My scan shows my liver is slightly fatty which Isna gd as I have heart failure,any advice on this pls
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'Isna gd' ? ? ?
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Isna gd... reading the context I think this means: is not good (don't you think?) probably mobile phone predictive txt?
Maybe.
Unfortunately if you write on forums where people are all ages and come from different walks of life using predictive text you cannot expect everyone to understand it so you limit the replies you could possibly get.
It hadn't occurred to me that it might be predictive text. I did understand what was being said it just annoys me a little. If someone can't be bothered to write their question properly why should others answer properly. It is also in posting guidelines I believe. I'm dyslexic and always struggle with spelling but do my utmost to get it right. It also means I can struggle to understand some abbreviations.
Didna no u can't shorten texs on here
I always shorten Tex didn't no u cudnt on here
Didn't no I can't shorten my texs on here
Isn't good
isna good - maybe lizzielayla is Scottish?
It would depend on why your liver is slightly fatty. The is NASH, NAFLD etc. nhs.uk/conditions/fatty-liv...
Sometimes, for some people, it can be related to alcohol intake, hepatitis etc. For some, it's a family thing or can be related to excess body weight.
Your GP will probably discuss the report with you and let you know if further investigation is needed, depending on the underlying cause.
Can be cause of my heart of meds I'm on,thanks
shawsAdministrator
First I am sorry you have heart failure. I wouldn't be surprised if it was connected to your hypothyroidism as well (bearing in mind I am in no way medically qualified). Are you on an optimum of thyroid hormones? ie a TSH of 1 or lower.
Fatty Liver can also be due to hypothyroidism and we often have higher cholesterol (cholesterol should reduce on optimum thyroid hormones) I'd get them to check your Free T4 and Free T3. If FT3 is low, your bodies metabolism is also slow.
Just a few thoughts from someone who has had fatty liver 15 years ago
I saw a consultant who said cut out fat, but I've since learned that it's not the fat that's the problem. Healthy fat is essential to brain function.
Too high a consumption of carbohydrates, bread, confectionery, crisps, grains, sugar, processed food etc if not used as energy, gets converted to fat and stored in the liver. Likewise, toxins from chemicals, drugs, pesticides on our food etc.
The best thing I found was to eat home made meals with plenty of veggies, go easy on the fruit (sugar) oily fish, meat, poultry, eggs and plenty of filtered water
Also Milk Thistle ( capsules) supports the liver, helps to cleanse the liver, as does nettle and dandelion, all available as teas
I hope this helps you, but if you'd prefer to read more on this, I found 'the liver detox book' useful for understanding more about it, but if you're online type in Dr.Myhill. She is fantastic, researches Thyroid, M.E, CFS and gives so much information on diet, including the liver.
All the best with your efforts, and hope you see great results.
Thanks I will look it up
Eat less fructose (table sugar, fruit and pre-made sauces) and avoid alcohol. A low carb diet might also help.
Thanks,I don't drink at all
Table sugar isn't fructose. It's sucrose which is about 50/50 glucose and fructose. Sugar generally is not good for you, although fruit has lots of fibre and other nutrients and generally does not affect your blood sugar as much as eating sugar in other forms such as cakes, sugary drinks, processed foods etc
As you just stated, table sugar is about 50% fructose, so it counts as a problem for NAFLD. Even too much fruit can be a problem if you are susceptible to fatty liver - even with fibre. Many sources advise less than 50g of fructose per day (which would mean that a lot of fruit could be a problem, depending on the type of fruit). Mercola advises 25g. That doesn't mean that you shoudln't eat any fruit but that you should be aware that eating a lot can be as bad as eating processed food. Fructose acts like alcohol in the liver, so being a fruitarian would be a bad choice for some people. See ajcn.nutrition.org/content/... and articles.mercola.com/sites/...
What is your thyroid status? Hypothyroid is a huge stress on the heart, but this doesn't seem to be on the radar of some docs. Also while I was hypothyroid, I had symptoms of liver dysfunction (but was never diagnosed fatty liver).
