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CAN STATINS CAUSE THYROID PROBLEMS?

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Alpsholiday

Hi All

I posted here 3 weeks ago that a short 12 week course of statins from Jan 17 ending in April 17 gave me muscle problems.

I have had very many investigations (biopsy, Mri, Emg, CK bloods) and all have been 'normal'

However, the muscle problems have not only persisted but progressed.

The rheumatologist said this:

- That he was sure that statins caused the muscle problems, but they were not the reason for them continuing. He could not say what was

- That statin myotoxicity may have an effect on thyroid function.

Which led me to post my thyroid readings from 24/2/19 on this forum.

TSH 3.71 (0.27-4.20)

FT3 4.27 (3.1-6.8)

FT4 13.400 (12-22)

Thyroglobulin antibody 105 <115

Thyroid peroxidase antibody 19.3 <34

Looking through my past blood results, I could only find this thyroid result pre-statin

On 15/5/16 TSH was 2.2

When I posted the 24/2/19 results 6 people commented that my TSH was too high and my FT4 was too low and that this makes me hypothyroid and a possible cause of my muscle problems - I never had any "muscle problems pre-statin" and I am a keen cyclist.

So, any comments at all greatly appreciated as to whether statins can be implicated in poor thyroid function.

Thanks All!

Alps Holiday

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Hi there,

The short answer is yes they can - I have attached a link for you that you can take to your MD ASAP or get referred to a different physician:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/249...

Here is another published by the NHS:

nhs.uk/conditions/statins/c...

It is clear that there is a relationship between statins and what you are experiencing.

Hope this helps you and good luck with this.

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vocalEK in reply to Greekchick

Oh, yes. In that first Abstract I found this:

"If you have an underactive thyroid (hypothyroidism), treatment may be delayed until this problem is treated. This is because having an underactive thyroid can lead to an increased cholesterol level, and treating hypothyroidism may cause your cholesterol level to decrease, without the need for statins. Statins are also more likely to cause muscle damage in people with an underactive thyroid."

And I stopped taking a statin about 20 years ago when I began waking up with my back muscles in spasm. (The muscle pain topped when I stopped the statin). Currently I am being adequately treated for my hypothyroidism and my last cholesterol test showed my total cholesterol to be 200 (with <200 being "normal").

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Greekchick in reply to vocalEK

So glad this was helpful and that you are doing better off statins! Stay well and good wishes to you!

To clarify, what both links tell you is if you had thyroid disease prior to starting statins, then you would need to control the thyroid problem prior to any treatment with statins. From your post, you suspected you had hypothyroidism - even if mild - and the statins would have exacerbated your problem. You need an endo to review your condition and hopefully this will help. If your muscle problems are that bad, you may need to stop the statins until this improves .

Feel better soon and so sorry you are experiencing this.

Thank you very much greekchick for your informative reply

I did not suspect I had thyroid problems until 3 weeks ago

When 6 people here posted that I was hypothyroid

I came to this forum by luck really, as I was looking for an answer

For my muscle problems because as you know, I have been reviewed in depth by rheumatology, only to be told everything is "normal" - it's certainly not!!!

I stopped the statins in April 17 btw

All the best

So glad it helped! And that you are off the statins. I am hopeful you will be back to your old self as you were not on the statins very long. Treating the thyroid should help your cholesterol All the best!

Just a caveat - I am not a doctor and this would be need to properly assessed by an MD - including stopping your medication.

Agree with Parsnip1964 (love that username) I wouldn’t touch statins unless I really, really, really had no choice. Best to try everything else first. 🤸🏿‍♀️🥛

Thank you missgrace for getting back

I absolutely agree with you about keeping away from statins

As about 1% of people who taKe them (like me) are left with long standing muscle problems, despite stopping them a long time ago

All the best

Alps

Have a read of The Great Cholesterol Con by Dr Malcolm Kendrick, it's not the baddie we all think.

