What doctors don't talk about all too many times in the USA.
When it comes to the Male penis, the lowest maintenance lvl is what the US medical field goes for. The male's feelings really do not count if the doctors do not tell both sides of the procedure of circumcision. As an adult Male, it is really all on you, IF you do not do your research and just follow your doctor's lead, many times, not all, but many times you are getting cut. Not getting into newborn cutting but if anything, else- it is a fascinating issue in how the USA medical folks just do not want to give up that $$$$$ for 10 minutes of infant surgery. But for uncut adult tight 4skin, IF plastic surgeons can GROW enough skin to cover burns and other deformities from injury in 3-4 months, WHY is it not STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE to enlighten Males in the USA about growing, in comparison, enough skin to allow the foreskin to move freely. What most Males do not know about the 4skin that could make saving it a better option.
1. 75% of the Male's "erotic pleasure nerves" are in the 4skin, 25% in the glan. interesting that his urology group push cutting with 2 years following patients but if a glan is exposed in less than an hour it will be highly sensitive after healed, but after years of rubbing and exposure? This is the "pitch" males in America get to have them be cut. What is even more crazy to me is that they tell you the % of nerves lost and then build up why cutting is great!? I went backwards, cut at birth and know firsthand what an exposed head can lead to- my ED was halted about 2 years after being fully restored since it does revers a lot of the thickening of the once exposed surface of the glan so I seem to think I now have that glan that was covered for all my life and then exposed,..., but it is under a new skin flap protected for the past 10 years. sensation? out the roof compared to 10 years ago.
2. cirp.org/library/sex_function/ , a wealth of real studies on this very subject many doctors do not even know about or dismiss from their American cultural point of view, many long-term stats in this paper.
3. plasticsurgery.org/reconstr..., the info "they " do not more times than not want you to know. You can grow skin to loosen tight 4skin IF you want your hood. Yes it takes a bit of time and you have to do it, be consistent, but then,..., you have your hood should that be a want for YOU, forget what doctors want- you will be the one living with their info to you,..., get your own info of both choices.
And in the end- it is your choice, but is it really if you do not know all the avenues you could take?
I don't accept what you wrote. The foreskin is not some magic carpet that gives you some fantastic ride, it is just skin. That 75% stuff, I don't believe. Your fingers, your tongue, your lips are sensitive and far more useful than your foreskin even during sexual activity. It is the glans that is the most sensitive part of the penis and without it you would feel nothing sensuous at all. Learning to be a better lover is more important than being so self centered over a part of your penis which propagandists attribute all sorts of claims as to its function.
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I do not have the time or NEED to argue about medical facts with folks that think 1+1=9
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sorrels study conclusion- directly from the study:
CONCLUSION:
The glans of the circumcised penis is less
sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the
uncircumcised penis. The transitional region
from the external to the internal prepuce
is the most sensitive region of the
uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than
the most sensitive region of the circumcised
penis. Circumcision ablates the most sensitive
parts of the penis. ( Oh and "ablates" mean surgically removed. If you are taking your info off of Wiki- you are dealing with a sight that allows anyone to "re-write the original piece with no oversite. I am a Libertarian.)
"Physical effects of circumcision. John Warren, Royal College of Physicians, London, UK; NORM-UK, Staffordshire, UK; Excerpt ... loss of at least 10000 to 20000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings, .... [...] It was calculated that at least 10000 -20000 specialized erotegenic nerve endings are removed during circumcision. (Winkelmann, 1959, 1956)
In the AAP's 2012 Circumcision Task force report, the issues of sensitivity reduction were given obligatory mention but largely glossed over, and little space was devoted to the topic. The 2012 Task Force Report received overwhelmingly heavy critical comment. The purpose of the disastrous, now expired AAP 2012 report was to encourage neonatal non-therapeutic circumcision and third-party payment so little or nothing was said about the multiple functions of the foreskin.[29] The failed 2012 AAP Circumcision Policy expired in 2017 and has not been re-affirmed or re-validated in any way. The AAP currently has no circumcision policy.
en.intactiwiki.org/wiki/For... with WIKI anything I checked out the main contributors- and they do give solid references- should read them,.....