Assuming you are not using alcohol and other liver-toxic substances. Hep C can also be a problem. As far as naturopathic treatment for fatty liver, I've heard NDs mention that both milk thistle and dandelion are helpful.
Say my thyroids fine,but my heart cud cause it
I would be wary of any doctor who says something is "normal" or "fine"! Whether we're talking about thyroid or something else, you need to know what test(s) the doctor is running, results, and normal range for each. If the doc ran only a TSH test, then I would simply say that is insufficient and inconclusive.
Are you from Scotland Lizzielaylaya?
Yes
Your "which Isna" = gave it away - not texting, just Scots_ing. I live in Newcastle - visit regularly - love Scotland 
I read somewhere that if you puree bamboo shoots and add to meals several times a day it reduces fatty liver. Or something.
Are you taking statins by any chance? They increase the risk of heart failure and don't increase lifespan. Women live longer with higher cholesterol levels. Take a look at the graphs in this link :
drmalcolmkendrick.org/2012/...
To cut fat stored in the liver a low carbohydrate diet is best.
dietdoctor.com/low-carb-die...
liverdoctor.com/research-pr...
drbriffa.com/2011/03/04/low...
Yes I'm on simvistatin, cause of my heart
No evidence anywhere to show that statins increase lifespan in women (or in anyone who has not already had a heart attack).
Hi there, Lizzielaylaya!
The article below may be of some help to you. I would be very wary of treatments offered (imagine a doctor dumb enough to recommend the patient with a fatty liver avoid fats!). That's an idiot with an M.D. after his name. How does that happen so often?!
livestrong.com/article/5196...
The holistic approach is an excellent one. Hypothyroidism causes dysfunction in every part of the body. We understand that. The vast majority of conventional medical doctors do not! They just don't get it.
Also, millions of hypothyroid patients are told they have chronic heart failure (CHF) due to the lack of T3 in the body. They all no doubt have a problem converting thyroid hormone T4 into T3. The best cure for that is an NDT product that gives you both T4 and T3. You are probably not getting enough thyroid hormone (due to malabsorption in the gut). This causes a lack of T3. A lack of T3 causes disease in the body. That was what was happening to me: and not CHF as I was told.
There have been studies on T3's effectiveness in treating chronic stable heart failure (CHF):
"Effects of triiodothyronine replacement therapy in patients with chronic stable heart failure and low-triiodothyronine syndrome: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study"
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...
I know that without abundant T3 in every cell of the body, organs begin to fail.
Therefore, I'd suggest asking for a test of Free T3 and Free T4. If your doctor won't do it, you can order them online yourself. Without adequate T3 in the cells, dysfunction will eventually occur in every organ of the body. This doesn't have to happen. If your T3 is low and you are not taking NDT (Natural Desiccated Thyroid), problems with your gut bacteria cause a lack of absorption of vitamins, minerals, and hormones necessary for you to convert thyroid hormone T4 into the active and life essential thyroid hormone T3. Which means your fatty liver is indicative that you have gut issues. Your vitamins and minerals should all be tested and a line of supplementation should begin where deficiencies are apparent (post your results here to ensure optimal levels).
Please read this medical journal below. It will explain how the gut's relation to fatty liver. "Endocrine causes of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease" (especially paying close attention to the Gut Bacteria section, and section on Estrogen Deficiency, and Vitamin D Deficiency sections). Please read the entire journal as it is very informative:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...
If any part of this doesn't apply to you, I certainly hope it is of use to someone else.
Healing Hugs!
Thanks I'm goin to ask for tests,theyr sayin it's cause IV enlarged heart an diabetic
An enlarged heart is not uncommon with those of us who are not treated properly for our hypothyroidism. Diabetes is right there along with it, if hypothyroidism is not treated properly. There are millions of us out there who had to fight to get the right treatment for one problem (hypothyroidism) which takes care of all the other issues (constant dysfunction in the body).
