Tom Brimeyers supplements

[Lilbabysan12]

Hi everyone, I am wondering if any one has used Tom Brimeyers ( forefront health) vitamins, collagen and his dessicated thyroid. Ty

[Hypogirl60]

Hi, yes I have but based in the uk so expensive to import in. I use the vitamin ADK drops and have used the vitamin B complex. Have just purchased progesterone but can’t use this or any brand because it gives me servere headaches. With regards to collagen I use Great Lakes which I can source in the uk even though it’s a US brand this is very good. I quite like Tom Brimeyers products and approach to thyroid problems for me he makes sense. I hope this helps.

[Lilbabysan12 in reply to Hypogirl60]

I know this sounds crazy, but when you took the ADK drops and the vitamin B complex, did it give you any side effects or make you feel funny? I am so afraid of medicine and supplements....I want to get over this fear, but I have to make sure they are safe. ( I have had a few bad experiences) do you take anything else for your thyroid if you don't mind me asking? and ty for replying....I've never been on a group site before...lol

[Hypogirl60 in reply to Lilbabysan12]

When self medicating it is a bit trial and error and you take it slowly this site is good and given me advice and courage to go it alone. I can’t say how they will affect you or if you may be better supervised if anxious. I have been to see Dr Peatfield and take his recommended thyroid and adrenal glandulars as well as vitamin C the forefront ADK which I have taken for a couple of years and tolerate very well no funny feelings a B complex with B12 methylated which is the best type this one is not forefront’s but I do swap around sometimes, Forefront B complex if I remember is in alcohol. I also take the Great Lakes gelatine. I would always recommend the best quality if you can afford it. Good luck Lilbabysan12.

[Lilbabysan12 in reply to Hypogirl60]

Ty so very much....I did just order ty the great lakes collagen. I'm gonna take one supplement at a time. I have to go to the docs soon and I bought the sttm book and I am gonna have my requests for blood work. That scares me so bad cause I've been off all meds for quite a while and afraid to see where things are at. But what I do know is that I will get all the info i can from kind people like you to help guide my next steps ❤

[Annkapp]

I have used the vitamin A, D, K drops (about 1/2 bottle so far). I feel they are more gentle (less chance of side effects) than pills. I am recovering from problems digesting fats (and hypothyroid) so trying to increase my fats and fat soluble vitamins. Just starting on the liquid vitamin E and feel I tolerate it much better than the gel pills. I also do the Great Lakes collagen which I tolerate better than other collagens (haven’t tried forefront version).

I would NOT recommend the progesterone forefront sells because it is made from YAMs and it is my understanding humans cannot convert it into usable progesterone hormone. I use compounded natural progesterone in slow release formula capsule.

I currently am using (methylated) B vitamins from other companies (like pure encapsulation) that I am happy with so not planning on changing. Methylated form is the most easily absorbed.

[Lilbabysan12 in reply to Annkapp]

Thank you for replying...Any info you can give to help is so greatly appreciated...I was wondering if you seen any difference in your health with the a d k drops? They r quite expensive but if it will help my health and thyroid I will get them...

[Annkapp in reply to Lilbabysan12]

It would help me to reply if I knew what you were hoping to expect. For me it helped soften my skin (had bad skin flakes from dryness before and elbows and knees were hard like alligator skin). Also my hair is more shiny (not dry) and split ends seem to be less now. Also I had a large wort on my leg for several years. Tried every topical on it but it kept growing back. Then I noticed not too long ago that it was gone! The theory is that there is also healing going on internally as well (digestive system/ lining) but harder to notice the benefit yet. Also A,D and K is great for the bones but a person can’t detect a difference unless it is over a long period of time. I also am taking for my gums (they were receding badly but no gingivitis or bleeding). Now I have noticed the receding is a lot less or has even stopped.

I don’t mind spending the extra on the vit A, D, K drops (and vitamin E) because

They are clean products (no bad ingredients to react to). I like the fact the drops contain A,D and K which should be taken together. I would have to buy 2 products otherwise because usually I can find a&D or D&K or all three separately but not all 3 together. So there is some savings because all three are in one product.