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Alpsholiday in reply to mistydog

Thank you misty dog for getting back

I've had a look at the reviews of this book on Amazon

And yes, the message he gives is to keep way from them

All the best

Alps

Have a look at Dr Malcolm Kendrick's website/blog too. At the 2014 Thyroid UK conference he never mentioned the word statins in his presentation, but in 12 slides he provided enough information to prove that we do not need to lower our cholesterol.

You are obviously aware of the monetary incentive that doctors get from prescribing statins - it’s criminal and like several other corruptions the truth always wins

It looks as if your Thyroglobulin antibodies are high. Has anyone said anything about Hashimotos to you, I have raised Thyroglobulin antibodies too.

Vegans can be short of b12 and this is a connection often implicated with thyroid. Great HU sister site called Pernicious Anemia....

The blood results for thyroid can look ok but if you have been taking supplements with Biotin which is often present in b complex supplements then this gives false high or low results for thyroid and you need to stop supplements for a week before blood draw.

My friends husband has been left with dreadful muscle damage years after stopping Statins the muscles continue to melt away, they are unable to stop this and he is heading for a wheelchair. I have asked them to speak to the specialist about thyroid as he has some symptoms such as loss of end of eyebrows along with numerous others and they don't know if thyroid function was ever tested. The links given above mention it which I will forward to them.

Good luck.

Thank you marymary7for getting back

Thank you for pointing out that thyroglobulins are high too

I am seeing an endo privately on 22/5 and will flag this up

My B12 is fine as the soya milk is fortified with b12 and d3

I don't take anything else except calcium which a vegan diet is very short of

So sorry to hear about your friend's husband with severe muscle damage

Yes please do ask him to keep trying for an answer, like I am

Maybe thyroid function is to blame in both our cases?

All the. Best

Alps

How long have you been drinking soya milk? Do you know that that could be the root of your problem? Soy is very bad for the thyroid, because it impedes the uptake of iodine by the thyroid, and also stops thyroid hormones entering the cells, where it's needed.

Be careful with the extra calcium. A lot of veggies are high in calcium, anyway, but if you're taking calcium supplements, you should also be taking vit K2 - MK7 to make sure that calcium gets into the teeth and bones, and doesn't build up in the soft tissues, causing problems like kidney stones and heart attacks.

Thank you grey goose

I have drunk soya since 1990

I shake now try a substitute, maybe quinoa milk which I shall ,ale myself with powder

Yes, my wife put me on K2 over 2 years ago now, as she said it takes the calcium away from the arteries

Thank you

Alps

You're welcome. :)

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vocalEK in reply to Alpsholiday

You have a smart wife. BTW, whenever I have a medical question such as yours, I go to the Pub Med advanced search site

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/adv...

and type the key words. When I typed "statin thyroid" the site found 239 articles. Now mind you, some of them will require you to consult a dictionary to figure out what they are talking about (these are articles published in peer-reviewed scientific journals), but just reading the Abstracts can give you a rough idea of what's happening.

It's more than likely that the reason you needed statins in the first place - i.e. high cholesterol - is because you had low T3 - i.e. hypothyroidism. There is a direct link between T3 levels and cholesterol levels because, when T3 is low, the body cannot process cholesterol correctly, and it build us in the blood. A TSH of over 2 shows that your thyroid is struggling to make hormone.

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1piglet in reply to greygoose

So true, I had high cholesterol from being a young skinny thirty year old and did the diet (really kept to it) plus I exercised really well but I could never keep my cholesterol down - even on statins I could never get it under 6.5. That is until I recently went on Dr Lowe's Thyro-gold. After 3 months I was tested and my cholesterol had dropped from 8.something to 6.something! We couldn't believe it as I had had to stop taking statins over a year earlier. I had been on a small amount of T4 only up to that point - but that hadn't helped.

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greygoose in reply to 1piglet

Well, cholesterol levels have little to do with diet - and nothing to do with exercise. They're not connected to weight gain, or to eating fat, as most doctors would have you believe. Cholesterol is made in the liver, and it's made in the liver because we need it. Too low levels can kill you. So, this whole statin thing is an absolute farce!

