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What your doctor told you about salt is probably wrong.
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They are wrong about a lot of things! This doesn't surprise me at all.
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Yes, we did greygoose. They tell us this is the 'best' etc, don't eat this or that and then we find out it was baloney and by that time many people may have developed some illness due to cutting 'whatever' from their diet..
That's is why we have to look out for ourselves right? They are merely PRACTICING medicine.
If they keep practicing for long enough, they might get good at it ...
With this revelation, need to review top claims by medical fraternity.
We do indeed! Good job I never believe any of them, anyway!
I have been using celtic sea salt ever since reading David Brownstein book about Iodine and using sea salt to rid your body of halides. The halides prevent the thyroid hanging on to Iodine. (My Iodine levels were very low) I discovered we are charged almost 3 times as much in UK for Celtic sea salt (mine is from atlantic coast of France) compared to my continental cousins, so I stocked up last time I was in Holland!
There are always people who will cash in on everything! I didn't know that salt got rid of halides. Interesting.
David Brownstein book "Iodine, why your body needs it. I know greygoose you are circumspect about the value of taking Iodine but the chapter about taking salt water (celtic salt and filtered water) to remove halides etc is what i did before trying very small amounts of Lugols iodine. Getting rid of the halides, bromine, chlorine etc allows Iodine back into the thyroid. I think it was in the US where they put bromide in bread instead of Iodine. How stupid was that?!
Having just read your later post about doctors, yes they are supposed to be scientists but have clearly never had to conduct experiments or research on humans or otherwise that requires accurate observation/measurements and then careful interpretation of results. They don't even have proper cadavers now but use some 3D computer stuff and waxwork like bodies to learn about the parts of the body. Maybe someone forgot to put in a thyroid!!! lol
It is a very long time since I worked in a research lab, not medical, but I am appalled by what I have read about are considered to be well set up "experiments" and how they are interpreted with reference to patients and their illness and treatment. As we all know it is big pharma that has everyone under their thumb.
Yup, that's so right! I didn't know they didn't disect real cadavers anymore! That's rediculous! How can they learn about the human body without actually seeing one! No Wonder they Don't want to physically examine patients anymore. They Don't know what it feels like.
I Don't think low iodine was ever my problem, I had been using iodised salt for years. But a doctor gave me iodine without doing any tests - and not small doses, either! Everything just got ten times worse! He just really couldn't be bothered with me!
Later, after my diagnosis, I told my endo about all the iodine I'd ingested, one way and another, and she just laughed and said : there you are then, just goes to show it doesn't work! Go figure...
Isn't it exasperating they stick to the numbers with TSH test but don't bother to check your Iodine levels before giving you Iodine. Such a scientific approach-Not!!
Crimple, I don't know if you are in the UK but presume you are. I have recently signed all the paperwork leaving my body to the university medical school in Dundee. I am also a 'substitute patient' at the medical school where I and other volunteers act the part of patients for the students to practice on. Of course this does not include very personal or internal exams but everything else. We also have scripts where we play the part of patients with symptoms of various illnesses so they can learn how to communicate, take histories and eventually make diagnoses. Thought you might be interested in this.
Good for you, helping train future docs. Just wonder how much of what the consultants do and say affects those under them!! I know my local NHS endo thinks the TSH test is all that is needed and is perfectly good enough for helping treat hypo patients. Also says that having antibodies doesn't warrant any special treatment!! This is then told to the local GP's! So i continue with DIY health and read as much as possible.
I saw a leaflet in the dietitians clinic about sub patients and decided this might be a good idea, help train the poor unsuspecting students and just maybe get our message across, even just a little bit. Some of us are, occasionally, asked to speak to the students about our own illnesses, how they affect us etc and how any medication has or has not helped. I can't wait till I can get up!
My endo works in the same hospital and is very good.
He started to explain to me how the thyroid works and what levo does. I took over and explained what I knew. From that point we were on a level playing field, he prescribed T3 before I even asked!
Pink Himalyan rock salt appears in Aldi every so often £4 for a large grinder supply. I was so excited !!
thanks vallillyann, I had seen it advertised but we have yet to get an Aldi near us!! One due next year I will look out for the himalayan pink stuff thank you.
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crimple - I've bought it from here:
himalayancrystalsalt.co.uk/...
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Thanks very much for that
I think I'm going to print that off and give it to the so-called 'wound nurse' at our local surgery.
my husband had an ulcer on his heel caused by medication which he has to take to control his Psoriasis (I'm still working on that one) and was sent to the Wound Clinic. After testing the ulcer, she announced that it was an aerobic bacterium which had caused the problem and that it needed to be kept damp and air excluded for it to heal. After six months of dressing it with Hydrocolloidal dressings at some fabulous price I asked if there was any reason why we could not bathe it in salt to keep it clean, rather than leave the same dressing on for a week until we saw her again. She told us that it would be disastrous to do that because we let air in and the microbes will breed. Well, six months tells me this isn't working, said I. She said that using salt is an old-fashioned myth, to which I replied that old-fashioned ideas have a way of being proven right.