Finally I like the fact it is a lower dose of all 3 which are taken 2-3 Times a day so I am getting the benefit throughout the day. Also because they are fat soluble vitamins I worry about getting too much with high dose pills (because excess fat soluble vitamins are not excreted in the urine like water soluble vitamins). With the vitamin A, D,K drops I do not worry about getting too much.

Another thing I should mention is I am also taking Betain HCL and Pepsin, Ox Bile and Lypase enzymes for fat digestion which I had a problem with.

Hypothyroid people often have problems with digestion so you should consider that. If you can’t digest and absorb food well than you can’t absorb vitamins and minerals in supplements well either and so will be waisting money on supplements.

I do have a little more energy with better digestion and absorbing fats and fat soluble vitamins, however, I am still hypothyroid.

Hope I gave you the information you were looking for.

[Redlester in reply to Annkapp]

Annkapp - I am at my wits end and was thinking of trying Tom's progesterone drops so what you said about them not being beneficial was really helpful to me. Can you tell me what brand of compounded natural progesterone you used and where you got it from?

Thanks

Tiredlady

[Annkapp in reply to Redlester]

It is not a brand. I get a script from my doctor which I take to a compounding pharmacy. Currently I am taking a slow release progesterone capsule at night. It says progesterone 50mg meth caps on the bottle (50 mg is a pretty low dose, you may need more). In the past I have used a vaginal progesterone cream (ie. 1ML (20mg) progesterone 2% cream applied daily) which was compounded at a compounding pharmacy also. I live in the United States so I do not know if you have this type of pharmacy in the UK.

[Annkapp in reply to Redlester]

This is considered true progesterone (vs. progestins which are often referred to as progesterone but in fact are NOT progesterone).

[Binobebe in reply to Redlester]

I know you posted 2 years ago but I wanted to share that after much research I started Tom's progesterone. It is derived from wild yam's HOWEVER it has been converted to bio molecular progesterone in a lab, which is the only way to get the benefits. I am not a health expert but I have been taking it for a short time ( at least 2 cycles) and it has been life changing for me. What you need to watch out for is wild yam creams claiming to provide natural progesterone because in most cases the wild yam hasn't been converted and it's just an extract and your body can't convert the extract into progesterone....from what I've researched.

[Redlester in reply to Binobebe]

Thank you so much Binobebe for replying to me on this. I'm currently using a bioidentical cream and am in my 4th cycle of it but have recently been mulling over whether to try the Forefront health progesterone oil, so your post is really timely!!. Do you apply it to the gums like he suggests?

[Binobebe in reply to Redlester]

amazing! especially since I only stumbled on this thread looking for something else. I find the easiest way is to put 3 drops onto my hand, lick it with the tip of my tongue and rub it into my gums with my tongue and then rub the rest into my hand. That way I don't contaminate the dropper by mistake. There may be another way but this works for me. Good luck. I hope it helps you 😊

[Lilbabysan12 in reply to Binobebe]

how the the progesterone helped u...I just bought some and I haven't started it yet..

[Binobebe in reply to Lilbabysan12]

For me, my hot flashes stopped almost within days. My menstrual cycle is back on after it stopped for over 2 months and erratic. I also feel calmer. I think the results all depend on where your own body is at and whether or not you're making other changes. I personally changed my diet to fuel my body instead of starving it. I also take grass fed liver capsules. My hair has even started filling in the patchy areas where I felt like I was going bald and I am stronger than ever in my weight training. It's not just one things to fix all ails. You have to take a rounded approach. I feel like the progesterone drops has been a good addition to all my other changes. I hope it's not a placebo affect. 😊

[Redlester in reply to Binobebe]

that is great you are having such good results with it Binobebe - apologies for bombarding you with questions but I'm very interested and it is good to talk to someone actually using it. How much of a dose does 3 drops of the oil deliver? how many times per day are you using it? and how long after you rub it around your gums do you have to wait before eating or drinking anything? BTW are you in UK - because some american sites say they can't ship hormones outside the US and when you go through the process of ordering and then get to the checkout stage they only tell you at that point that they can't fulfil the order

