Well on instruction of endo for the last 2 months I have been taking 150 mgs of n.z beef thyroid and told to stop my 150 levo. Just had my medichecks results back and cannot believe these results my TSH 33.3 usually on levo it was 0.5 whatever..free t3 3.44 3.1-4.2 free thyroxine 8.77 12-22. Ferritin 146 13-150, vit b12 active 150 vit d 113 50-175..
But because of the constant nausea I had on levo I thought I would give it a try ...got to go back on levo by the look of it ..
.medichecks have said to get in touch with gp ..
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Oh my word , I can’t believe it ,but I have been taking that ...I wasn’t sure if it was a supplement or actual hormones, I couldn’t find any dose info so started on one a day 150 mg. I took this dose for two weeks ,also took my usual levo and t3 , I didn’t feel any difference so increased to two a day. After the third day I woke during the night ,I had bad palpitations,sweating so much and scratching my skin so much I was almost bleeding...Symptoms felt the same as when I increased t3 too much... I obviously stopped taking the bovine supplements and it took me about ten days to feel better...I just can’t tolerate thyroxine so I have asked my GP if I could trial liquid thyroxine, I am waiting for a reply , have you tried this before Christinah61? I do miss nature thyroid as they were the only medication I felt well on . ..Hope you get your levels back on track and feel better soon.
Hi Bev I cant believe it Bev to be honest I've tried everything to get rid of this daily nausea I liked naturethyroid to but once is was reformulated I was back to square 1.. back to awful levo with all the awful symptoms ..its hard to believe that I've been on levo since 16 yrs old with no problems until menopause 55 yrs old then it all changed the nausea leaves me bed bound and I would do anything to get rid of it ...I'm completely broken again ...i did say to this endo should I continue with the levo and use the b thyroid as a supplement...oh no she said stop taking levo completely and just take 150 beef thyroid ....just give up ...my levo is now back out the draw so I will start back on them tonite .....
Thanks slow for your reply yes I have tried t3 alongside levo but it really upset me even small amounts ..no not had o or e tested.. 64 years old now I went through menopause at 55 for about 3 years and I've never been right since slow xx
I know nothing but... I tried adding T3 last year and found it fave me headaches and nausea and I couldn't tolerate even tiny amounts... this year I tried again, adding 5, then, 10 and now 20 first thing with my Levo and I tolerate it just fine. Someone told me my intolerance may have been cos I was taking too little and that seems to be true.
But the first time it was 20s Of Mercury chopped up, this time it's 2x10s of Morningside - so perhaps the brand matters.
Thanks for your message I will go back straight away on 150 levothyroxine until I speak to this new private endo next tuesday my gp has referred me today after speaking to them about the recent results ..so well see what he has to say ..good luck to you as well xx
Please tell me were did you find T3 in 10mcg from ?Have you a link for Morningside please ? I bought 5mcg/ Lyothironine from a US PHarmacy ( very expensive) and 25mcg from United PH ...didn't know thgere was a 20mcg T3 ? I was OK on 8.5mcg of T3 and 30 mg NDT ...unfortunately needed to add more T3 and my heart sped up ( 59 yrs old) so gave up on T3 and restarted NP ...then Tnyroid S then Erfa and now THyrovanz....but will be going back to Thyroid S.... Seems I was better off on my own Iodine protocol when I took 150 mg of Lugol's iodine with cofactors ....thought NDTs were going to be an easier fix.....Thanks
Dionne at thyroid UK has a list of Endo’s who’ll prescribe t3, I read on here. Mine at Kingston do exactly as I ask. This is a double edge sword as I am clearly no expert!!!
Thanks a lot....if I decide to start with T3 ( I still have my overpriced Liothyronine 5mcg from US) I will definitely persue it as can't cut the 25mcg from United Ph ( which is a lot cheaper then the 5mcg from US) as too difficult ...I would probably only manage 12.5 mcg ( or 15mcg at most) if I dropped the NDT altogether but not sure if to go down that route...I'm 59yrs old... I would need to ask for a referral to an Endo and I think it was suggested I go to Epsom years ago ( it may have been to see an 'ME specialist' not a n Endo... which is 1.5hrs form here....Thanks again
I’m so shocked to see your results you must feel terrible ! We keep trying these new things in the hope that we will finally find something that suits us and then back to Levo again I’m exactly the same
I am going to try Thyro Gold soon because like you I don’t feel very well on Levo ! so I’ll keep you posted hopefully after reading lots of good reviews I’m feeling optimistic
Hi kaz yes I do feel terrible ...that's so funny because I was reading today about thyrogold and ordered 1 pot of 150 mgs to maybe try ...one day however I will go back on levo until things stabilize again ..how are you what are you taking at the moment? What dose are you going to take on thyrogold ...xxx sending love x
I tried Thyrogold a long time ago. I was ok for quite a while but then I developed the incredible itchyness that Beverlyb already suffered. It was so bad , nothing to see but unbearable itching. I had to abandon it.
