Lecture given after receiving the prize. It's pretty long but he's got all the information on the various ways in which the body is affected. So basically it's all there since more than 100 years ago. Worth reading.
nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes...
The PDF of Kocher's lecture may now be found here:
nobelprize.org/prizes/medic...
[ Edited by admin to add new link as original appears no longer to be functioning. ]
Funny how many now dismiss desiccated thyroid:
Seldom in the history of medicine has the recognition of the most effective cure followed as swiftly on the heels of the discovery of a disease, as the establishment of the complete effectiveness of iodothyrin and thyroidin followed the recognition of cachexia thyreopriva.
Referring to all our endocrine glands, he wrote:
But no internal secretion exceeds that of the thyroid in importance to the whole organism.
Thank you for that ! When the Thyroid foggy head thing clears - I'll read it properly 👍
Research is my middle name 😉
Scanned,fascinating . Two items stood out for me : that doctors then were as slow as many now to identify the disease and the reference to being out of breath going up hill .Something I suffer every day as I take a walk that goes up a steep hill.
Treepie you have to look again at your thyroid hormones. NDT may be better for you if on levo alone. Breathlessness is a clinical symptom of too low a dose or needing other than levothyroxine.
Doctors nowadays aren't clinicians as they don't understand what essential work thyroid hormones do in our body other than look at the TSH. They are ignorant altogether about thyroid hormones and the necessity for an optimum dose for a healthy and painfree life. Even some T3 added to T4 may make a huge difference.
Shaws, Thanks for that advice .I am on levo only ,the GP offered to increase the dose in February but maybe foolishly I suggested waiting until a further Blue Horizon test in May/ June as I wanted to be sure it was not the cold weather that was increasing the TSH and lowering F T3 and FT 4 . I suspect the cause is most likely that I had to increase the beta blockers to get more or less painlessly up that hill!
I tried Thiroid S but it did not suit me , perhaps took too much too soon.
Will probably get increase in Levo first if GP has not changed his mind by then .If that does not work out I will post request for safe T3 supplier.
Thanks again.
You have to cursor down this link to read about the Heart.
stopthethyroidmadness.com/h...
Thanks again. My angina type pains were on the wrong side of the body for angina.Tests showed I have " irregular veins" !
I have never heard of that expression - irregular veins. angina pains wouldn't have been comfortable either whatever side of your chest was having them.
Seemed like a cop out! I took it as meaning not smooth and with 'kinks' that might slow blood flow. Started with 1.25 mg beta blocker increased to 5mg and no longer pain in arm when going up steep hill just a little ache in chest occasionally.
Dr Joan Gomez wrote a book years ago on thyroid and mentioned levo causing angina type pains" easily treated with beta blockers" .
levo might well cause angina type pains, in that case you shouldn't take it. T3 only or NDT would probably be the better bet.
You shouldn't have to take beta-blockers because levo is causing angina pain.
(I am not medically qualified0.
It's not the safest thing in the world, but have you ever tried gingko biloba? It helps with intermittent claudication.
Not for a long while before hypo,just thrown out a pack " use by 2007" !
What's not safe about gingko? My doctor had me on the highest dose possible for months I was unaware of any dangers.
Keep in mind that many beta-blockers are thyroid suppressants. Specifically, I know that propanolol (the only BB I have used) is a thyroid suppressant. Low FT3 causes breathlessness in many patients; it sure did for me.
Hi gabkad thanks for sharing this, I never knew that they knew all this 100yrs ago. Some of the gp's of today should read this and may be they would learn that there is alot more to the thyroid than they think especially when they say alot of your symptoms can't be due to the thyroid and give you antidepressants instead of treating your thyroid.
Thanks for posting. Will read properly when not on phone. I got a ingling yearsxago as it was my husband's research topic but I didn't have a problem then but to me it's common sense as it affects all the body then it can manifest itself with different symptoms. Thankfully babies are screened at birth but I think adults should be as well at regular intervals but there again we need all medics to understand how to interpret results and how to treat it. I still can't get my head around the fact that no one seems to realise the importance of testing FT3!
Thank you so much for this gem! Everyone here should read every single word. Amazing stuff that truly helps make sense of how frustratingly difficult it is for conventional doctors to ever "get it." It's not rocket science, but attributed to the fact that any "one size fits all" method does not and never will produce positive results. Loved it. Going to read all over again!
He uses some out of date expressions but that's what google is for.
LOL I'm a bit ashamed to admit I understood each and every one of those sayings. Yes, most they are pretty much older than dirt. And no, I'm not that old! Ha!
Hugs to you, gabkad!!
This is well worth a read. From 1909 ! I'm astonished at the accuracy of his observations ,,, he describes some of my symptoms perfectly , right down to my low lymphocytes...
(our doctors have obviously never read it) original link no longer works , but this one does . nobelprize.org/uploads/2018...
(I note that a certain Mr Ord was mentioned at this meeting .. which was 3 years before Hashimoto described his findings in 1912 )
"..... But no internal secretion exceeds that of the thyroid in importance to the whole organism.
Are doctors now making use of the newly won province of physiological therapeutics to the extent that it deserves?
Emphatically not.
The reason for this is that, even at the present moment, the fully developed picture of cachexia thyreopriva is still not sufficiently well known to every doctor for him to recognize it immediately in every case.
I see a number of patients who are treated for anaemia, chlorosis, scrofulosis, nervousness and menstrual disorders, in which the signs of thyroid insufficiency strike the practised eye at one glance .
But there is still another important reason which makes the diagnosis more difficult.
In mild and limited thyroid disorders, where function is not abolished, but merely impaired, only very rarely do the symptoms of cachexia thyreopriva stand out clearly, and for this reason either have no attention paid to them at all or are misinterpreted.
And yet only the right knowledge and the physiological therapy based on it produce real cures.
For this reason I would like, on the strength of extensive observations, to undertake to draw attention to poorly defined forms of cachexia thyreopriva which are found in limited and moderate thyroid disease ..... "
Just putting a face to the name ......
found it in here . which is a fascinating history of thyroid/parathyroid surgery (not for the squemish ) entokey.com/history-of-thyr...
Eating with Levothyroxine?
Overdid it on my thyroid meds and having hyper symtoms