[Binobebe in reply to Redlester]

hi Redlester, the bottle says each drop provides 3mg of bio-identical progesterone and a dose is 1-3 drops. Frequency is dependant upon why you're taking it. I am peri-menopausal and I think if I am not mistaken I can take up to 5x a day. I cycle 3 weeks on 1 week off. Dosage is outlined in the listing, so you should look up what's suitable for you. I usually eat or drink right after if I remember to take it before a meal but sometimes I just take the drops if it's in between. The gums are meant to absorb it right away so I don't really wait. I am in the UK and I was able to receive it. Most likey you will pay VAT plus charges. I ordered the progesterone and Cascara and paid about £20 to Royal Mail. It's worth it. I haven't found a reliable UK source. It did take a while though to get to me. It just depends on how services are working during the pandemic. My first order ended up in another country. After a month I re-ordered and recieved both within days of each other within 2 weeks. So I have my next supply already. Pregnenelone for some reason won't ship to the UK from forefronthealth but I did find a UK source on Amazon made by Biomatrix. I don't know if that's helping but my husband and I both take it. He takes it regularly when he remembers and I take it on my week off of progesterone. Don't know if that's the right way of doing it but ..that's how I am doing it🤷‍♀️. If you have further question you should contact them directly as they are very helpful and more informed. I mean I'm a newbie to this 😄. I hope this was somewhat helpful to you 😊.

[Redlester in reply to Binobebe]

Thank you so much Binobebe for ALL of that brilliant information. So incredibly helpful!! It is top of my to do list now to go to his site - I'm also interested in his vitamin E oil which he sells as a sort of bundle with the progesterone oil. Excellent tip re the pregnenolone on the break week [and thanks for sharing your source] - I'll have to have a think about that, but I'm just wondering, in terms of the hormonal cascade [where hormones get manufactured into other hormones in the body] if pregnenolone converts into progesterone in the body are you not then sort of "cheating" during the break week? The science behind the break is that progesterone receptors need to "refresh" and if they don't get that chance to refresh then the progesterone you are using won't work as well. I am just wondering whether if you are using pregnenolone on break week whether that will impact the progesterone receptors that way. That's great that Forefront does deliver to the UK, although my current supplier seems to bypass the customs charges rubbish. Great that you are getting such good results with it and thanks again for the info.

[Binobebe in reply to Redlester]

Happy to help! I get what you're saying about the pregnenolone and I don't know the FULL science behind it. However, from what I understand it's not just a precursor for progesterone but for other hormones as well, testosterone, estrogen, cortisol, etc. Although we don't need a ton of these in our body, we still need it to some degree. For example, I read that women who put on fat behind the arms, back and hips are lacking testosterone. So, I like to think the pregnenolone is boosting this to a level I may need.

For my source it's just 2 drops twice a day. I like to think it's giving me a boost for all my other hormones as I need them to. It's meant to help with mood, memory, energy,combat fatigue. Currently, I seem to be off the progesterone when I am actually having my period so the drops helps to keep me even.

Is it actually doing this? Who knows. I take a very pragmatic approach and go based on how I feel. Of course, I am not relying on these drops alone. Your diet, the amount you exercise, the amount you rest all plays into your balance. I used to be a heavy restricter in terms of carbs. I could fast for 20hrs a day and keto at the same time. It turns out this was very stressful for my body and although I was looking great, my period stopped, my hair was falling out, something was wrong.

So I have been trying to achieve a less stressed state body. I still train hard but I feed myself now. I never exercise with an empty tank. Have re-introduced simple sugars back into my diet. Cut out all the heavy fibers that my body couldn't digest. Eat carrots everyday. Take grass fed Liver capsules, supplement with zinc and magnesium ( because I can't eat oysters). Drink organic/grass fed milk, eat cheese, drink orange juice, have fruit. I think Tom touches upon the diet and best foods to eat, somewhere.

All of these together has made me feel 'myself' again. I am stronger than I've ever been and after 3 months I am starting to see the excess body fat come off, even with all the sugar I am having.

So, my long point is...yes, these supplements have helped me immensly but it's with all the other changes in my lifestyle that's bringing on the positive outcomes. At least that's how I've been approaching it.

