Just thinking ahead - researching and learning... - My Ovacome
Just thinking ahead - researching and learning - Anyone know anything about the budwig protocol?
Hi Chrissy,
If you go to the cancer research website, and write in the search box "Budwig Protocol" you will find information on this... I am not in favour of the Budwig Protocol and I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this... and that is fine.....as each to their own..best wishes love x G x
I have used budwig and 4 years into remission (3c, grade3 carcinosarcoma) I still make flax oil emulsions with fruits to keep my balances right. I'm a vegetarian anyway, so it's easy for me.
The best information on the protocol is on the source website.
Good liuck,
Isadora
That sounds interesting, Isadora. Will take a look at budwig protocol on cancer research uk website, but I do like my food!
Eileen x
Hi Eileen,
It's not the cancer research uk site, it's budwigcenter.com/budwig-pro...
Bestest,
I.
Thanks. Will take a look at it, but I always feel happier looking at an independent reputable medical website rather than relying only on those who are already converted and may have a financial interest in something (not that I have looked at it yet!). Cruk website is informative about budwig diet also - have just looked. Good luck anyway - it seems to be working for you, and long may it continue.
E xx
Hi Eileen,
On the CRUK website you need to search "Budwig Diet" not Budwig Protocol
x G x
Yes, I found it. It looks as if it is the hemp seeds, not the oil, that have the anti-cancer effect, according to Cancer Research UK's opinion, but more research being done. I must say I don't fancy a strict diet! I will stick with ibuprofen!
E xx
Hi Chrissy,
I've been using the Budwig protocol for over 12 years. Although I know better ... I don't follow it 100% but I have the Budwig breakfast daily (without fail), have excluded bad fats, white flour, white rice, white bread and sugar from my diet. I eat lots of fruit and veggies. And yes, still in remission after finishing first line treatment for Stage 1V OC. Do the research and decide for yourself if it's the path you want to follow. Sandy.
Thank for your reply sandy. Likewise I don't think I could do any diet 100% but intend to do the same as you. You cannot imagine how heartened and lifted i am to hear your story that you have been in remission for so long - long may it continue. I feel more hopeful than ever. Best wishes. Xxxxxxxx. Chrissy
Its a great programn I have used for 3 months my skin hair and nails 100% better it may not cure you but keeps me in good health along with Rick Simpsons Hemp Oil look it up on u tube,I could not face more chemo.and hope this will extend my life as much as chemo. would have done.love Jenny
All the very best to you all doing well, pray may it continue - love from tina xxxxx
Hi Eileen,
You're absolutely right about the Aspirin and Celebrex, and maybe the zapper and the walking and on and on .... as all being 'reasons' for my prolonged survival. And then my poor Dr shakes her head at me because I'm still taking HRT, (supposed to be bad for us) but she agrees with my reasoning for not stopping it. Why upset the apple cart? Maybe it's all part of the mix that's keeping me here. Who knows? I just know I'm too scared to stop any of it because I'm doing what I have to do. However, I'd never say that others should do what I do, because after all this time I feel very strongly that the answers are different for everyone of us.
I often wonder about some long term survivors who survive without doing anything. They simply go through treatment, get into remission and put cancer behind them. Deep inside, I don't think I would have been one of those lucky women, but then who knows?
And then yesterday, I heard of a lady who recurred after 18 years in remission. I try to imagine how she felt to get such news after believing that the cancer monster was behind her? It must have been unsettling and devastating.
Just rambling here, talking and 'wondering' out loud. Like everyone (here), I search for answers and conclude that REALLY, there are none. So we simply enjoy every day as it comes, look forward to every new day with excitement and anticipation, and appreciate the blessing of good health for as long as we have it.
Love, Sandy (who certainly enjoys life to the fullest).
Hi Sandy,
I know what you mean about starting something and then not stopping, because who really knows what is working?.....about the survivors that don't appear to do anything, they "have" done something they have had treatment... it could be the treatment has worked..there is no point in giving treatment if it didn't or doesn't work at all, we know for some people this is the case.....for others they might just have caught it early..
I don't know of any survivors though that have done nothing at all, (but there might be some) like you said there are no answers and it is just one day at a time.
people like yourself are an inspiration to those of us that are not that far down this road... It does give us hope to know this.
Love and best wishes for a long and happy life x G x
I also couldn't handle the idea of a medical diet ie something so prescriptive! However flax seeds and flax oil also feature I the broader guidance in the anti- cancer book by Dr Servan Schreiber and I've been very swayed by that because it is more about outlining the scientific rationale behind simply making smarter food choices (proactively including foods which can be shown in lab or human small group tests etc. to demonstrably help improve resistance to cancer or recurrence of cancer) plus cleaning up your external environment to avoid carcinogens.
He makes the point that are no large scale trials of diet as treatment because nothing in it for the only funders of human medical trials - the drug companies. So everything is, by default, based on relatively small groups and much anecdotal evidence, plus lab test where they have looked at effects on cancer cells of particular chemicals derived from different foods.
To me it makes sense. His advice crosses over with some other cancer dietary advice I have seen but seems more comprehensive and flexible to create a personal regime, because its a collective wisdom approach. It spans the anti-inflammatory but but adds much more.