When we went home, I just took off the dressing and got a bowl of salty water, he soaked his feet in it until it went cold - four times a day, with a dry dressing just to cover it. 2 weeks later his ulcer was healed.
How many more people are being tortured in her clinic, I ask myself?
Probably quite a lot! They just so hate those old-fashioned cures, Don't they! They've been brain-washed by Big Pharma to believe that only dangerous drugs can be effective - and, incidentally, profitable!
Marram, have you heard of using honey for wound healing?
I tried that. Some very expensive Malouka honey. It didn't work.
Perhaps it was the type of infection. It has worked for others.
Possibly, I Don't know.
I got manuka honey on my leg when I had a deep gash. The nurses at my surgery use it on lots of open wounds. It didn't work for me, but my how it stung.
I also used saline on my leg, which they told me to keep dry, and it healed in about three weeks. After six months back and forth to the surgery. We always used to clean and soak wounds in warm saline from when I was a child. They healed well and quickly, and we never got bacteria in them.
If I could get real raw honey, but even Manuka honey is adulterated, plus it is ex-pen-sive! I found some silver dressings and they seem quite good, he gets these wounds quite regularly where his heels have deep fissures and they get infected, but a few days of salt treatment and those silver dressings seem to do the trick now. Never been back to that wound clinic, I reckon it's just a peddling place for Big Pharma's latests creations.
I get raw honey from Spain via themagicofspain.com aka The Raw Honey Shop. Not cheap but really nice honey.
I've always used salt on wounds for humans and pets - not honey so much as it tends to stick in the hair/fur and then everything else sticks to it.
Marram, did you use a specific ratio of salt to water? The doctor I used to follow said when using as a gargle, I think he said 1/2 teasp of salt to 8 ozs. of warm water was most therapeutic.
Yes I measured it very carefully. Filled a washing-up bowl with hot water and then chucked a few handfuls in. Thank goodness he wasn't drinking it, just dunking his foot in it! lol!
You cured it and that's what counts!
An Awake magazine years ago had an article about using honey for wounds so I would trust it.
I remember reading it. Trouble is, nowadays most honey you buy has been 'sterilised' by heating, so I am not sure how efficacious it is. It certainly would not be harmful though, and I know that that any article in the Awake has been thoroughly checked for factual accuracy.
My son-in-law owns a restaurant but lately added bee hives to his home garden so I can get raw honey. I'm in the U.S. marram.
Raw honey! Then you really are blessed! We did consider keeping bees as a form of conservation, but to be truthful, we probably could not cope with that and all the other things we have to pack into our lives.
Good one Marram. I wonder if Epsom salts would do the same thing. Or is regular salt the better option?
I think regular salt is the best option. It would be good to buy salt which does not have anti caking agents added, old fashioned cooking salt used to be like that, but I have rock salt and sea salt available routinely, so I use the rock salt.
Epsom salts are very good though, we used to treat our goldfish with Epsom salts, a teaspoon in their tank every once in a while if they seemed a bit sluggish, sound funny I know, but these two goldfish ( shubunkins actually) lived for donkey's years so we did something right! So Epsom salts would be worth trying, and of course they add magnesium which is well absorbed through the skin.
HI I do find salt affects my BP, high and low.Like everything needs a pinch of salt!
Jackie
There are a few people whose blood pressure is affected by salt, but they are somewhat rare, Jackie. For the majority of people, it has no effect.
This is all due to studies done in the seventies linking high salt consuming populations with heart disease. Actually, of course, the correlation is with sugar and processed food. Its the same story as the idea that saturated fat causes heart disease.
Its terrifying that bad statistics can kill so many!
Absolutely,, right! And doctors seem to be such a gullible lot that they swallow it all without a murmer! The problem is, doctors aren't scientists. Something it took me a long time to get used to!
And, unfortunately, they are the ones that treat us!
Nooooo! I treat myself!
As the general opinion is that we should eat salt ( I never stopped). Then some of you may be interested to know that Lidl currently have salt grinders containing pink Himalayan salt in stock. Its in the section where the posh chocolates and seasonal goods are.
X
I never stopped, either, galathea. I come from a family of heavy salt eaters (figuratively and literally!) And it never did them any harm. My parents and grandparents where of the generation where you automaticallly salt your whole plate without even tasting it. But when my dad tried to lower the salt, he had a heart attack.
Bread 'The Staff of Life' needs salt to rise! And cheese, another staple for the poor needs salt to keep. Not that I eat bread anymore, of course!