Read all the info on the Thyro-Gold site and you will get a good idea of dosing. There are 3 free chapters of Dr John C Lowe's book on of form that are really helpful. Also read all of the Q&As. It's how I successfully switched to Thyro-Gold on 2015 and self dosed. I did monthly blood tests for a year to monitor how it was going, thereafter 3 monthly or less depending on symptoms.
Hi so glad to hear you’re doing well on Thyrogold 😊
I hope you don’t mind me asking how you dosed when you first started taking it ?
I’ve been on it for a few months now I take 2 capsule each morning but I think I need to increase I’ve had no side effects nothing just feeling cold and body temp still low . How did you dose did you increase by half a capsule and how did you find you’re ideal dosage ?
Hi Kaz I never received it..they said I had shipping costs to pay on it so I never bothered so lost 70 pounds buying it on the website ...but I weren't going to pay more on top of that..spoke to a new endo just before christmas had all the normal bloods done and the tsh is back to normal as it had gone up to 33.3 BUT my symptoms have been awful so I will be trying liquid levo .....we will see not started yet but just want the daily nausea to go away..I'm allergic to the fillers in levo I know now it's taken 2 years to find out and for them to do something !! Wots new so I will update after 6 weeks on liquidLevo ..
How are you ? Sending love and best wishes to you and your family for the new year xxxx
If you speak to them about it, I'm sure they would refund the £70 providing they received the Thyro-Gold back.
If anyone else is considering buying Thyro-Gold remember you will need to pay an extra 20% VAT on top of the purchase price and shipping cost, and £8 customs admin fee.
The first thing I would do is split your current dose and take one 150mg capsule in the morning and one 150mg capsule 6-8 hours later. It has T4 in so needs to be taken on an empty stomach and don't eat for an hour, else it affects the conversion and absorption of the thyroid hormones in it (this applies to all thyroid meds containingT4). I found this to be really important. Don't take iron and calcium supplements at the same time. I used to take Thyro-Gold at 8am, eat at 9am, take Thyro-Gold at 3pm, eat at 5-6pm, take supplements at 10pm.If one takes to much thyroid hormone at once, some of it is wasted as it gets converted to rT3 and T2. There's a good article about this on the thyroid patients Canada website. thyroid patients.ca
Try this for 6 weeks and see how you get on, before you consider a dose increase. Then get a blood test for fT3 and fT4 to see where your levels are.
If your blood results do indictate you need to increase your dose, i would try taking an extra 150mg at the morning dose. You may find you're like me and need to split capsules to get the right dose.
I take bovine thyroid from NZ and my lab results are fine with no side effects from them. I was on porcine NDT before that. If you want to know the brand pm me.
Please PM me which Thyrovanz NZ are yout aking? I thought there was just one ? they ran out of the 50mg I was told when I was about to order 50m & 25mg....However, I think I'd rather go back to Thyroid S as many have said that they don't get good results on Thyrovanz....Thanks
It's just got New Zealand written at top of bottle...Main Name : Thyrovanz ...I thought there was a Thyrovanz from Argentina which isn't as good as NZ ?
Thyrovanz sells both New Zealand and Argentina sourced bovine thyroid . The batches from Argentina are not as potent, they say it on their site under FAQ I believe.
It might, or might not, be true for any individual. It is sometimes pointed out that bovine will have a higher T4:T3 ratio. Cattle are also more seasonal than pigs. Therefore the precise concentrations of T4 and T3 in the original glands might vary more through the year than in pigs. However, this does not necessarily result in variation in the final product.
An Admin of a group I am in : LDN for thyroid said she never saw good results on Thyrovanz.... well I'm proof enough as the last labs were the worst I've had ( on 75mg Thyrovanz) If I raise by 25 mg I get fast , strong heartbeats which I notice at night as I wear earplugs to sleep and you hear your internal workings a lot better....during the day it doesn't bother me...I tried raising by 12.25 and it was better but difficult to split ....Now I have the same effect by taking Thyrovanz 50mg sublingually in the mornings and 2nd dose whole swallowed as a capsule of 25mg.... slightly raised heart beats at night....Would be good if I could test it again but can't keep spending money on Thyroid monitoring with reverse T3 , via Medichecks ...( last test done on 28th July) ....