Thank you grey goose for getting back

I did not have high cholesterol- it was 3.0

I may have become hypothyroid after statins as my TSh is now 3.71

And it was 2.20 pre-statin in May 16

I agree with you that statins hqve probably made me hypo

All the best

Alps

I didn't say statins had made you hypo, I said you were probably hypo before you started them. But, if your cholesterol was only 3, why did your doctor put you on statins? That sounds like malpractice, to me!

A TSH of 2.2 shows that your thyroid was already struggling. A TSH of over 2 is not 'normal'.

Thank you grey goose

They strongly encouraged me to take statins, even though my cholesterol.

I suspect this is standard practice for all heart problems?

Yes my TSH of 2.2 pre-statin does suggest I was slightly hypothyroid even then

Thank you for pointing it out

Alps

Well, they get financial incentives for prescribing statins - they don't get anything for levo! - so that's why they are so keen to put people on them. My friend was bullied into taking statins 'just in case'. His cholesterol was a really good level. He became diabetic and I persuaded him to stop the statins. When his doctor found out, he went ballistic! And bullied him back onto them again. He then developed prostate cancer. When I explained to him how the statins had caused the cancer, he swore never to go back on the again. He was very angry about it.

It is a real scandal that doctor prescribe these dangerous drugs for financial gain. I'm lucky that I've never had that battle, because even when I was very hypo, my cholesterol only went 0.1 over the top of the range. I am the one that is in danger of a heart attack! It's far worse to have low cholesterol than high cholesterol!

why oh why did your dr think you should have statins? was he/she trying to kill you?

Hi chippysue

I feel it’s because they’re told to dish them out for anything cardiac related. Doesn’t matter that my cholesterol was 3.0, I was told I “should” be on them

I resisted for some time, then scared of the impending CABG, I took them for 12 weeks total

I complained to my GP every time I saw him that my muscles were affected. Should he not have stopped them?

Eventually I stopped them myself

However, I now feel that the specialist was correct

“That the statins were the cause of the original problem with the muscles, but that has now resolved and something else (he was not sure what) was responsible for the problems continuing

So, I came on here looking for answers and posted

And was very surprised that 6 people all said the same thing

That my TSH was too high and FT4 too low

I shall see a private endo on Friday and run all this by him

What are your thyroid related problems chippysue

Thanks

Alps holiday

Ah - private Endo - same story but you have longer with them. I have seen 4 endocrinologists. My story is long. I lost years of my life waiting for the right dose of the right pill from the right dr but was hugely let down.

I highly recommend seeing Izabella Wentz website, docu series and books.

Finding and treating the root cause of all illnesses is key. Conventional medicine has people seeing an ologies for each part and yet our bodies are joined together as one and we know our own bodies.

I am very well now, as long as I keep away from gp’s and eat a clean diet and keep away from toxins.

Thank you grey goose for getting back

I did not have high cholesterol - please see my other replies

I agree with you that a TSH of over 2 suggests that you are hypothyroid

I am truly hoping that my private endo will look past my "normal" bloods and treat the symptoms

Al the best

Alps

Good Grief greygoose, thanks so much for this! I considered myself well informed but had never hear of the link to T3 and Cholesterol!!!! Was on statins for 10 years and had muscle problems and neuropathy... of course no doctor took it into consideration at all AND THEY QUADRUPLED THE DOSAGE to get my numbers down!!!! I feel like such an idiot for being conned for so many years. Absolutely convinced if I had not been on statins I would not have Graves. Also, depriving cholesterol is bad for the brain. Had massive neurological symptoms and was told "I needed to consider my problems were all psychological"....no one to connect the dots at all. Was far easier to believe a woman was a looney idiot! I was indeed an idiot.... for trusting them all for for so long... it all makes so much sense now.