Goose, I used to work in a hospital as a business manager (hangs head in shame!). What scared the life out of me was that doctors are NOT scientists. They learn huge amounts of facts, some of which even hang together. They have the vaguest of understanding of biological processes, but are very good at giving glib explanations. And they really are not terribly good at scientific thinking, and don't understand the difference between a hypothesis, a theory and a law. To them any old hypothesis is a law if supported by any old statistics, or studies in rats. Most research is based on painfully small, and frequently unrepresentative samples. Its then extrapolated way beyond anything reasonable. If for example you only test your new drug on healthy volunteers (a dozen or so students, usually - how representative of the sick population are they?) you will never know how it affects sick folk - not until you have released it and given it to thousands of sick people.
Salt is a case in point. High salt consumption (in populations) does correlate fairly well with high rates of heart disease. But heart disease correlates equally well with modern processed diets(which do tend to contain loads of salt, but that doesn't mean its the salt that is the problem). If you don't find populations eating high salt diets but not processed food (increasingly difficult) and compare them with populations eating low salt unprocessed food you won't know if salt is the culprit.
What doctors seem best at is being sure that they are right!
They should have studied my family! lol People who eat salt like others eat sweets! I'm not that into it, but I nearly starved in hospital when they put me on a salt-free diet! I just can't eat it. I tried arguing and reasoning and explaining (what the hell do you think you're doing to my adrenals???) but as far as they were concerned, they were right, and I was wrong - well, I hadn't been to med school, had I!
Yes, I agree with you, doctors aren't scientists. I said that above. After one operation about ten years ago, I kept having Dizzy spells, and they gave me tablets ('for Dizzy spells or unknown origin - warning, may cause Dizzy spells' I kid you not!) and when the Dizzy spells continued, they said they were caused by the tablets. But instead of stopping the tablets, they gave me more tablets to counteract the first tablets... Finally, I said to the doctor, you know, this isn't a very scientific approach. He looked at me as if I was mad! lol Scientific? he muttered to himself, as if he didn't know what the word meant. Unbelievable! They didn't even try to find out what was causing the Dizzy spells - probably a mixture of hypo and B12 deficiency, but these so-called 'medical people' were completely stumped!
Wish I still had my old doctor. Unfortunately he retired. When I had a fainting episode once he said to put a pinch of salt in juice as BP was low at the time. With hindsight I think it was low adrenal reserve as I was not treated for being hypo after 19 years on no Levo after sub-total thyroidectomy. Unknowlingly, probably, this 'treatment' helped my adrenals.
very interesting article. I have noticed that when I take celtic sea salt in water I feel better, I just need to remember to keep taking it daily! It is also recommended in Dr James Wilsons book on adrenal fatigue.
It is depressing when you start to think of how many people have suffered by being given totally wrong information regarding diet. The scary thing is it is still happening all the time. Low fat and low salt is still pushed by medical staff who ought to know better, and thousands of leaflets have been printed and are given out with these so called good guidlines. My levo has been reduced and so my cholesterol has risen, no doctor I have spoken to will agree there is any connection!!! and statins are pushed at me continuously. I am made to feel like a naughty girl for refusing them.
Excuse me for being dim, but isn't salt in water an emetic?
Pp
Interesting question, because that so-called emetic never worked for me. Also, if you have diarrhoea, they give you rehydration drinks which contain various things including sodium chloride.
Interesting marram . I guess you have to think for yourself these days otherwise you would be completely confused.
I now ignore all the confusing health messages 're butter , cholesterol , salt etc and eat what I regard as good for ME!!!
I think the biggest danger are the meds they foist on us with scant regards as to side effects and interactions with other drugs.😕
Regards Pp
Ah GG , where would we be without Big Pharma lol ?
Cheers Pp
Would this be the right place to mention that it's probably best to treat anything these so-called experts in the medical profession tell us about what to eat and what not to eat with a very large pinch of salt? 
We dragged ourselves out of the sea, we need salt! OK a long long long time ago....
Malcolm Kendrick also says 'Salt is good for you'....(as we know)
Some of the explanation for the health benefits of salt (celtic sea salt that is, which should in fact be called a mineral supplement I think!) could be down to the fact that our adrenals need salt to function optimally. The cortisol our adrenals produce help regulate blood glucose levels - hence the change in insulin resistance in the research subjects, aldosterone and renin - which help regulate sodium and potassium levels, which if not in homeostasis will cause blood pressure problems and dizzy spells. Correct cortisol levels also help thyroid hormones enter our cells and thus optimise our health. Poor thyroid function is a known cause of raised oxidised cholesterol levels, increased risk of cardiovascular diseases and the list goes on! Salt is critical for our well being, but is just like the saturated fat rant we have heard from our 'medical experts' for 50 years! We also mustn't forget our doctors training, once out of med school, comes entirely from the Big Pharma sales reps!!! No wonder we have to self treat. 
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