I saw you are taking Statins. I think we all have been on those. You need the cholesterol in your body. Please read about it from many sources to understand that Stains are merely a billion dollar business so they are routinely prescribed -- even when it's not warranted. I was on them too.
What you need is the right type of thyroid hormone and at the right dose. That is what will eventually supply your body the thyroid hormone (T3) it needs. That will also lower your cholesterol as your thyroid needs are met.
It used to be that high BP and high cholesterol were triggers for a doctor to investigate the possibility of hypothyroidism.
Doctors fail to quickly recognize this. We get sicker because of the medications they give us when all we need is proper care of our hypothyroidism. We need cholesterol in order to produce the hormones we need for all functions of the body to perform properly:
articles.mercola.com/sites/...
Cholesterol has not been proven to cause heart disease.
articles.mercola.com/sites/...
You may not have heart disease at all. I wonder how many of us who were severely debilitated with hypothyroidism were told we have CHF? I was, and I knew it could not be possible. I had been an athlete all my life. But my heart was very enlarged and all the doctors and specialists were convinced.
They were proven wrong. Everything was caused by hypothyroidism that was untreated.
I think most all of us were probably prescribed a statin. I learned that statins are not the thing to take if the problem is caused by hypothyroidism. What is important is taking enough thyroid hormone and the right type to address your hypothyroidism problems. I have no doubt your main issue (the root of the problem) is: hypothyroidism. You need to find another doctor who can treat your hypothyroidism properly and get you off the medications you do not need.
I've been through it all and came out on the other side after learning what doctors do not know.
To find out the truth, you have to research things and discuss them with others who have done the same. You are in the right place.
Healing Hugs to you!
Here's an excerpt from an article for your doctors to peruse:
"When the thyroid gland puts out too little hormone, it's called an underactive thyroid; the medical term is hypothyroidism. It may cause a slow heart rate, a rise in cholesterol, an increase in fluid around the heart, and heart failure."
health.harvard.edu/thyroid-...
The only reason hypothyroidism causes heart failure is because the person isn't getting sufficient thyroid hormone to prevent a dysfunction of their organs. The skin reminds us of our thyroid dysfunction when we get rashes and/or eczema or psoriasis; nails get brittle, long vertical lines, and the moons of our fingernails disappear; the hands and feet swell as the stomach joins in with the swelling; and, among other things, the heart enlarges and is surrounded by water (mucin). Palpitations and A-Fib remind us when we are low in thyroid hormone as well as telling us we have too much!
Most think only hyperthyroidism causes palpitations and A-Fib. Both hypo and hyper cause palpitations and A-Fib (irregular heartbeat). But both are temporary though intermittent when thyroid hormone dosing is not adequate or is exceeded compared to what we need. It's a song and dance, for sure, but we learn the steps to keep us from stepping on our own progress to wellness.
It is well documented that thyroid dysfunction causes problems with the heart. But we don't need traditional treatment. What we need is to treat the source of the heart's problems: the lack of T3 is causing dysfunction throughout the body!
What we need first is our Free T3 and Free T4 tested to prove that it is low. Called "Low T3 Syndrome," (another monikor for what really is hypothyoridismm you'd think they would know that) replacing thyroid hormone to bring up the T3 in our bodies and into our cells is vital -- and the sooner the better.
Most of us with stomach issues need at the very least, to restore the stomach acid we don't have so that we can successfully respond to an NDT (Natural Desiccated Thyroid) product which includes both T4 and T3. The addition of T3 helps to get more T3 into the body as quickly as possible. This is the key to arresting organ dysfunction.
So the right thyroid hormone and enough of it to do the job to return us to wellness is highly important. Any Thyroxine product will not do as the lack of absorption (and subsequent nutritional deficiencies) keeps the T4 from converting into T3 at a rate sufficient enough to restore some semblance of wellness in a relatively short period of time.
Here's an excellent article that reports the wellness brought on by NDT for a man diagnosed with CHF. The more you understand, the more you can get the proper treatment for yourself:
hypothyroidmom.com/86-year-...
Healing Hugs!
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