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Hello, I haven’t felt like myself for over a year, started with acid reflux, swelling of hands, feet, eyes and cheeks then itchy skin, fatigue, slow movement, low mood. GP agreed to do blood test, nothing came up except high cholesterol. GP prescribed statins for high cholesterol, antihistamine for swelling and told me to take gaviscon for acid reflux!

After multiple appointments with my symptoms I decided to go down the private route as my gut was telling me something wasn’t right!

Both my T3 and T4 were low indicating hypothyroidism which private consultant confirmed! I took this information back to my GP who dismissed the test results, said they would need to do another TSH as T3 and T4 not an accurate indication for hypothyroidism! I’m exhausted going back and forth! Any advice?

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Welcome to the forum CookieRzasa

So we can offer better advice, can you share blood test results (with ranges in brackets) for:

TSH

FT3

FT4

Plus any antibody and key vitamin tests (ferritin, folate, vitamins D and B12)

….. it sounds like your GP is not very knowledgeable about thyroid health and testing if only looking at TSH…. Unfortunately this is all too common!

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SlowDragonAdministrator

Please add actual results and ranges

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested

Also both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested at least once to see if your hypothyroidism is autoimmune

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high TPO and/or high TG thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Significant minority of Hashimoto’s patients only have high TG antibodies (thyroglobulin)

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Post all about what time of day to test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

If GP won’t test thyroid antibodies or vitamins Private tests are available

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/testing/thyro...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

Symptoms of hypothyroidism

thyroiduk.org/signs-and-sym...

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

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CookieRzasa

Thank you for your quick responses. Results below

Ferritin (108) 30-207

Active B12 (150) 37.5-188

TSH (1.080) 0.270-4.2

F4 (8.9) 12-22

F3 (2.9) 3.1-6.8

SHBG (12) 32.4-128

Vitamin D (123) 50-250

Folate (17.6) 7+

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Jaydee1507Administrator in reply to CookieRzasa

If you want someone to get a notification of your respnse you need to use the reply button directly below their reply. I'll tag SlowDragon and Buddy195 so they know you have replied.

You're in a difficult position because the NHS and most Endo's place far too much importance on TSH, believing it to be the only true indicator of thyroid status. As thyroid patients we know this not to be true.

Your results look like central hypo or secondary hypothyroidism where the link between the pituitary and thyroid doesn't work. Usually with the FT4 & FT3 results that you have i.e. below range your TSH would be high but it isn't which is whats throwing your GPs off.

Have you asked for a referral to an Endo on the NHS? Unfortunately I think there are long waits at the moment. GPs have little experience of this and may not be aware of the issue.

What did your private Endo say? Is he offering treatment?

Unusually your vitamins all look good. Are you supplementing already?

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CookieRzasa in reply to Jaydee1507

Jaydee1507 thank you that’s helpful

I do supplement Vitamin D and have a good diet with lots of exercise until recently due to the low mood and fatigue.

Private clinic said they would treat with Levothyroxine however that comes at a cost and would be free through NHS however GP is challenging the results due to the TSH result despite extensive symptoms and the T3 and T4 result. Next NHS blood test can be done end of May, that’s another 4 weeks of feeling horrendous and having a huge impact on my day to day wellbeing, work and relationships 😔

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Jaydee1507Administrator in reply to CookieRzasa

Could you get your GP to write for advice from a local Endocrinologist? That would be the fastest route as GP unlikely to prescribe as little experience of secondary hypo.

I suspect it will take quite some time to get diagnosed on the NHS but you need to get your GP up to speed that its likely not primary hypo which is what they deal with all the time, but secondary hypo. Likely your GP/s are a bit out of their depth but they should get advice from your local Endo.

Point out that both FT4 & FT3 are below range yet TSH is normal.

This link explains a little about secondary hypo: rightdecisions.scot.nhs.uk/...

Actually the NICE guidelines state you should be referred urgently to an Endo if secondary hypo is suspected. cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo....

Some info on secondary hypo: palomahealth.com/learn/seco...

