Folic Acid shouldn't be prescribed if you have low B12

[shaws]

This is a similar B12 link to the one earlier this week but also concerns pregnancy and possibility of neural tube defects about six minutes in and the dangers of supplementing when we have low B12.

youtube.com/watch?v=QqjyAeO...(Not working as expected?)

[Saggyuk]

Thanks, that was really informative. Glad I am now treating myself against doctors wishes as it really makes sense. The level of my B12 was the one thing that wasn't making sense when I did a food diary tracking these things so i just knew. The doctors kept telling me my symptoms were due to things I have history off but I had never had these particular problems before so it really didn't make sense. I don't have large red blood cells but as pointed out in this, iron aneamia (which I always have) will make them smaller and therefore hide this. I am already feeling improvements even only after a few days so hopefully this will resolve it. I never knew much about vit b12 so this was really useful and recognised so many issues. Thanks

[Gambit62]

just to be clear - not that folic acid should not be prescribed if B12 is low - much more that a folate deficiency should not be treated on its own if a B12 deficiency is present - both need to be treated as your body cannot process and use B12 without folate - however, treatment for the B12 deficiency should ideally start before starting to treat the folate deficiency - by about 24-48 hours.

[Marymary7 in reply to Gambit62]

m.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzR1...(Not working as expected?)

[Gambit62 in reply to Marymary7]

not sure if this was posted in response to my slip - now edited - in that referred to a foic acid deficiency when I should have referred to a folate deficiency -

[shaws Administrator in reply to Gambit62]

No, I had no idea that you had referred to it. It was just because I heard it on the video. I had no idea about folic acid as I remember by mother used to have it prescribed along with her B12 injections.

[Gambit62 in reply to shaws]

Thanks Shaws- should have been clearer that I was talking to Marymary7 on the folic acid v folate as link does I think go through folate v folic acid and all the rest.

[shaws Administrator in reply to Gambit62]

That's o.k. I thought you were referring to the B12/folic acid video I put up yesterday

[shaws Administrator in reply to Marymary7]

good and informative link.

[Marymary7]

After researching the difference for my brother, I encourage everyone to watch Dr. Lynch speak in numerous films about how bad synthetic Folic Acid is for us all not just the b12 deficiency sufferers. We should be eating enough leafy greens or taking Methyfolate as a supplement.

[shaws Administrator in reply to Marymary7]

Sometimes we take supplements as we think we need such and such but we have to research to make sure they are suitable for us.

Thank you for your response.

[Gambit62 in reply to Marymary7]

so, just looked at a few minutes of the link.

most people have no problems converting folic acid to methylated forms used by cells. However, a few people with genetic mutations do have problems and can benefit from using a methylated form.

Sorry but not convinced of the science behind the link or the hype around everything having to be methylated.

this article goes into detail on the metabolism of folate

lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/vit...

- please refer to the section on supplements just over 1/2 way down. Numbers in brackets are cross references to documents sited at the end of the article

The principal form of supplementary folate is folic acid. It is available in single-ingredient and combination products, such as B-complex vitamins and multivitamins. Doses of 1 mg or greater require a prescription (159). Additionally, folinic acid, a tetrahydrofolic acid derivative, is used to manage certain metabolic diseases (see Disease Treatment).

[Hidden in reply to Marymary7]

Some new research recommends that if you take more than the daily allowance of

400ug which is minimal, you might oevrdose yourself. Further information indicates

that absorption might be impaired if taken by the elderly causing side effects

but that certain foods such as kale spinach and green leaved vegs should provide

the daily dose of b9 - but the best advice ,may be to take the folic acid tablet

with vitamin b12 in bioactive drops or find it in food such as marmite. Marmite is now pronounced a superfood

as it contains B1 B2 B3( recommended to stop neural tube defects in pregnancy, )(thiamine) and B9 folate and B12. Folates as you indicate are absorbed more easily

especially if there is deficiency of folate - knowing how many children dislike vegetables

teeneagers may be at risk if they don't have enough folate in their diet.

Pernicious anaemia may be related to folate an b12 deficiency in combination with

vitamin c deficiency. However I have not seen research that indicates that folic

acid with vitamin b12 in tablet form affects the absorption of b12. As it was used since

the late fifties, I am sure the results improved deficiencies in the past.

As all the vitamin b group are water soluble and are not stored in the body

I am not sure whether new research is accurate.

[joesy]

Absolutely love Sally Pacholok . Wish every GP would watch this, when the pediatrician doesn't recognize the early signs & symptoms of a B12 def, how on earth would a GP, let alone a patient.

[shaws Administrator in reply to joesy]

Consider he worked in a big hospital not one of the Specialists twigged it was low B12. How many people worldwide are diagnosed with any other disease rather than low B12. It is a disgrace. My mother had P.A. and got 1/4ly injections until her GP (of many years) told her she no longer needed any injections and my sister and I were delighted. Little did anyone of us realise what was in front of all of us - and just suffice to say my Mum died.

[Hidden in reply to shaws]

That is a tragedy - I am sure you are passionate about b12 deficiency

as I am becoming due to vitiligo which my grand daughter has. She has improved with b12 supplement taken bio actively in drops. I never knew

that vitilogo is often associated with thyroid disease. If doctors were more aware

of how many vitamin deficiencies lead to undiagnosed conditions there would

be less of loss of lfe.

[joesy]

Love Sally Pacholok.

[shaws Administrator in reply to joesy]

Love your baby