Ive had this surgery done at the age of 20, I had several infections and pain during sex, the skin wouldnt retract as it should and those stretching creams didnt work!! After being circumcised these issues were rectified and ive never had an issue since! Not all guys need this done but some do for sure! Having a half an inch of skin that wont retract hanging from the end of your penis is not exactly ideal and causes a hygiene issue! Urine sitting in there along with other slime smells disgusting and is a real turn off! If getting cut helps guys that are experiencing issues, I dont see what the problem is? People have more important things to be worrying about!
yes, you are right- but I like to know the choices, always have. There are so many times medical folks in the USA do not offer all the choices, that is my point. I have not and DO NOT tell folks WHAT CHOICE to make. You made a choice I hope was based in good sources and if that helped you and you are living a happy life- that is all you can want. The issue is folks have been reading my comments and maybe they did not get all the info and made choices on limited info and now are on the attack and I get that, it's Human nature to transfer responsibility for one's ill decisions, but this is not a political ideology, medical facts are just that so if someone wants to lash out not wanting to believe, ( and this is not YOU but a few others that have), - well that is why I supply the Sourses on line- there are enough avenues to show the facts are just that and have been known but not told for too many years. But in the end- I don't tell ANYONE what to do- it is your body, and you are an adult- some are forgetting that. be good- S
97% of phimosis cases are resolved without any sort of cutting. Sorry that it did not work out for you, but that's not a justification for not trying to leave the prepuce intact.
If stretching creams did not work, I would bet that you were forcefully retracted as a baby which led to scar tissue build up.
It sounds like only a "half an inch of skin" was removed from you. Consider yourself lucky! Many of us have a lot more than that removed. Do you know what your coverage index is?
When you're getting ready to get busy with a partner, go get in the shower with them. It makes excellent foreplay!
The problem is NOT "guys that are experiencing issues" - it's the lack of information provided by medical professionals about all of your options; especially when the medical professional doesn't even know what it is like to have an intact prepuce and lives in a culture and/or indoctrinated into believing that the prepuce is a problem.
I think you need to get over yourself, Ive had 0 problems for the last 20 years! Your obviously very upset about a few inches of skin! I live in Ireland not America and the procedure is free through the free health system or through health insurance! Every doctor cant be wrong, its funny how every one can give health advice even though they are not qualified to give the relevant information!
Who ever said that you did have problems? I've been living with problems all my life with my penis and didn't know it because I never knew what it was supposed to feel like.
Who said that EVERY doctor was wrong? MANY, especially those who don't have a prepuce, are wrong.
Consider that what you have is strictly anecdotal.
I actually interviewed another man that thought that he knew what it was like to have a prepuce. Turned out that he never had a normal and healthy prepuce. You can find the interview on my YouTube channel.
No I dont know my coverage index and its not giving me any grief so I havent investigated that!
Who said I had a problem? It was pretty obvious that I had a problem, It was painful to have sex, I was getting infections, I couldnt wash the area properly as the skin was pretty tight!
A normal working foreskin retracts all the way with ease and can be kept clean by washing it daily and can be pulled back when urinating to ensure the area stays clean for the day. Mine wasnt doing this so I had a problem, my GP had a look and suggested the cream but was doubtful that it would work! I tried that for months with no luck so I went to see a urologist and he recommend circumcision , I took his advice and all went well!! Ive been fine ever since with no issues in 20 years
How would you know if you have a problem or not if you haven't experienced a healthy prepuce? I wasn't having any grief about my prepuce amputation before the age of 35 either. But, I became a boy's father and started studying the differences between having a prepuce and not having one. Now I know that I have actually been having SEVERAL problems; I just didn't know because I didn't have a frame of reference.
The same applies to someone like you if your prepuce never retracted the way it was supposed to.
Making statements like "Having a half an inch of skin that wont retract hanging from the end of your penis is not exactly ideal and causes a hygiene issue!" pressures people into unnecessary prepuce amputation. Clearly, most men worldwide do not have the problems you have experienced. And, your experiences after having a "circumcision" may be very different from my experiences. This is why I ask questions like "what is your coverage index (CI)" and "how much frenular area and inner mucosa do you still have?" My CI is basically zero, but I still have a good amount of inner mucosa and my frenular area was maintained. I hate that I don't have mobility during erections, my scrotum draws up my shaft causing hair shaft and sometimes squeezing my testes; and my erections arch because of the tight skin on the upper side. You see, I wish I would have been left with the choice to make as an adult because I would have been able to draw my own dotted lines (if I would have chosen at all).
