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Vitamin E and Vitamin B ok to take with Levothyroxine?

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Hi,

I’ve been diagnosed with postpartum thyroiditis. Long and painful story but I lost my daughter full term in June and had a mmc in December. My full term loss was a very rare pregnancy complication - nothing to do with my thyroid - it was 1.08 5 weeks after birth. Since august I have known that my prolactin was slightly raised always between 700- 850. And my thyroid had initially been hyper about 2 months after birth but then flipped in November to hypo. My endocrinologist has reassured me that my thyroid did not cause my mmc. I’m sceptical but I guess I have to trust in the professionals.

Since then my thyroid is being treated with 75mg of levo. I’m taking 75mg of Teva. I feel fine on this brand. I’ve had two tests one on the day of the management of mmc in December - my TSH at that point was 1.64. I didn’t ask for T3 or T4 at that point. I had another set of bloods run on 7th Jan - no meds beforehand. I don’t have the reference ranges but they were ran by the NHS. I will be receiving a letter with all this info on but I haven’t had it yet.

TSH:1.29

T4: 20.2 (10-20)

T3: 3.8 (3.1 - 6.8)

Folate: 17.1

B12: 4.97

Prolactin - 711

Cortisol: 3.90 at 8:30am

Liver function - normal

Bone profile - normal

Heomglobin - 1.27

Ferritin - 20 (I’m now taking meds for this)

I have another set booked in for 10th Feb along with an MRI organsised by my endo as a precaution to check to see if I have anything that it causing my prolactin levels to be slightly elevated.

I’ve read that Vit e and b6 are good for naturally reducing prolactin levels naturally - from what I’ve read there does not seem to be any adverse outcomes from taking b6 and vit e with levo but I was just wondering if anyone had any experience to share?

Thanks!

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So very sorry for your loss

Extremely hard to loose any baby, but at full term particularly difficult

Never take any supplements at same time as levothyroxine

Generally we recommend a daily GOOD Quality Vitamin B complex rather than separate B vitamins

Can you double check that B12 result

Normally results are something like 200-600

You need vitamin D tested

Ferritin is very low and has long way to improve. GP will likely stop iron supplements before Ferritin gets up high enough

Are you vegetarian or vegan?

Currently conversion of Ft4 to Ft3 is poor

Ft3 is only 18% through range

Looking at getting Ft3 at least 50-60% through range minimum

Have you had thyroid antibodies tested?

Or cortisol levels. Stress and grief can affect cortisol levels.

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to SlowDragon

My endo said they would monitor my ferritin - I will keep getting meds so long as I need it. My endo said that my other bloods don’t show anemia. She suggested it might have been because I would have bled a lot after the miscarriage. This has always been low. It’s never been above 29 since I was about 19. I carried to full term with that.

My b12 is 497 - sorry, my error.

Yes, thyroid antibodies have been tested TPO are negative and my TG antibodies are positive but my endo got really angry that I’d had them tested as she said that they are only useful when assessing thyroid cancer patients for treatment.

I raised the t3 conversion with my endo - she was not worried and assured me that I should keep trying straight away. She is very sympathetic to my situation and I trust her - she’s a thyroid specialist. I’d like to think given that she knows what I’ve been through that if she thought there was a chance that I’d suffer another loss she’d advise me to wait or put me on another treatment.

Does a vit b complex not contain biotin? I was told to avoid this.

I don’t take anything with levo. I meant like taking it within the same day. I was told that if my prolactin remains high after my next set of bloods and the MRI then I will be started on cabergolibe to reduce it. I’m wondering if I should just wait until I speak to her before I add anything else in?

Cortisol was tested 3.90 or 390 - I’m not sure how it is measured. My endo also says this was normal.

Is there anything that I can do to help with the conversion of t3 to t4?

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to Rainbowdreamer

Also, no, I’m not vegetarian or vegan.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainbowdreamer

Yes, thyroid antibodies have been tested TPO are negative and my TG antibodies are positive but my endo got really angry that I’d had them tested as she said that they are only useful when assessing thyroid cancer patients for treatment.

How high were TG antibodies?

They are often high with autoimmune thyroid disease. But NHS refuses to acknowledge hashimoto’s if only high TG antibodies.

healthline.com/health/antit...

If you do have small amounts in your blood, it may be a sign of certain health problems, such as:

type 1 diabetes

pernicious anemia, a drop in red blood cells caused by a vitamin B-12 deficiency

collagen vascular diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis and scleroderma

thyroid cancer

If you have high levels of antithyroglobulin antibodies in your blood, it may be a sign of serious autoimmune disorder, such as Graves’ disease or Hashimoto thyroiditis

High thyroid antibodies associated with symptom burden

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/303...

How extraordinary that endo got cross that you had this test....touched a nerve there

Thyroid ultrasound scan of thyroid can be helpful to diagnose Hashimoto’s

Cost £150

20% of Hashimoto's patients never have raised antibodies

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Paul Robson on atrophied thyroid - especially if no TPO antibodies

paulrobinsonthyroid.com/cou...