I know you didn't ask but I thought it would be prudent to mention the other points above. It not just the progesterone and pregnenolone that has made the difference but it has definitely contributed. Good luck! 😊

[Redlester in reply to Binobebe]

yes Binobebe my approach would be similar to yours [sleep/diet(good and broad ranging) and exercise plus appropriate supps etc] and I completely agree that you cant expect to take the progesterone only and expect it to do all the work. Now what you say re the pregnenolone and the testosterone is interesting and I will have to research that further for myself, because although I haven't done any tests or a anything, symptom wise, I could be lacking in testosterone and a lot of women my age [meno -eugh!!!] are lacking in it and could benefit from it, but I am also hypo [not sure if you are] and so would have to check whether it would be beneficial or harmful to me. You say "It's meant to help with mood, memory, energy, combat fatigue" and I could certainly do with help in all of those departments!!! Thankfully at the moment I don't have a weight problem - at times my problem is keeping weight on. Magnesium is a very important co-factor with progesterone and at the moment I'm using mag chlo oil though it is a bit tedious to have to keep rubbing it onto various body parts although having said that it does bypass the digestive system that way; I have tried with other mag supps but without success as they always seem to hoover up all my stomach acid which has painful knock on effects for other parts of my digestive system so for me the holy grail of supps would be a magnesium supp which I could take which wouldn't hoover up my stomach acid. Keep in touch with your progress and what is working and what's not - great that you have got the progesterone early - I didn't even know peri-m was a "thing" until I hit meno and suffered for years needlessly without it ending up quite deficient and very miserable!!!

[Binobebe in reply to Redlester]

absolutely...I didn't know peri-m was a thing...a friend kept on saying I was and I thought she was crazy...I thought I had bags of time left but then everything stopped...and then the night sweats hit. I feel like I nipped it in the bud. I don't have a thyroid issue although a very good friend does. I ended up down this path trying to help her. Still trying. She's not ready to make major changes 😔. I adopted this path because thyroid issue or not, I think many women suffer needlessly in this dept.😊

All the best to you and good luck!

[Redlester in reply to Binobebe]

Thanks Binobebe. You too!

[Paloalto in reply to Binobebe]

Hi there, I was thinking about buying the Progesterone too but reluctant because of the price. Just wondering how it’s been working for you? Thank you! 🤗

[Annkapp]

I think forefront heath has great with information on thyroid health on its website!

[Longinthetooth]

Hi

I've been following Tom's diet for a little over 18 months now. I'd say he knows his stuff as he was a sufferer also so proceeded to research.

I also use Great Lakes Collagen powder.

I have tried his recommended supplements. The progesterone drops gave me headaches & sombre thoughts & the thyroid glandular didn't suit me either.

I was eventually started on Levothyroxine by my Endo at the end of 2017 & felt like I'd got my life back. Initially I was put on Wockardt but that made me feel nauseous & made my legs ache. Next one was Eltroxin which initially was great but after a couple of months I was starting to put weight back on, bad spots/acne on face & scalp, loose bowels & terrible night sweats.

I've now decided to self-medicate & been on Thyroid S for 10 days & my weight is coming off, my spots are not as bad & my bowels are more normal. I think I've taken too much some times as I get a bit weary so I'm adjusting the dosage to see how I feel.

I hope I've done the right thing by taking this step but I really don't like Levo.

Sorry to have gone on.

[Lilbabysan12 in reply to Longinthetooth]

Thank you so much for replying...levoxothyrine did a number on me....I finally got off of it 2 months after they upped me to 75 and I was a crazy hot mess...heart palpitations a weird rage...like I was on speed but I couldn't concentrate to get anything done...I let the doc office know I was worse than ever and she had a half laugh and said she didn't know what to say that the labs r good....I've been off for a very long time...tried to take a small dose and had same effects....so I was too afraid to do anything...(I have panic disorder). I'm ready to begin again with the awesome help of people like you...let me know you do....I bought Tom's plan and was so upset with the lack of foods to eat....have you had noticable results with his diet plan? If you don't mind could you tell me how long you have been hypo and since getting off levox... what is your regiment....thank you again...and listening to me❤

[Longinthetooth in reply to Lilbabysan12]

Hi

I've been hypo for about 6 years. I started to guess that I was 2/3 years ago. Always very tired & had headaches but bloods always came back normal. Not to go into too much detail I had a benign pituitary pea sized tumour removed in 2015 & I thought all the symptoms would go away but no. I've been monitored under an Endo who wouldn't put me on any medication so when I had my appt in December I said if you don't start me on meds then I'll be very ill to which he decided to start me on 25mcg of Levo which worked until all the side effects.