I really don't think that taking statins would cause Grave's. It's low T3 that causes cholesterol to rise. But, low cholesterol does not cause the T3 to rise.

Are you sure you really had Grave's? Did they test the Grave's antibodies, TRAB or TSI?

But you're right about them wanting to prove a woman is insane, rather than looking for a physical cause!

I read on this forum how many people are undiagnosed for multiple years. I believe I was one of those.... and could have been hypo (for 5 years?) before hyper (for 3 years). That is POSSIBLY where my cholesterol problems might have begun. It's a interesting thing to consider.

Yes, definitely Graves, number of 525 when anything over 140 was Graves. Hashi test was stone cold 0 though. But most definitely had an allergic reaction to the statin drug when my eye was swollen, then a week later my lip was swollen, then hives for 1.5 years.

NO DOCTOR EVER suggested or thought it might have been the drug causing the problem. It was only 10 years later when they quadruped the dose of the statin because my numbers were "too high" that my body broke down. I do not resent being given the drug, what I do resent was there is no real consideration by many (most?) doctors to look at the drugs they are prescribing and consider the risks and adverse effects. I had classic allergic signs and was simply "booted along" to the next specialist. I tell my story only in the hopes that we share and perhaps learn from the mistakes we made....

Personally, I wouldn't say it is a thing to consider because:

* When you're hypo, your cholesterol rises due to the low T3. If you don't have enough T3 in your system, your body cannot process cholesterol correctly, and it mounts up in your blood.

* When you're hyper, you have high levels of T3 in your system, so the body processes cholesterol very well so the levels drop - and can drop to very low levels.

* So, when you 'went hyper' the levels would have dropped very quickly. They wouldn't have stayed stuck on high.

* Also, if you were hypo, you could not have 'gone hyper'. The thyroid just doesn't work like that. If it's so badly damaged, or affected by whatever, it can't suddenly reverse that damage that it starts over-producing.

So, you're saying that you have Grave's but high cholesterol? But, which number was 525? No point just giving a number without a name or a range, because that is meaningless.

And I very much doubt a test for TPO antibodies (the one they usually do for Hashi's) would be zero, because everyone has some in their system, even if they don't have full-blown Hashi's. But, you can have Hashi's without ever having raised antibodies.

However, I've never heard of statins causing either swollen eyes, lips or Grave's. Statins are bad, but they aren't endocrine disrupters. But, what were you taking for the presumed Grave's? Were you on anti-thyroid drugs? Maybe they were the problem. They sent you hypo which caused the cholesterol to rise. I'm afraid I don't really understand your story.

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I am assuming you were prescribed statins if you're cholesterol level was high. In fact if hypo, our cholesterol will rise in some people, which will reduce as thyroid hormones are increased.

It is a clinical symptoms, i.e. higher cholesterol.

Excerpt from link below:

"If you have an underactive thyroid (hypothyroidism), treatment may be delayed until this problem is treated. This is because having an underactive thyroid can lead to an increased cholesterol level, and treating hypothyroidism may cause your cholesterol level to decrease, without the need for statins. Statins are also more likely to cause muscle damage in people with an underactive thyroid.

nhs.uk/conditions/statins/c...

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anniec11 in reply to shaws

This is mindblowing... I have Hypo and am not happy that is is actually being treated correctly..I also have High Cholesterol (6.7) and my GP is furious that I keep refusing Statins. I am 100% certain he doesn't have the faintest idea about a possible Hypothyroid connection. Frightening.

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greygoose in reply to anniec11

Of course he doesn't. He knows little about thyroid and nothing about cholesterol - except what Big Pharma sales-reps tell him. And, they just want to sell statins! He's losing money by you refusing them, so no wonder he's furious! lol

If you have any blood test results, post them here - or rather in a new thread - and let's have a look. It's more than likely that you're being treated inadequately.

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Don’t want to interrupt someone else’s thread but!! I have an under active thyroid, AFib, a Chadvasc score of 4 and I’m over 75! I’m on statins but would really rather not be - but which way to go??

