Pacemaker and ultrasonic repellers

Just wondered if its safe to use an ultrasonic pest repeller in a house with a pacemaker resident?

The manufacturer says check with a doctor - I guess they are covering themselves

[BeKind28-]

Hello

I do not know if it is safe or not to be honest but if it says that even though the manufacturer might be covering themselves I would phone the pharmacists where I get my repeats from and ask them as it could take forever to get to speak to a Doctor depending what your surgery is like

Let us know how you get on x

[Deejay62]

Can the person contact their device clinic and find out?

[scentedgardener]

I can't answer your question, but have you used the pest repellers previously? The reason I ask is I have used many different brands and have only found one brand that was actually effective, and that is impossible to find in the UK now. All the others make a lot of claims but have never had any impact on the pests. I tried to get one of the effective ones for my niece via a reputable retailer but cancelled the order after 3 months wait with no end in sight. They are now manufactured in China.

[devonian186]

What an interesting question to which I don't know the answer. Those with devices though need to be cautious about electric vehicles especially chargers and most notably the rapid public charging ones now coming into place.

[Alison_L in reply to devonian186]

Current thinking seems to be that we're safe as long as we don't stand next to the rapid chargers for too long, or place the charging cable directly over the cardiac device! Good old common sense, which sadly as a race we seem to be losing.

escardio.org/The-ESC/Press-....

[devonian186 in reply to Alison_L]

Thinking someone would drape the cable over them brings to mind giving life to Frankenstein via a huge electric storm.

Common sense? Hmmm. You are more optimistic than me. The latest charging stations are intended to deliver 100 miles of motoring in 5 minutes. That equates to 480Kw as opposed to the 350kw mentioned in the excellent article. It also means 10000 amps and a large amount of heart.

EV batteries can be very unstable anyway and fast charging and heat are likely to damage them. Hope the firefighting is good.

Personally if I had a pacemaker I would steer clear of electric cars and especially the charging points.

[Alison_L in reply to devonian186]

LOL I'm steering well clear of EVs for the time being, and I'll remember not to drape the cables round my neck

[Gladiator1951]

My guess is that there will be no interference with your pacer since the pest repeller is a sonic device. The pacer must be protected from devices which emit an electromagnetic field.

It's absurd for the pacemaker manufacturer to say check with a doctor on this. Only the manufacturer can validate their device when subjected to certain conditions. They probably have not tested their device for this and their lawyers have concocted a bullshit answer.

This article offers some detail on what devices pose various levels of risk...

Devices that May Interfere with ICDs and Pacemakers | American Heart Association

heart.org/en/health-topics/...

[Alison_L in reply to Gladiator1951]

I think the OP meant the pest repeller manufacturer said check with a doctor, rather than the pacemaker manufacturer!

[Gladiator1951 in reply to Alison_L]

Yep, that's probably right. A doctor would properly have to defer to the pacemaker manufacturer.

[EMBoy]

Most warnings about pacemakers and items of electrical equipment are just the manufacturers covering themselves, but in reality, modern pacemakers will only be affected by very high magnetic fields.

As far as I know, they do not react to ultrasound, but checking with the pacemaker manufacturer would be a good idea. I have used an ultrasonic cleaning bath without any adverse effects on my pacemaker.