Heavy Sebum

[JayPwP]

I have heavy Sebum. The wax coats my entire head to shoulder area. Have tried Pantethine but no improvement.

Any thoughts or remedies?

[Hidden]

I don’t experience this but my skin care knowledge leads me to believe that cleanser or toner with glycolic or salacylic acid will help

[JayPwP in reply to Hidden]

Thank you for your time and response

[chartist]

Oral Zinc may be helpful for controlling excess sebum.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/615...

The dose used in this study seems very high though.

vitagene.com/blog/zinc-for-...

skinkraft.com/blogs/article...

Art

[JayPwP in reply to chartist]

Thank you for your time and response

[rescuema in reply to JayPwP]

I'm with Art, you should at least try supplementing Jarrow's Zinc Balance (contains Cu in portion) to see if you could bring up your zinc status safely, and also try a shampoo containing zinc pyrithione. One more thing you could try is to try taking a very hot Epsom salt (3-4 cups) bath as hot as you could take it - it may help release the excess sebum.

[JayPwP in reply to rescuema]

Thanks. I am on 10mg Melatonin nightly. I have read Melatonin becomes pro-oxidant in presence of Copper. Bit apprehensive of the combination.

[rescuema in reply to JayPwP]

You can't avoid Cu (for health) unless you're already getting a high enough amount through your diet. The ZB has only 1mg Cu, which is a minimal amount. healthline.com/health/heavy...

You'll be fine, just don't take it at the same time with melatonin and space it out.

[JayPwP in reply to rescuema]

Thanks 👍

[chartist in reply to JayPwP]

My copper level runs high and you already know I take 106 mg+ of melatonin each day. I do not have a problem with the combination and I am over 8 months at this dose of melatonin. I also take 50 to 100 mg zinc everyday. Zinc and copper need to maintain a healthy ratio.

Art

[JayPwP in reply to chartist]

Zinc in which compound do you use? Please help with approximate Zinc to Copper ratio to maintain

[JayPwP in reply to JayPwP]

Zinc picolinate and zinc methionine are two forms of zinc with great bioavailability

[chartist in reply to JayPwP]

Jay,

Is this the study you were referring to?

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/314...

Art

[JayPwP in reply to chartist]

Yes Art. Same study

[chartist in reply to JayPwP]

Sorry for the delayed reply as I had to run out to take care of some things.

You have to take the study in the correct context. Just looking at the abstract, there is this,

>>>' The pro-oxidant effect is inhibited by the presence of DNA, which prevents copper reduction by melatonin. Interestingly, in-vivo melatonin protects against copper/polyphenol-induced DNA damage probably via acting as a copper-chelating agent rather than a hydroxyl radical scavenger. ' <<<

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/314...

In the presence of DNA, would be the case in the body. They were experimenting in vitro, but when the testing was done in the presence of DNA, it was a different outcome. In the body, DNA is very present, so these in vitro results would not apply. This could potentially explain why I have not had a problem with melatonin in the presence of high copper. This seems like a convoluted study.

Just my opinion, but I believe that if there is such a thing as a "smart molecule" melatonin might be one.

Art

[JayPwP in reply to chartist]

Thanks Art

[MarionP]

I don't know if you and I have any similarities there, but I have done fairly well with

1. Shampooing frequently, hot water

2. Using coal tar shampoo

3. On alternate days, using dish soap (washing up liquid...I prefer Dawn but anything will do, some have lemon scent) on alternate hair washes, repeat the wash session enough times so that the hair loudly squeaks/drags (when you get a quckly formed up lather, gotten a decent lather, means you've gotten through most of the double chained carbon bonds and they are hooked in to the soap molecule and all ready to be well-rinsed on out of your head and down the drain) . Rinse well.

No conditioners as these usually have silicone and waxes of various types, which is what imparts the "conditioned" feel and manageability, but its really just "waxing" your hair that you just worked so hard to clean... and just combines to intensify the sebum problem.

Scrub right down into the scalp, get those pores cleared out. Get those hairs stripped, just like well washed dishes.

Thus, treating the result, not the cause. Use dish rubber gloves or the oil in your hands and fingernails will be badly stripped and basically dry out to the point of injury...put hand lotion if you need.

At least this might buy you some time so you can study up further.

There is logic here. Sebum is mostly fat, fatty acids, tryglicerides, wax/tallow, ie positive charge molecules.... So you cut and remove it with bases, ie detergents, negative charge molecules that hook the positive charged fats/oils and set them adrift in lots of hot water then flush them all right down the drain in all that water. Just like dishes. If you are really freaky about skin allergy, definitely use Dawn, or baby shampoo as the detergent.

Wash frequently. Avoid hair dressings unless you look up the contents, anything with much wax or oils or silicones ("conditioners, softeners") or such will just start things off again...can use them IF you shampoo frequently.

Solved in my case so I did not explore combining them in one container or esoteric alternating or combining different types of dandruff shampoo, most of which are either salacylic acid or zinc.

Been doing it 30+ years, and I have atopic skin and allergies, but these steps never troubled me once.

Or you can save the wash/rinse water all on a really big bucket, put it a refrigerator, after a few hours scrape off the waxy top, does a good job on your car finish or surfboard, cheaper than Maguiar's.

[JayPwP in reply to MarionP]

Thank you for your time and response

[Kevin51]

See bad.org.uk/shared/get-file.... . Taking C/L reduces the sebum making it more manageable (anecdotal).

[JayPwP in reply to Kevin51]

I don't take C/L. It doesn't work 1% for me.

[parkie13]

Do a search on Google or Ebay or Amazon for

45W therapy light panel 660nm and 850 nm

Shine on each area of the head, 5 - 10 min. I rest it against my head.

Really works. The post on advice on washing hair well and thoroughly is great.

Bonus, makes your complexion years younger. Great for pain.

[parkie13 in reply to parkie13]

The price of the panel is between 40 and $50. You do want both wave lengths.

[JayPwP in reply to parkie13]

Thanks. Have already ordered the below

healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

[Godiv]

Jay, my red light infrared helmet really helps my scalp. I don’t have it on my shoulders but it’s definitely on my scalp and it’s just amazing after use by that light how much it helps. If I don’t use it for a while my scalp starts to itch and I get the yucky buildup and everything. The helmet seems to dry it out and heal it. Gosh Parkinson’s is such a lovely disease! I love the way it chips away at our dignity. ☹️The light products are kind of expensive, And I’m sure you would need more than the helmet since you have it on your shoulders too. But it might be worth looking into to see if it might be a possibility for you.

[JayPwP in reply to Godiv]

Thanks

[John_morris71 in reply to JayPwP]

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[JayPwP in reply to John_morris71]

Thank you John. Will check availability