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That sounds complicated. But, my personal believe, after all the reading I've done, is that cholesterol is not going to cause a stroke. Further more, statins don't work for women - and only work for men if they've previously had a heart attack.

It is not cholesterol causing your AFib. They just like to chuck statins at you at the slightest excuse. If it were me, I would tell them where to put their statins, given all the harm they can do - without any real benefits - but I feel you really must do your own research. And, if I were you, I would start with Dr Malcolm Kendrick, books and blog, and go on to Dr Broda Barns books.

But, to start you off, I'll link you to this wonderful article:

spacedoc.com/articles/50-fa...

:)

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Many thanks. Di

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You're welcome. :)

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I blame the thyroid for my Afib. If I didn’t have such a high Chadvasc score I don’t think I would bother with statins. But being a female, over 75, and high blood pressure all adds up.

Di

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greygoose in reply to Hidden

But, is your cholesterol high?

In any case, statins - as far as I know - have nothing to di with blood viscosity. And, as I said, statins just do not do anything for women, they don't have any effect on women. And they are not recommended for hypos - hypos really shouldn't take them.

High blood pressure can also be down to being hypo. Are you sure you're adequately medicated?

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I rattle! 125 Levo, 2 different diuretics, beta-blocker, anti-coagulant and Atorvastatin. Cholesterol 4.3 on statin, 6.7 without. Guess I worry about plaque build-up versus clots in blood stream! Have stopped the statins no end of times then thought better of it. D

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But the cholesterol is not responsible for the plaque. It is natures sticking plaster, and when there is damage to the blood vessels, it forms a sort of bandage over it, while it heals. That is why you're more likely to have a heart attack when cholesterol is low, than when it is high, because you don't have that natural healing agent. Cholesterol doesn't just form blockages in the arteries for no reason. That is a myth spread by Big Pharma to scare people and make them take statins.

By lowering your cholesterol with statins, you risk so many other health problems - all noted in that article I linked you to. Have you read it?

Being under-medicated doesn't mean how many pills you're taking, it means are you taking enough thyroid hormone. :)

And, no point telling me how much levo you're taking, that won't tell me if you're under-medicated. It's the blood test results that will tell us that: TSH, FT4 and FT3. But, on just 125 mcg, the likelihood is that you are under-medicated. It's only a low dose.

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Had Drs test last week but didn’t stop B vitamins so TSH 0.02 T4 12.6 range 7-20.

Medichecks last year TSH 0.029 TSH 24.1 12-22 T3 5.04 3.10-6.80. Antibody negligible

Drs want to decrease Levo not increase it!

D

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Yes, they would, because they don't understand anything about thyroid! They are just looking at your low TSH, and don't know that that tells them nothing on its own.

The most important number is the FT3, and yours is only just mid-range. You don't convert at all well. So, now your FT4 is lower than last year - a lot lower! - your FT3 is going to be lower, too, meaning that you are under-medicated. And, that is why your cholesterol is high, and you have heart problems.

What you need is not statins, it's some T3 added to your levo.

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If only I knew where to buy it safely!!😱

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Ask. Just write a new thread asking people to PM you their trusted sources. :)

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shawsAdministrator in reply to anniec11

That's why it is necessary to join forums so that we can be helped to achieve good health if the professionals are uninformed. We can always double-check that the professional's advice is correct.

For instance I wonder how many of the following symptoms that are known as due to being hypothyroid will be prescribed another 'prescription' rather than ensuring that Free T4 and Free T3 are in the upper part of the ranges and TSH is 1 or lower. If TSH is 1 or lower doctors seem to 'jump' to a conclusion that we're now hyPERthyroid and will begin to adjust our dose, which can mean we are on a 'roundabout' of increases/decreases and not reaching an optimal dose.

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/about_...

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Alpsholiday in reply to shaws

Thank you shaws for this post, very informative but scary too!