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to SlowDragon

I’m getting an MRI so I’m assuming that my thyroid will be visible too? I’ll ask when I speak to them next.

TG antibodies were 326 - I don’t know if that’s high or not?

TPO - 15 (0-34)

I don’t have an autoimmune thyroid disorder - it’s post partum. When my thyroid was tested on aug 5th my thyroid was 1.08 and I made a point of discussing at length the possibility of this having always been present and I was assured that I hadn’t. I only experienced symptoms post partum.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainbowdreamer

That’s quite high

Suggest you retest FULL thyroid and vitamins in another 8-12 weeks

Autoimmune thyroid disease often starts after pregnancy

Often the only way to tell the difference between Hashimoto’s and post partum is that after 6-12 months post partum levels start to improve

btf-thyroid.org/thyroiditis

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to SlowDragon

Ok, will do. I’ll be on levo until I get pregnant and then throughout my pregnancy. I’ve been told that I’ll be tested at least every 6 weeks.

I’m taking levo now so even if it does develop into autoimmune I’m still getting it under control and ‘solving the problem’ aren’t I? Or is there more that I will need to do?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainbowdreamer

How much levothyroxine are you currently taking? Which brand of levothyroxine

Bloods should be retested 6-8 weeks after each dose or brand change in levothyroxine

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to SlowDragon

75mcg of Teva. I’m having no side effects to it. I did ask about the Teva brand when I spoke to my endo - she says it is working with me as my thyroid results have improved and I’m having no side effects but to keep monitoring it.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainbowdreamer

I’m getting an MRI so I’m assuming that my thyroid will be visible too? I’ll ask when I speak to them next.

Is this MRI of pituitary?

Ultrasound scan of thyroid done in different department

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to SlowDragon

Just seen this Q. It’s of my pituitary as far as I’m aware.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainbowdreamer

Yes vitamin B complex does contain biotin

We need to stop taking any supplements that contain biotin a week before ALL BLOOD TESTS as biotin can falsely affect test results (it’s used in lots of lab tests)

Were you advised to avoid biotin re pregnancy?

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to SlowDragon

No, it was in relation to affecting levo!

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainbowdreamer

No it doesn’t affect levothyroxine

We frequently have low folate/B12/B1 (thiamine)

Thousands of members on here take vitamin B complex

Biotin DOES affect many blood test results. Hence important to stop a week before ALL BLOOD TESTS

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to SlowDragon

Ok great - I’ll look into it. Do you know anything about vitamin E supplements and levo?

SlowDragon profile image
SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainbowdreamer

No not really

Often with Hashimoto’s we supplement selenium with vitamin E

You can test selenium and zinc levels privately

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainbowdreamer

Is there anything that I can do to help with the conversion of t3 to t4?

Getting ferritin levels improved

Get vitamin D tested

What’s the range on your folate results

is it 3-20 or 3-60?

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to SlowDragon

Folate level ref 3-20.

I’ll get Vit D tested with my next bloods. And hopefully my iron supplement will help with this too!

Thanks for your help! :)

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Rainbowdreamer

So folate is good 😊

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SlowDragonAdministrator

My endo said that my other bloods don’t show anemia. She suggested it might have been because I would have bled a lot after the miscarriage. This has always been low. It’s never been above 29 since I was about 19. I carried to full term with that.

Ideally you want ferritin at least around or over 70, especially on levothyroxine

Importance of good ferritin levels during pregnancy

b-s-h.org.uk/media/2891/uk_...

Non-anaemic women identified to be at increased risk of iron deficiency should have a serum ferritin checked early in pregnancy and be offered oral supplements if ferritin is <30 ug/l

ouh.nhs.uk/patient-guide/le...

tommys.org/pregnancy-inform...

Hypothyroid patients frequently struggle to increase ferritin levels

Thousands of posts on here about low ferritin levels

Eating iron rich foods like liver or liver pate once a week plus other red meat, pumpkin seeds and dark chocolate, plus daily orange juice or other vitamin C rich drink can help improve iron absorption

List of iron rich foods

dailyiron.net

Links about iron and ferritin

irondisorders.org/too-littl...

davidg170.sg-host.com/wp-co...

Great in-depth article on low ferritin

oatext.com/iron-deficiency-...

drhedberg.com/ferritin-hypo...

This is interesting because I have noticed that many patients with Hashimoto’s disease and hypothyroidism, start to feel worse when their ferritin drops below 80 and usually there is hair loss when it drops below 50.

Thyroid disease is as much about optimising vitamins as thyroid hormones

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

restartmed.com/hypothyroidi...

Post discussing just how long it can take to raise low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Post discussing why important to do full iron panel test

Never supplement iron without regular retesting of full iron panel

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Possibly of interest re low ferritin

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

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Rainbowdreamer in reply to SlowDragon

My loss wasn’t a stillbirth but useful to keep in mind for future pregnancies.

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