Getting regular infections is not normal! Bad hygiene due to not being able to retract and wash properly is not ideal!!! Severe pain during sex is not normal. I dont need a frame of reference to work this out! GPs see these issues all the time!
I am not the only one who suffered issues, many guys suffer similar issues all around the world, There are many chat forums with tons of guys writing in about their issues!
Nobody is being pressured into anything! If someone has an issue and have tried several options to rectify the problem and they havent worked, they dont really have any other choices other than put up with the problem.
People have operations every day of the week and they are usually done by suitably qualified surgeons! You dont go to a mechanic to get heart surgery or the postman to have your tonsils out!!! You have to trust the people who trained in their specific line of work to some degree! I dont tell my solicitor how to do his job! Im not trained in that area, I didnt study law and likewise with my GP , im not a doctor!
With regard to my coverage im a CI 5 with frenulum still intact! Im sorry that this hasn't worked for you but it appears that they have removed too much skin, and i totally understand what your saying with regard to the problems your having, many guys who are getting this operation have requested a tight circumcision and I have warned them against it as it creates the issues that you have just mentioned! My skin is pretty loose and has free play all the time!
A lot of the time this issue can be resolved using cream and with regular stretching especially for younger guys and for people with cases of mild phimosis but it doesnt always work! Every case is different.
"If getting cut helps guys that are experiencing issues, I dont see what the problem is?"
Do you see that there's a problem with lack of information?
You also stated:
"People have more important things to be worrying about!"
Sexuality is pretty high on many people's list of things to worry about. There's real risk that someone will be unhappy with the results. Why are you upset that the OP is attempting to spread information? It's great that you are happy with your results. Let's spread good information so everyone else can be too.
I am 65 like you and lost all my sensitivity by the time I was 60. That means no sex. Period. That's when I started to do my research and found that the most likely culprit was my circumcision. I began restoring my foreskin, and my sensitivity came back better than I ever remember having. I went on this web site several years ago and saw that all the advice was pretty much one sided. When I started to chime in, I got a huge backlash from a few people. But some listened and started to question circumcision. I thought the Doctors and parents in Europe were more enlightened than those of us in the US since circumcision is not normally done there. I think I'm wrong. Most don't seem to know anymore about the foreskin than us Americans. Getting people educated in in the US is going to be a very uphill battle due to ignorance and the lies that the medical profession has told for generations, and still tell today. But in support of the doctors, they only know what they are told. I know, my daughter is an OB doctor, and it been like pulling teeth to get her to change her mind about circumcision. Just keep pushing on foreword, and we'll get minds changed.
Well I was in the Medical Corp in the Army and having led in Germany, they are light years in the field of 4skin rescue! LOL!!! They have developed procedure that will save an intact Male's 4skin should he want that- and most do. As with just about anything in the world,..., but sadly sems int eh USA a lot more- $$$$$ talks. If you said you'd make more money with a foreskin- overnight, you would see cutting in the USA plumet! LOL!!!!
But I was involved in the 2009 restoration enlightenment, that year was the turning of the restoration tide and I developed RTM, a really different way to restore that caught on and still in use today, DTR, CATII were over taking the tuggers and strappers, a few of us were under attack but the [propogandists but we went forward anyway,..., NORM of Chicago Chapter even requested a tutorial CD on RTM so it is in their library still today. The originator of the DTR just posted a page of my story on his site- flattered at the very least but 2009 was the make or break year for restoring it seems looking back. The jet fuel was thrown on the fire. But RTM focused solely on the inner skin and delivered a realistic 4skin unlike other methods. It was not till I started promoting RTM, just by telling folks- I gave it for free to the population, that the inner skin was the area to grow from and many found out how true that is. You grow inner skin you are growing the same skin that was removed so like skin grows like skin- thus I have all the behaviors of an intact Male. Heavy musk, smegma, emollients, only because I draped my glan in skin from original 4skin, not thick heavy shaft skin like most were and I fear still are. Plus I fully restored in less than 13 months NOT 5-6 years! LOL!, from a C0 to a C7-8! And when you can walk and feel your head moving, sliding in your hood- that tells a lot of the restoration success. So glad you found your way. I do not want to turn my blogs here in to 4skin restoration but want that population knows would probably help 80% of the guys here just to grow the hood wider and not be cut on. You be good- Steph
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