I am seeing a private endo on 22/5

I am sincerely hoping that he listens to my symptoms first

Before just looking at my high normal TSH

And my low normal FT4

What has been your experience with Endo's please, if any?

I fully understand that GP's have to play it by the'book' as they are mindful of litigation if they get it wrong

But Endo's? Surely they can look beyond numbers and concentrate on getting the patient healthy again?

All the best

Alps

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My experience with an endo is that they are fixated upon the TSH rather than ensuring that our Free T4 and Free T3 are optimum. Rarely does the doctors test these two important resultls.

One of the last doctors to diagnose by clinical symptom alone, died a couple of years ago. For doing as he was trained as a medical student (he was a virologist) was being sent patients whose doctors stated they had 'mysterious' symptoms and they couldn't diagnose.

I assume that was because doctors took a blood test and the guidelines in UK state that we're not to be diagnosed until the TSH reaches 10. No mention of clinical symptoms.

The above doctor found the majority of patients he was being sent had hypo symptoms and prescribed for them. Evenutally as this doctor was getting many referrals, the authorities must have complained as he was called before the GMC more than once because he diagnosed and prescribed upon symptoms.

This is the story of one of his successes.

By the way, at the GMC at his last appearance - there were 10,000 testimonial letters bound in Red Ledgers from his patients whose 'lives Dr Skinner saved'. He was discharged as doing nothing wrong but there was no let up and he appeared several times before the GMC before the last one. Unfortunately for us (people travelled from all over the UK) he died and his staff have been collating all of their research and hope to published but am not sure when.

mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/m...

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Alpsholiday in reply to shaws

Hi Shaws

I have posted 5 topics since I joined this forum

How do I revisit them please?

Thank you

Alps holiday

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You click on your own name or icon. Which takes you to your profile, here: healthunlocked.com/user/alp...

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Thank you helvella

And so simple!

Alps

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Alpsholiday in reply to shaws

Thank you shaws for getting back

Please see my other replies re my cholesterol levels

I was certainly not offered any thyroid tests before being given statins

As I probably should have

All the best

Alps

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It is amazing what doctors do NOT know. That is - few, if any, clinical symptoms of hypothyroidism.

My experience was similar to yours. Cholesterol 8.7, put on statins which caused severe hip and back pain always at night so I was unable to sleep. At that point the doctor did a thyroid test and found I was hyperthyroid, put me on Levo, but didn’t stop the statins. I finally stopped them myself, but it took almost a year for the pains to disappear. I was foolishly persuaded to try a different statin as cholesterol was still high. Within two weeks the pains had returned. Stopped them immediately much to the GPS frustration with me.

When I finally persuaded them to increase my Levo to get the TSH down below 1 the cholesterol came down to 5.5. At that time I wasn’t doing private bloods so had no idea what the T3 reading was. I now know it’s gone up to at least to over half way through the range, TSH recently 1.2

If I try to raise T3 more so that it gets to the 75% area, the T4 goes above range and TSH goes to around 0.007. I’ve finally worked out that it’s the high T4 that gives me ectopic heart beats which I get if it take 125mg of Levo. I probably need some T3, but it’s a battle I’ve not even suggested to my GP.

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Alpsholiday in reply to Zeph43

Thank youzeph33 for getting back

Sorry to hear about your statin related muscle problems

By reading your post It does seem that treatment for thyroid problems depends very much on the doctor you are seeing

It shouldn't be like this

The doctor should treat your symptoms - full stop

Please keep away from statins

All the best

Alps

Thank you very much parsnip1964 for getting back

The reason I was put on statins was because I had severe artherosclerosis

(Family history) I had CABG on 2/2/17

My cholesterol in Dec 16 was 3.0

This is probably because I have eaten a vegan diet since 1990

As you know there is NO cholesterol in a vegan diet

As the body makes just what it needs

After the 12 weeks on statins the cholesterol was 2.4

It is now back to 3.0

All the best

Alps

Hello Alps.

