of psychology is based on.

The following extract:

“Behavioral scientists routinely publish broad claims about human psychology and behavior in the world's top journals based on samples drawn entirely from Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic (WEIRD) societies. Researchers – often implicitly – assume that either there is little variation across human populations, or that these “standard subjects” are as representative of the species as any other population. Are these assumptions justified? Here, our review of the comparative database from across the behavioral sciences suggests both that there is substantial variability in experimental results across populations and that WEIRD subjects are particularly unusual compared with the rest of the species – frequent outliers. The domains reviewed include visual perception, fairness, cooperation, spatial reasoning, categorization and inferential induction, moral reasoning, reasoning styles, self-concepts and related motivations, and the heritability of IQ. The findings suggest that members of WEIRD societies, including young children, are among the least representative populations one could find for generalizing about humans.”

was taken from

cambridge.org/core/journals...

which in turn was reporting on

www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/...

is a copy of BEHAVIORAL AND BRAIN SCIENCES (2010), the article is 75 pages long and discusses many different society groups.

doi:10.1017/S0140525X0999152X

researchgate.net/publicatio...

Is pdf article on the “Estimating the reproducibility of psychological science” in Science of 28 Aug 2015

This has as part of its conclusion the following:

“After this intensive effort to reproduce a sample of published psychological findings, how many of the effects have we established are true? Zero. And how many of the effects have we established are false? Zero. Is this a limitation of the project design? No. It is the reality of doing science, even if it is not appreciated in daily practice. Humans desire certainty, and science infrequently provides it. As much as we might wish it to be otherwise, a single study almost never provides definitive resolution for or against an effect and its explanation. The original studies examined here offered tentative evidence; the replications we conducted offered additional, confirmatory evidence. In some cases, the replications increase confidence in the reliability of the original results; in other cases, the replications suggest that more investigation is needed to establish the validity of the original findings. Scientific progress is a cumulative process of uncertainty reduction that can only succeed if science itself remains the greatest skeptic of its explanatory claims.”

plato.stanford.edu/entries/...

“Reproducibility of Scientific Results First published Mon Dec 3, 2018” It discusses science was facing a “replication crisis”.

“The crisis often refers collectively to at least the following things:

a. The virtual absence of replication studies in the published literature in many scientific fields. ...

b. The widespread failure to reproduce results of published studies in large systematic replication projects. …

c. The evidence of publication bias. ...

d. A high prevalence of “questionable research practices”, which inflate the rate of false positives in the literature, and the documented lack of transparency and completeness in the reporting of methods, data and analysis in scientific publication.”

ebm.bmj.com/content/ebmed/2...

Catalogue of bias: publication bias in BMJ Evidence-Based Medicine, April 2019 | volume 24 | number 2 | by Nicholas J DeVito, Ben Goldacre

“Dickersin and Min define publication bias as the failure to publish the results of a study ‘on the basis of the direction or strength of the study findings’. This non-publication introduces a bias which impacts the ability to accurately synthesise and describe the evidence in a given area. Publication bias is a type of reporting bias and closely related to dissemination bias, although dissemination bias generally applies to all forms of results dissemination, not simply journal publications. A variety of distinct biases are often grouped into the overall definition of publication bias.”

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Bananas5

Very good

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Amk31

This is good.

Like most medical professionals think speaking to a pyschologist will solve our issues and haven't a clue the devastating impact that chronic pain can have on a person.

Like of course a person is going to be depressed being in pain and how can a person be happy if the majority of time the chronic pain has no cure.

How is a person meant to be positive. From a psychological reasoning, I am like someone else is worst off but doesn't stop a person feeling the way they do.

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katieoxo60

Well John another good article, but I however feel the professionals should read our thoughts on their opinions. Long term chronic illness comes in many guises, plus often long term symptoms one of which can be long term pain added to which many potions for pain have undesirable side effects, making you feel even physically worse. There are horrendous waits for investigation results then another 18 week wait to see a specialist unless you have suspected cancer, so for a thing like a knee op it takes upto a year to get a treatment decision for what might be a cure to some pain. It is normal to be unhappy if in pain . Heres an example knee has a meniscus injury , oh this is all in the mind if the patient comes back maybe we might do an MRI scan , 8weeks after referral MRI occurs after a complaint, results can take up to 12weeks to come through no matter how bad the pain is. During that time you try a Nsaid called naproxen and end up with an upset stomach, making you weaker still and depressed besides doctors messing you around with lies about your health, but not once do they suggest anti depressants or a mental health referral because that takes even longer to get an appointment. After a six month wait thus far it takes another 18 weeks to see an orthopedic surgeon. Because of other illness or pills they take many patients can't even go on research to speed up the process. If you go to a walk in or A&E you get told off for not contacting the GP, incase someone forgot GPs don't work for NHS at weekends. Illness can occur any day of the week. Looks like the future will be down to "push doctor" seems they can get GPS for online services 24hours a day at a cost or suffer in silence. Do patients have any rights? because most doctors in my experience do not seem to follow the NHS constitution which does give us new rights over the other old fashioned routes doctors used to follow. Reminder doctor is supposed to work to manage patients illness in conjunction with the patient not play god anymore. To do this it requires information of the diagnosis , proposed treatment in order to give informed consent. Correct diagnosis is the important point and beleiving the patient if the drugs concerned are contra indicative not just the attitude we are all the same and if it doesn't work we must be "MAD" as it works for others. You know me John I could tell you a thousand stories on this subject, and I do have a past mental health record but no consultations since 1992. Thats a long time. Another aspect of the pain issue is what activity you are doing that causes pain, or in the case of gout pain is worse with overexertion and exertion span is different for everyone, it much the same for breathing difficulties or asthmatic coughs. It is important to know what increases the person health problem like stress causes more chest pain, lifting weights above your head stresses shoulder joint pain, and climbing stairs but pressure on an injured knee increasing the pain. Hope I did not bore you with this long post. Have a lovely day .