I found Tom's H Revolution book & bought it. Yes, it is a restricted diet, you have to make your own food & you become very conscious that eating out is difficult because we now only use butter or coconut oil & no Pufa's & everywhere seems to cook in bad oils. Occasionally I would like to grab something quick to eat but I don't. I always had porridge for breakfast but now have eggs, a healing shake or fruit smoothie as in the book. I eat a normal evening meal but always fry/roast in coconut oil. If I'm going out I take food with me. The secret is to plan ahead. It's not easy but we want to be well. I avoid flour completely, so no bread, pasta, etc.

You definitely lose some weight. I think I'm now a food snob! I'm not tee-total, I do like a beer.

I was worried about self-medicating with Thyroid S but I'm losing faith in the doctors regarding thyroid problems, they put us all in the same category. The big pharmaceutical companies are making a lot of money from us. My doctor said to me last year when I went once again about being tired "there's nothing wrong with your thyroid & watch your weight". I crawled out of her door.

I hooe that NDT works for me as it seems to do for so many on this site. I take 1/2 tablet on waking then the other 1/2 mid afternoon. I don't need a huge dose like some.

Persevere if you can. There are so many people on here who offer help.

[Pinkpeony]

Gosh b p that is an eye opener . The trouble is most GPS are only capable of looking at figures on a blood test at my surgery at least Pp

[Lilbabysan12]

I have only been using coconut oil, olive and butter...but the pufas are in so many things that I wouldn't have guessed...I hope you feel better...

[Londinium]

Restaurants and cafes use cheap industrial veg oils i.e. sunflower oil and rapeseed oil. This has been the case for many, many years. Check the tubs of food in the supermarkets, and you'll find the same. Although the hummus in supermarkets says olive oil on the lid, look closely and you're likely to find sunflower oil or rapeseed oil in the small print. The video of the lecture 'The Oiling Of America' details the issues with this decades-long trend, and the documentary The Magic Pill.

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

🖖🏻

[Annkapp]

What is restricted on Tom's plan?

[Longinthetooth in reply to Annkapp]

Hi

Restrictions are - flour, oils, certain fruit & veg, nuts & gluten free products because they have another kind of flour in.

You go back to eating full fat, fresh food that you have to cook yourself. It's not easy but our mothers had to cook that way before convenience food came in which is full of additives which are no good.

[origami]

Hello - I was diagnosed with Hashimotos about 19 years ago - I'm 68 and have been using NDT for years as levothyroxine from the NHS caused side effects. I have been through a very stressful exhausting time over a few years and my health has suffered. I have digestive issues, hiatus hernia, joint pain, sweating episodes, thin hair . fatigue and episodes where my pulse and Blood Pressure have gone high then gone down. Thyroid blood tests show that my T3 is low. I am waiting to go for a 24 hour Ambulatory Blood Pressure and heart test. In the meantime I am trying to help myself. I will get a Reverse T3 test and Adrenal sufficiency saliva test. I am going to clean up my diet to support my liver, heart and arteries, start listening to mindfulness cd. I spoke to Dr Peatfield years ago and got advice from the late great Sheila Turner. I have Nutri Adrenal in my cupboard and B5 which I hope will help me absorb thyroid hormone better. In integrative health circles natural progesterone does not seem as popular. I used to use the cream years ago but was concerned about it being stored in fatty tissue and causing problems after a few months use. I have just got a bottle of Molecular progesterone Complex from Forefront Health. I am hoping it will help to reduce my blood pressure and help with bloating. I looked online about how to use it - and was surprised to see that it can be rubbed on gums! I thought I had read on Tom's site that it could be rubbed into painful joints. Just wondering what is best application to avoid it being stored in tissue.