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Great breakdown on which mushrooms we should be eating to help the microbiome

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A Critical Review on Health Promoting Benefits of Edible Mushrooms through Gut Microbiota 2017 ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

I eat fresh mushrooms every day but I can already tell Amazon is going to get some exotic mushroom powder orders from me tomorrow.

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I've seen people mention Lion's Mane quite a bit. Somehow I must have accidentally-on-purpose tuned it out (not a fan of 'shrooms). Thank you very much for the link.

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Host Defense makes a capsule of lions s mane that i take. The company is owned by Paul Stamets. He is the foremost mushroom expert in the world. I have followed his work and research for years. Now I am doing more investigations into neurogenisis via mushrooms .

How do you consume your mushrooms? How do you plan to consume the exotic powders, in your smoothie? What would you do (in what manner would you consume) if you had fresh exotics?

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Right now I have fairly normal mushrooms on salad every day (or in meals) and take Lion's Mane capsules.

I think I might get mushroom powder and make a cup of tea with it. Or just add it to food.

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Thanks. I had an accidental discovery/reminder when doing taste tests from our garlic harvest. On the third day I didn't feel so well (probably a die-off reaction, I'd forgotten it had those properties). Found this in Dr. Ralph Golan's, Optimal Wellness:

"Garlic is most noted for its antimicrobial and cardiovascular effects. It possesses broad-spectrum antimicrobial properties effective against bacteria (staph, strep, bacillus, brucella, vibrio, E. coli, proteus, salmonella, klebsiella, mycobacterium), fungi (including Candida albicans, epidermophyton, and trichophyton), parasites, roundworms, and hookworms, and viruses (influenza). Garlic is very useful in cases where an organism has become resistant to conventional antibiotic therapy."

Not a 'shroom, mind you, (and not directly related to PD) but mighty tastey... and furthers the goal of developing a healthy gut.

eta: he also notes: "Cooking or heating garlic will inactivate the antimicrobial effects, so use either raw cloves or cryogenically frozen, vacuum-dried, or cold-aged garlic capsules or tablets or vacuum distillation-derived garlic oil products."

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Thanks! I never realized the garlic needed to be fresh. I just get the minced garlic at Walmart.

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I should have mentioned that there is a cautionary warning that excessive doses can trigger red blood cell destruction (hemolysis) and anemia. So anyone planning to use it in medicinal or high dose quantities should probably check into that. (I'm using culinary quantities)

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LAJ12345 I do not know if the caution above applies to the Allimed product, or it is something you are already aware of, but drawing your attention to this just in case.

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Ok thanks. Interesting.

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Allimed is a product that has the medicinal compounds of garlic in a high dose if you don’t like the fresh garlic taste.

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Good to know, thank you!

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From table 1:

Agaricus bisporus Polysaccharides Anti-bacterial property [53]. White button mushrooms increase microbial diversity and accelerate the resolution of citrobacter rodentium infection in mice.

This is the common white mushroom we get in the US en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agari...

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From table 1:

Lentinula edodes Lentinan, KS-2 Lentinula edodes-derived polysaccharide rejuvenates mice in terms of immune responses and gut microbiota [69]. L2 reverses the gut microbiota structure, such as the reduced ratio Firmicutes/Bacteroidetes, the increased Bacteroidia, the decreased Bacilli and Betaproteobacteria, the increased Bacteroidaceae, the decreased Lactobacillaceae, and Alcaligenaceae.

shiitake mushrooms. I think I can get these fresh. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiitake

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Great article if only it was in English. Mushrooms have been a great part of my diet since I discovered they had anticancer benefits. Think I might try and increase my consumption.

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I bought some mushroom powders from bulk supplements but was disappointed to find the taste unpleasant and not very mushroomy so I’m not sure how to use them. Occasionally I sprinkle some in a stew etc but can’t put much in for fear of ruining the meal.How will you take the powders?

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Hey Bolt_Upright, what happened to reducing your stack 😆

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I am trying so hard to reduce my stack gwendolinej ! I removed Glycine. And I removed TUDCA (for the second time). I removed my probiotics (but I pop one once in a while as I still have some).

Current stack: B1, B3 Niacin, B12, Bee Pollen, Curcumin Capsules, Curcumin Essential Oil (under my nose as aroma therapy. Needs to be cut with Olive Oil), Broccoli Sprout Tea (3 days a week), Butyric Acid, Ceylon Cinnamon, Cod Liver Oil, Lion's Mane, Mannitol, Propolis, Matcha Tea, Melatonin, MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane [on the days I don't have Broccoli Sprout Tea]), Resistant Starches, Royal Jelly, Seaweed for Iodine (on the days I don't have Broccoli Sprout Tea), Selenium with Inositol to lower HT antibodies, Taurine and NAC together at night...

Red light to the back of my head, Intermittent Fasting, and the Specific Carbohydrate Diet.

The Hydrogen Water Generator arrives Sunday. I need an intervention.

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Daily sunlight and exercise?

I saw this and thought of you. 2 of the 5 screening questions for the "study that could change everything" involve REM sleep behavior disorder: michaeljfox.org/form/ppmi-s...

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Yes, I need more exercise and sunshine. It's hard when you are depressed, but I need to do it.

I think the broccoli Sprout Tea is helping my mood.

Yes, that is me, REMSBD :(

Hopefully I will be one of the first to back out of that club.

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I'm so glad the Sprout Tea is helping! Yes, I know about the depression all too well. I hope that turns around completely for you too.

Is there anything that can help REMSBD?

I'm working hard to get my sleep dialed-in. My problem is that I cannot stay asleep. Daily sunshine is an important part of my new regimen. Also reduced lighting for 2-3 hours before bedtime and absolutely no devices/electronics one hour before. Melatonin and magnesium are both getting optimized, and of course Vit D (which I have a hard time getting into the normal zone). I've only exercised a couple of times, but that is important too.

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We use these blue blockers at night. They fit OVER your normal glasses, which is nice. And they are cheap! amazon.com/Uvex-Blocking-Co...

Some things help some people with REMSBD: Cutting out violent TV, not eating within 3 hours of bedtime. Melatonin. Cut out caffeine and alcohol. My REMSBD is not bad now. It's just the dread of what it infers on my future. I was really hoping to get into my mid 80s and die of a sudden surprise condition. I am still hoping for that!

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In time Bolt, I believe you will learn to count your blessings that you are dealing with this in your 60's. For some perspective, I'm 46. Many people on here were diagnosed in their 40's and some even in their 30's. On Facebook there are groups dedicated solely to PWP diagnosed under the age of 50. Perspective. That said, try Ashwaganda and L-theanine for calming in the evening.

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Thanks CC. I get my l-theanine every day in a huge glass of matcha green tea (with cinnamon and mannitol [and sometimes seaweed).

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This is the video that I found helpful: youtu.be/bEbtf7uS6P8

I didn't actually watch all of it, but it is conveniently chaptered and easy to skip around by subject matter.

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Mushroom powder would be good in bone broth. Have you tried CBD oil for sleep. I took some Delta 8 and slept 14hrs! That was a mistake but the stuff really works.

SE

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Yes. I have a few squirts of CBD every night.

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I tried a delta 8 gummy once.... once.. my wife threatened to divorce me if I ever did it again.. that must have been one hell of a trip. I dont remember anything. Might actually try a 1/2 gummy to see if i sleep. Sleep is very elusive for me.

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I would recommend the doco Fabulous Fungi on Netflixs, interesting one.

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Order from Paul Stamets company Host Defense. They are US grown and have excellent quality standards. That way your not getting cheap grown Chinese mushrooms grown on who knows what with no quality standards in place.

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