Hillary Clinton

[stockman27]

I see from the news papers this morning that Hillery Clinton is taking Armour Thyroid.

I wonder why not just T4 as most drs here in the the UK and the USA insist that t4 is the best. It makes you think.

regards

John c

[Ruthi]

Because she is rich?

Of course the cost argument doesn't hold in the US, where insurance pays for the Armour. So my guess is because she is a strong woman and won't take c**p from anyone!

[bluebug]

Money talks mmm mmm money talks...

I seem to remember being told Thatcher had no issues getting more regular vitamin B12 injections than recommended by the most NHS doctors.

[Clutter]

Stockman27,

Just because doctors prefer Levothyroxine doesn't make it 'best'. I take synthetic T4+T3 because Levothyroxine only made me very unwell. If T4+T3 didn't suit I would have tried NDT.

[stockman27 in reply to Clutter]

Hi , What I am trying to say and Ihave had this said to me lots of times by the Endo. 1 T4 is the holy grail and dont use NDT as it is bad for you , its old fashioned and the Drs that prescribed it get struck off. Now we have somebody famious that is using it. I find it strange why cannot we all get this on The NHS.

John

[humanbean in reply to stockman27]

Doctors will say anything to get patients to do what they want, and that includes telling lies.

The other problem is that levothyroxine manufacturers bribe doctors and/or their professional societies with lots and lots of money. The doctors are bribed and/or brainwashed.

[vixvixvix in reply to stockman27]

I think there is a genuine fear that they might get struck off as therare specifically told not to prescribe NDT (and now pretty much T3) but part of it is education. Did you know that it was only in the 70s that fat was condemned as being "really really bad for you?" And that the idea wasn't originally proposed by a dietitian and that very few studies since has unequivocally advocated the USDA food pyramid? Within a decade it was seen as fact! It is only recently that people start to reeducate themselves about the possible perils of a high carb/ high sugar lifestyle. And this is met with so much resistance despite the fact that this "fat bad" thinking hasn't even been around for that long. This is the same with t4 vs ndt. With tsh blood test becoming "the gold standard", doctors are taught that symptoms solving (how we dose ndt) and this "natural mamby Pamby" unscientific "medicine" is"bad". It's so much more scientific to look at a number and not "feelings". It only takes a few years worth of teaching and scare mongering for doctors to behave in that way.

I'd be interested what your endo has to say about Hilary. I think doctors hate the internet because of this.

[vixvixvix]

Hi John,

May be like me, t4 didn't really work out for Hillary, she seems like a super A type lady. If I (who is lazy and don't even want to run a department of 10, let alone a country) refuse to take "you're alive, what more do you want?" as an answer, I doubt that she would and she had the best docs available to her (money and power could buy!) and probably made them work until she is 100% functional, vs. that 50% husk of a human being on just t4 left me. It's sad that this doesn't happen to everyone automatically and most doctor's attitude (personal experience, anecdotal and on this forum- private or nhs funded) to hypothyroidism seems to be "you're alive, your results is 'normal' please shut the f up and go away" instead of actually listening and working with you till you're 100%. Taking control of my own conditions was the best thing I've done.

Every body is different and react differently to medication. There is no "universal best" and there is just the top of a bell curve in studies paid by big pharmas and big pharma money talking.

[Glynisrose]

Levo is not the best and just because doctors are trained to prescribe it doesn't mean its any good!

[stockman27 in reply to Glynisrose]

I agree but we have to do what the Drs tell us as there is no other way. We need to educate the Dr or have a class action to force them to treat us.

regards

John C

[humanbean in reply to stockman27]

Of course there is another way. You can self-medicate. Levo, T3 and NDT are available over the internet if you want to buy them without prescription.

[stockman27 in reply to humanbean]

Hi, I am not sure about self medication, T3 can put a strain on the heart . I am trying it at the moment and I feel really terrible. Too much Thyroxin can cause calcium depletion and mental problems and a fast heart rate . I am not an advocate of self medication.

I know some people have no choice but I feel that self medication should not be pursued only as a last resort.

Regards

John C

[humanbean in reply to stockman27]

Hmm. You can't have it both ways. You are self-medicating yourself, and yet you say we have no choice but to do what doctors tell us.

I don't know if you are aware, but far more people will suffer heart damage from low T3 than high T3.

Low thyroid hormone can cause mental problems.

Low T3 can cause fast heart rate too, although the opposite may be more common. There are common nutrient deficiencies which cause tachycardia too. Before I took a single pill of thyroid hormone of any kind I had tachycardia due to severe iron deficiency.

If you are not doing well on T3 perhaps you should detail in a new post what you have tried, what doses you are taking, what blood test results you have etc to see if anyone can help.

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Levo made me really ill and worse. Maybe she just wasn't suited to it. Find it quite laughable though that she doesn't take what big pharma peddle as the best option. Reminds me of when they politician refused to let his son eat a burger during the mad cow disease outbreak(we were being told there were no risks in eating beef). Another wouldn't confirm if their child had been given the MMR vaccine.