The trouble with going privately to begin treatment is that the NHS will always question the diagnosis if they don't agree with it, and it can cause problems in years to come if they insist you stop your treatment to prove your diagnosis.

Levo is pretty cheap to buy privately although obviously the cost of seeing an Endo is quite high.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to CookieRzasa

Are your vitamin levels naturally this good or do you supplement

If yes…..what exactly

How much vitamin D

Any other supplements

Low SHBG

healthline.com/health/low-s...

request testing for PCOS

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/poly...

Measure sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) — this is normal to low in women with PCOS and provides a surrogate measurement of the degree of hyperinsulinaemia.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....

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CookieRzasa

Jaydee1507 Thsnk you for all the information, really helpful.

I will suggest GP refers me to endo and mention the points raised above. I’m just so fed up of feeling like this and my quality of life is affected on a daily basis as well as having a knock on effect on my family. I wouldn’t choose to go privately however after speaking to the surgery I can’t get another blood test until end of May then it’s a week for results then arranging an appointment with GP to possibly get agreement for treatment where the private clinic have agreed treatment and can see them on the 15th May to get started with regulate pre scheduled blood tests.

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Jaydee1507Administrator in reply to CookieRzasa

They are treating you as if you may have primary hypothyroidism because they don;t know the difference.

Show them the NICE guidelines.

Good luck!

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CookieRzasa

Jaydee1507 Thank you, you have been very helpful. Much appreciated. Will let you know how I get on

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healthkiwi

Like Jaydee1507 says, you have to tell your surgery explicitly and clearly that "according to Thyroid UK" your recent tests show likely secondary hypothyroidism and the NICE guidelines say this requires an URGENT discussion with an endocrinologist . If surgery is nearby I personally would print the page from NICE, highlight the relevant lines, and say "this is urgent , or should you go to A&E to start treatment?" Or copy and send with a covering note to the practice manager. You've effectively already waited a year to start treatment , who knows what damage this is doing to you?

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CookieRzasa in reply to healthkiwi

healthkiwi Really helpful thank you. I wasn’t aware of do much information or the urgency! It’s frightening to think that this is so misunderstood and goes untreated. I will follow up with your suggestions.

I have always been very active and now some days I struggle to get out of bed due to fatigue and low mood. The weight gain, acne, water retention, puffy eyes, cheeks, hands and ankles has knocked my confidence and as you said goodness knows what other damage it’s doing.

Thank you again, much appreciated.

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Lottyplum in reply to CookieRzasa

I know yr concerned re cost for private prescription etc but if no joy on the GP front cos of their ignorance, would it not be better to start treatment+begin to feel better via the private route. I had to go private cos of GP ignorance+best choice I made. No longer look like Mechelen Man, walk every day, have more confidence, my hair is in much better shape+severe constipation dealt with. Even my nails are improving! That's just my story as a nearly 75 yr old after 40 yrs on levo+due to being a poor converter needed T3, which GP said was irrelevant - so you see what we are up against!! Trust you get the support you need from the NHS!

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CookieRzasa in reply to Lottyplum

Lottyplum Pleased to hear you have been able to get treatment and you are feeling better. Sorry to hear you had similar challenges!

My gut is telling me to start private treatment as there is no guarantee through GP and it means prolonging things even more. As time goes on more and more symptoms are coming up, my voice has changed I’m feeling the cold more and the weight gain despite a good diet and exercise is ever increasing!

Thank you for sharing your story I hope you continue to feel the benefits

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Lottyplum in reply to CookieRzasa

Since being with my private Endo had lots of blood tests+ autoimmune blood tests never had before, even tho diagnosed with Hashi decades ago after thyroidectomy. He wanted to get baseline+has rule out any further autoimmune issues linked to my thyroid (or lack of!). I pay for my own T3 (will cost me about £80 a year as I take 5mcg 3x a day). I don't want my GP surgery involved in my thyroid treatment so pay for my thyroid blood tests, too, as just TSH +/or T4 is totally inadequate. My husband totally agrees with this+supports me as he sees the wonderful health benefits. Go with yr gut + get well! 💪

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