Sorry to hear this. Completely shocked that an endo actually prescribed an NDT. In my experience they shy away and leave you to suffer. Levo or no real support. Like yourself, I can't tolerate levo. I am a 45 year old man.
I am doing fine on Nutrition-Meds bovine thyroid. I find it interesting that you listed your ferritin results. My doctor resists testing mine and it has definitely been an issue at times.
I've done my test on Thyrovanz NZ ( 75mg) too and wasn't impressed; Will finish this lot and go back to Thyroid S ( Thailand which I stopped as it's got a bit of Aluminium & talc) ). Started taking 50mg Thyrovanz NZ at 8.am sublinqually and seems as though I increased my dose ( better absorption) Was going to check the results on this but tired of spending a fortune on tests....plus now the 50mg is Out of stock so need to continue with 25mg..My favourite was NP but very expensive and now they withrew it....Erfa was fine too... ( also has talc ) .....Good LUck
I noticed it takes longer for NDTs to lower the TSH than Levo. I switched to Armour at an equivalent dose of levo and my TSH is still higher than on levo.
The trend seems to be getting the TSH down to less than 1.0 but they lower lab reference ranges all the time.
I'm 65.....as you get older its ok to have lower doses and higher TSHs but like age is just a number so is the TSH. You have to decide how you feel best. And then look at the numbers.
Older people are more prone to osteoporosis and a fib and often react to higher doses. And as one Endo politely told me "your body changes" OMG I hadn't thought of that!!!!
I took levo for 10 years and then all of a sudden it made me sick.
Dosing is complex as you have to consider age....weight....comorbidities....
Activity level....lifestyle????
Its alot more than just TSH. The TSH is a guide not a law.
NDTs often cause palpitations cuz of t3. Splitting the dose may help.
150 mg of an NDT is not the equivalent of 150 mcg of levo.
1 grain of NDT is 38 mcg of T4 and 9 of T3 so it isnt a surprise that your TSH went up. Try not to stress over the numbers.
I also take Thyrovanz with no major problems. I've had total thyroidectomy because of cancer. My doctor was surprised that my # were good and decided to leave well enough alone.
I feel the ups and downs of hot/cold weather and my activity levels, but overall feel better than on levo. I split 150, 1/2 6am, 1/2 about 2pm. Sometimes I slip in another 1/2 in the afternoon if I feel like I'm slowing down or foggy.
Are you aware that you are only on a starting dose? I am taking Thyro-Gold which is a bovine NDT. 150mg is the amount that people start on. If I had your results I would increase my dose.
To give you an idea of dosing. I do not have a functioning thyroid and I need 300mg in summer split into 2 doses over the day, and 450mg-600mg in winter (oct-apr).
I suggest you get blood tests more often than yearly. Minimum of every 3 months so you can pick up when you need to increase/ decrease in a more timely manner. .
Before you ditch bovine NDT, try increasing your dose. 2x150mg a day. 150mg am, 150mg pm.
Take on an empty stomach (at least 4 hours since eating) and wait for 1 hour afterwards before eating. Food affects absorption of thyroid meds (not T3).
I really hope this year sees you finding something that really works for you and makes you feel better 🙂 it’s such a long road to our thyroid recovery and we both know it can be a very bumpy ride !
Im keeping fingers crossed that the Liquid Levo is working for you😀 and that you are started to improve !
am doing ok on Thyrogold so I just need to get my bloods done to see what’s happening with my levels but I do feel much better than being on Levo !!!!
Il keep you posted and please let me know how you’re keeping 🥂let’s hope
Happy New Year to you Kaz. My doctors will not let me trial liquid levo saying is 587 pounds per bottle compared with 2 pounds for tablets...it doesnt matter that I suffer with severe nausea daily for the last 4 and half years it's to costly theve flatley refused....so I've rang the endo I already told him they wouldn't give to me..so I am paying privately for a prescription and I'm going to buy it myself for a month and trial it and see if it makes the difference ...if not I will have to try something else maybe the thyrogold who knows whatever will get rid of this persistent nauseaKeep in tough Kaz and so will I sending love xxxx
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