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johnsmith in reply to katieoxo60

Thanks for the reply. What you said was useful. It was difficult to read. It needed a paragraph structure to separate the ideas. We are taking on the corruption in the system which takes advantage of our lack of skills in defining things. We are providing evidence that things need to change. We are giving people on this forum the words with which to challenge.

I put in a paragraph structure for some of what you have written and copied it below. I found it easier it is to follow and read with the paragraph structure? I like what you wrote. With a paragraph structure another member on the forum can easily copy the useful words with which to challenge their medical professional. With the paragraph structure the issues show themselves whereas in the long non paragraph piece the issues can get hidden. The paragraph structure shows the tremendous stress that is present with the waiting times. At it shows the buildup of stress upon stress. The system as it is at the moment does not recognise the buildup of stress upon stress.

You say:

Well John another good article, but I however feel the professionals should read our thoughts on their opinions. Long term chronic illness comes in many guises, plus often long term symptoms one of which can be long term pain added to which many potions for pain have undesirable side effects, making you feel even physically worse.

There are horrendous waits for investigation results then another 18 week wait to see a specialist unless you have suspected cancer, so for a thing like a knee op it takes upto a year to get a treatment decision for what might be a cure to some pain.

It is normal to be unhappy if in pain .

Heres an example knee has a meniscus injury , oh this is all in the mind if the patient comes back maybe we might do an MRI scan , 8weeks after referral MRI occurs after a complaint, results can take up to 12weeks to come through no matter how bad the pain is.

During that time you try a Nsaid called naproxen and end up with an upset stomach, making you weaker still and depressed besides doctors messing you around with lies about your health, but not once do they suggest anti depressants or a mental health referral because that takes even longer to get an appointment. After a six month wait thus far it takes another 18 weeks to see an orthopedic surgeon.

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katieoxo60 in reply to johnsmith

Brilliant reconstruction without any loss of context, thats what it is really like. My freinds daughter went to hospital with what was supposed to be an hernia 12 weeks later she was gone very sad but an example of where waiting can fail the patient and be fatal.

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nannalu

This is a well thought out article. Individuals suffering chronic pain cannot be ‘pigeon holed’, as there are too many day-to-day variables.

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waylay

I was diagnosed with Borderline PD 8 years ago. I can't tell you how many Drs have assumed that I was being "dramatic" or "manipulative", or that my pain is psychosomatic, including a BPD nurse!

Whether or not I actually have BPD (recently rediagnosed w/ CPTSD), my pain is still real. 11 years, spinal surgery, epidurals, steroid injections, radiofrequency ablation, residential pain management class, hundreds of hours (and thousands of pounds) of physio, massage, psych treatment, hypnosis, acupressure, hydro, osteopathy, and 11 years of meds... That's some pretty amazing manipulation! I should go into politics!

Also, how, exactly, does BPD predispose me to psychosomatic chronic pain? Even if it did, the pain is still real!

Argh.

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johnsmith in reply to waylay

BPD can predispose one to psychosomatic chronic pain. However, not in the way that a psychiatrist suggests.

My Post on Stress Breakdown Point

healthunlocked.com/painconc...

can give the reason.

You have gone over the stress breakdown point. Everything is falling apart. You now have the symptoms of BPD caused by the body's various engineering systems being over loaded.

By various feedback loops the behaviour in BPD mode together with the effects of the other engineering systems causes more pain and distress. The body musculature and fascia stresses are applying pressure to the pain feedback nerves as a result of the feedback loops. The pain feedback nerves sends messages to the brain about their discomfort. The brain registers this discomfort. The pain is real. The pain is caused by a real physical process. The problem is invisible to doctor's eyes, but very visible to an experienced sports therapist and massage therapist. These people from experience can see problematic muscle behaviour. The psychiatrist and doctor, who never use their hands to check conditions, make the assumption I cannot see anything so it does not exist. Because they have decided it does not exist then it must be psychosomatic.

The first international conference on fascia was in 2007 at Harvard Medical School. The behaviour of fascia under living conditions is outside the training of most medical people. This means most medical people do not know anything about the behaviour of fascia.

Hope this makes sense and I have been able to be helpful.

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waylay in reply to johnsmith

Yup, I hear that. If I had the money I'd be getting myofascial release....

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