B12, D3, ferritin, ferrous, zinc etc

[marigold22]

Does anyone know please when it was discovered that the levels of B12, D3, ferritin etc. matter and assist thyroid hormones to get to the right place? Also selenium, zinc, vit C, magnesium? is there a medical paper available regarding these vits and minerals needed for the thyroid?

[humanbean]

Here's a paper about the connection between autoimmune thyroid disease and low vitamin D :

mdpi.com/2072-6643/7/4/2485...

[marigold22 in reply to humanbean]

Thanks so much for your 4 replies. However I really need earlier medical papers; is this knowledge very recent, or did they know about the links much earlier than these papers? Trying to get a case together.

[humanbean in reply to marigold22]

Why does the information need to be old? Is a doctor going to be more convinced by a paper from 2000 than one from 2015?

And how old is old?

[marigold22 in reply to humanbean]

Basically I'm looking at whether I can sue, having been ill for 35 years, lost everything including my house over that time, am living in poverty now. Affected my son badly etc I'm trying to prove they 'should have known', committed negligence, didn't abide by the hippocratic oath etc . I was diagnosed with myxodema in 1981 so preferably anything either before that date or up to 2006 when it all went completely pear shaped

[greygoose in reply to marigold22]

If you'd given all that information in your original question, you might have saved HB a look of time searching for you. If we don't know all the details, how can we answer?

[marigold22 in reply to greygoose]

Apologies. I did say "Does anyone know please when it was discovered" .....

[marigold22 in reply to humanbean]

I'm probably also going to have to look at the history of the knowledge of both D102 gene and thyroid antibodies. I can only take T3

[humanbean]

jmnn.org/article.asp?issn=2...

This paper says :

"Iodine is an essential compound for the synthesis of thyroid hormones and is mostly derived from the environment. Other important nutrients for the thyroid function include selenium, iron, Zinc and vitamin A."

However, I'm not convinced by Table 2.

[humanbean]

Ferritin and hypothyroidism

scopemed.org/fulltextpdf.ph...

It's a paper that says low ferritin is seen in hypothyroidism. Hpwever, it doesn't go so far as to say that hypothyroid patients need to get their levels of ferritin up to optimal. *Sigh*

[humanbean]

Iron and hypothyroidism :

The paper tested whether thyroid hormone and iron supplementation had a better effect on the patient than either substnace alone. The combo was better :

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

Edit : "Better" was determined by TSH level, not by how the patient felt. What a surprise.

[humanbean]

To do research of your own you could use Google Scholar :

scholar.google.co.uk/schhp?...

or Pubmed :

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

For help on how to search Pubmed, see this document by member/Admin helvella :

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[marigold22 in reply to humanbean]

Thank you for all your help x

[linda96]

Hi, I too have been sorely let down by many doctors, one in particular. I would also love to sue! Fortunately I had a steady husband at the time and we managed. I am truly sad that you were let down so badly that you lost your home.

What I miss more than any wages is the loss of a sense of who I am really. Iv spent so much time anguishing and suffering from my symptoms and how to feel well again that a lot of other good stuff has passed me by. I wish I could sue for this loss.

Who are you going to sue? An individual or health care system?

Will you try and get a class action going or do it on an individual basis?

Even if the health boards knew all the relevant information 35 years ago how will you prove that this information was properly given to GPs ?

Given that they still use pituitary TSH testing for thyroid hormones as opposed to t3 and t4 the ACTUAL thyroid hormones I think you've got a helluva struggle. To then add into the mix all the relevant minerals and vitamins that are needed to support the thyroids to make them work better you're going to be fighting on two fronts. First the ignorance re actual hormones, then the ignorance on the suitable vitamin and mineral supports.

No way would I suggest you rethink this but what will you gain? As you will need to fund solicitor and barrister fees, it might be a hollow victory.

Please can you update us please as to how you get on. Iv put you down to follow.

[marigold22 in reply to linda96]

You have raised a fair few questions here! Firstly, I did a post probably about a year ago asking views on whether I should sue or not - everyone said don't waste your time & energy. I'm still deliberating; I've paid £50 & got my medical records back to 1981 when I was diagnosed; haven't had the nerve to go right through yet, particularly to pull out all the blood results. Also I'm a half qualified lawyer, having struggled through the first half of qualifications whilst on T4 which I couldn't convert, then couldn't finish the second half of qualifications having collapsed in a heap. So I have experienced how the law works, a court scenario, etc. Also it would have to be taken up by a law firm on a no win-no fee basis. Because of this fact, I absolutely have to decide before approaching them which is my best angle - ie the two consultant psychiatrists who saw me & ignored my myxodema (taking into account Myxodema Madness); the professor endos who made me worse etc. It wouldn't be a class action, my case is very different from many others. Is it really equitable and fair (as the law asks) for a highly paid consultant doctor who has signed the Hippocratic Oath to allow a person to constantly be ill, to watch their life fall apart etc etc? I may in the end decide not to pursue this, but now I seem to be well, I think I would have regrets on my death bed if I didn't at least see where I can go with it.

[linda96]

If you decide to go to court It will cost you money and be a lot of work.

Write the book instead, so that you are paid for roughly the same amount of work!

Make it a book of fiction and weave a character into the plot that is you.

What was that film Julie Roberts did?