In summary
> General: aim for low meat diet, high in omega3 from fish and organic dairy, avoid refined carbs ( replace with pulses and whole grains - bread, cereals, bulgar, quinoa) and sugar. Vitamin D is flagged too, plus selenium from organically grown veg and cereals.
> base diet around protective foods as much as possible : green tea 3+ cups/day, soy and derivatives esp tofu, red berries, stone fruits, cruciferous veg, broccoli, mushrooms (esp. oyster), alliums (garlic/onion/leek), olives/olive oil, flax seeds and oil, ginger, nuts, cooked tomato (lycopene), carotenoids (carrot, squashes etc.), citrus, pomegranate juice, red wine, dark chocolate, spice combinations curry or turmeric+black pepper, rosemary+thyme. Baked fish, shellfish (not frozen), probiotics
> Environmental: organic only dairy, organic only veg/cereals, organic only fruit unless thick skinned, avoid nitrates (used in curing meat), avoid mass GM oils like sunflower oil.
> Lifestyle: support mind/body, avoid stress/positive attitude, make smart choices eg avoiding unnecessary radiation (mobiles etc) and other exposures, avoiding chemical cleaning products, cigarettes etc etc.
I still feel you can't go wrong by following the guidelines set out by CRUK .... the other diets out there are endless and confusing and at the end of the day a personal choice, there are many that claim to be anti-cancer... but like I mentioned earlier "each to their own" as for myself... I am not going to spend the rest of my life worrying about what I should or shouldn't eat...one thing that OC has taught me life is far too short love x G x 
Oh I agree with that last bit. All I know is I'm feeling better than for years doing this - and its totally unrestrictive. I have much more faith in things with solid medical and scientific research sources, which this has. Plus -- why not look at the diets of areas of the world with far lower cancer rates? Often their health services and cancer services are primitive in comparison to ours. There has to be some causal link and diet is by far the most likely. On that basis hell yes I will drink green tea daily, and take other advice too!
Love
S
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Often though the countries that appear to have low cancer rates are because they are unrecorded, (not all of them I admit) but it is sorting out the good information from the duff information phew!!tiresome or what ? Love x G x
You may have a point on that Gwyn! I guess we all have to just find a balance we can live with in any case 
Btw - how do you do the other winky one, oh Smiley guru?
Love Sue xxx
Haha... you are the one that came up with the crying smiley clever clogs (well maybe not a smiley but you know what I mean LoL ) any way here goes oops not sure which one it is : - / or ; - ) 
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Thank you it was the wonky winky I wanted
Xxx
Got to try a few more now, hope at least ONE works...!
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Sue, what is the title of that book again? Will write it down this time. By Dr Serban Schreiber? I might take a look at it. I too have a lot of faith in cruk website, but willing to take a look at other stuff, if it seems reasonable, and if I have time. But there is a lot of stuff out there, as Gwyn says. A healthy diet with plenty of fruit and veg, and not too much red meat goes a long way, I hope!
Yes, I agree with him about drug companies. I suspect they have too much power with oncologists, perhaps without oncologists realising it. They are out for profit, not what is best for the cancer patient, I strongly suspect. A lot of money for trials comes from drug companies, and so a lot of oncologists must have a close relationship with drug companies, and perhaps not want to antagonise them.
There is a book by Ben Goldacre, called Bad Pharma, which I have, but haven't yet got round to reading, and it is all about drug companies and how they cover things up when it suits them. My husband has read it.
All the best.
Love,
Eileen xx
If you type in his name in the search box on CRUK you will find their findings on the drugs....also if you type in "anti cancer diet" it will also come up with their view or findings on this ....best wishes x G x
I also meant to say that if you type in "Bad Pharma" on CRUK they have papers and research written about this as well xx
Thanks again, Gwyn. You are a great help. Will look at all that.
All the best.
E xx
Hi sue I ham reading this book as well and also chris woollans of cancer active uk where I have found a wealth of info and am currently making links and putting it all together to see what suits me. Thanks for our summary - loved it. Xxxxxxx
Hi again Chrissy. Could you possibly let me know name of Chris Woollans' book?
Thanks.
Eileen xx
its Everything you need to know to help you beat cancer'.
The website is excellent - canceracative.com and the book can be found there or on amazon etc. Chris W is also the editor of integrative cancer and oncology news which goes free into 600 hospitals etc. in his book he does not endorse anything but merely gives the facts for you to form your own views. its a very easy read you can dip in and out of. let us know what you think. chrissy xxx
Hi Chrissie.
Yes, I think, as others have said, the answers are possibly different for all of us. The Cancer Research UK is worth a good look, for cancer in general, as well as for ovarian cancer.
You might want some time to take a look at my blogs about taking aspirin or ibuprofen after chemo is over to prevent spread. Will put the links below so that you can just click on them. It appears that these drugs prevent cancer spread in some people and some cancers, as well as preventing some cancers (which is well documented in medical journals.)
The first blog contains a lot of links to cancer research uk website and other studies about this, if you look through it. I don't advocate aspirin or ibuprofen at all though when you are taking chemo. I am a retired GP, and so know a bit about this field, though I am by no means an expert. There is ongoing research into aspirin and ibuprofen etc documented in the cancer research uk website.
ovacome.healthunlocked.com/...
ovacome.healthunlocked.com/...
See what you think.
All the best.
Love,
Eileen xx