Don't let them con you.... there are indeed severe side effects from statins for some people. My problem was I absolutely trusted my doctors, all of whom were very nice people, but kept getting bounced from specialist to specialist for those "other" problems that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH (ha!) the massive dose of statins I was given to "find the magic number" to get my cholesterol down.

See also my reply to greygoose.... Absolutely and utterly convinced I would not have Graves disease if I had gone off statins immediately after my first allergic reaction, but I stayed on them for 10 years, idiot that I was. Much smarter now. I found that changing to Paleo diet for 5 years not only put my Graves into remission (so far so good) but also radically lowered all my cholesterol numbers. I have never tested after that... some people need more cholesterol for their brain to function properly I am convinced. But everyone needs to consider their personal history and make their own informed decisions.

Before going off statins, I spoke with Dr. Beatrice Golumb, of the Statin Effect Study, at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD). Take a look a their website. It is very informative and helpful. She is a brilliant woman trying to get the word out, but there is simply too much money involved and her voice not being heard as it should.

Good luck to you.

Post Script: Sorry, Dr. Beatrice A. Golomb, at UCSD is the correct spelling of her name.

I replied to an earlier post of yours.

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

You said that you previously tried CoQ10 for a couple of months. Muscle damage and fatigue are two of the most common side-effects of statins. Once that damage is done you cannot expect CoQ10 to quickly rectify it. It takes time. And with the kind of damage that you described, I would have taken CoQ10 twice or thrice daily and I would've continued with it indefinitely, because CoQ10 naturally drops as we age. But you had the added problem of taking statins which are known to deplete CoQ10. Also, CoQ10 ought to be taken with fatty/oily food - the same applies to taking Vit D3. If you're vegan, what fatty/oily foods are you consuming with these supplements?

Your Vit D3 result was, ages ago, 72 NMOL, and as such it was too low, according to progressive clinicians, such as Preventative Cardiologist Dr William Davis and NeuroSurgeon Dr Tim Watt. What is your present Vit D3 lab score?

You previously said that you consume soya. Soya is known to cause thyroid dysfunction. Soya can also cause gut problems. You've also said that you've been vegan for 20-30 years, so I'm wondering what kind of diet led to, or contributed to, your triple bypass and severe arteriosclerosis?

In short, with regard your lipid panel:

HDL should ideally be at the upper end of the lab ref. range, and Triglycerides should ideally be at the lower end of the lab ref. range.

Here's the first of the two Statin Nation films. You can rent/buy both online:

youtu.be/iZctVYxiW2w

youtu.be/eozfyuRtjAU

Thank you londinium for your responses

My artherosclerosis was solely due to the family connection

I have no obvious risk factors such as lack of exercise, blood pressure, obesity, high cholesterol etc

My half brother and father both had heart problems

So, if anything, my vegan diet saved me when I had my "heart scare" while riding my bike on 15/5/16

There is some mono saturated fat in vegan food, and I'm happy with that

However, I looked into soya as you suggested, and yes, it can be

Goitre genic, so I shall try a substitute for a few weeks to we if it helps.

My vit d done on 24/2/19 was 75, but I shall take a supplement as you suggest

Thank you

Alps Holiday

Hi Alps Holiday

Your family's diet is of interest/concern, as it may/not have been instrumental in causing heart issues.

I don't know what you're expecting to achieve by dropping the soya for a FEW WEEKS? And there's little point in taking CoQ10 once per day for just two months after statins have caused a major depletion, in addition to the natural depletion that comes with aging.

As for your Vit D3, it needs to be double what it is, and you need to also take Vit K2-MK7, if you're not already doing so. And Magnesium.

I think, if anything, it was your exercise/health that saved you. With regard your vegan diet, if it was high in carbs/sugars/starches and you were consuming veg oils/seed oils (e.g. sunflower oil, rapeseed oil, canola, mazola, etc), your diet would have been contributing to cardiovascular disease.

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