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skin so dry and parched, how do I know if I have enough oxygen in my cells

I looked in the mirror today- you would have thought i had been sitting under an enchanted tree for 5 mins and aged 100 years... also white and pale and no elastin

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Petals, GPs and hospitals measure oxygen saturation using oxygen monitors which clip on the middle finger (left hand, I think). They are available on Amazon via thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/go_sho...

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yes she did that weeks ago and it was 100percent. but I am dry and scaly....

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Hi Pettals, sorry you are looking under par, I am the same, our long winters too often spent indoors as we age can have this effect. Increase organic oil use over your salads etc., rub some pure vitamin e oil into your skin and get outside amongst the trees as much as you can to raise oxygen levels and don't be afraid to sit in the sun within reason for vitamin d and well being. xx

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hi joyia, I do that, but skin feels so parched . I am sure I have something in my body that the powers have not found. no one could feel this illfor so long- I don't like goingto doctors anymorw now a si feel like a hypo c'.

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No elastin says to me, no Growth Hormone ! Could be worng, but have you had it tested? Hypos are often low in Growth Hormone (HGH), because you need T3 to produce HGH, but you need HGH to convert T4 to T3. So, it's a viscious circle.

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yep just read dr. p page in his book.

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Does that mean you have been tested? Or you've just read the book? What was your level if you've been tested?

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hi grey no I haven't been tested since 2012 and was by a private Prof, my GH was 0.1ug/L ?????? no range given.. IGF-1 then was 136ng/mL range 75-212 IGF-1mediam value 126 what ever that means... I just read dr ps book about gh and skin etc..

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Well, I didn't think they tested the actual GH because the test was unreliable, they usually just test IGF 1. I'll see if I can find the optimal value for you. I have it somewhere on my puter.

HGH affects everything. Daft docs just think it's for children (growth hormone at your age? ha ha ha). But it's what controls repair and renewal in adults. Without it, we just fall to pièces.

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that would be great to find the optimal amount... prof C Harley street tested Hg and he wrote to my useless endo in nhs hosp and asked him to test it- if only I had known I would have gone back there but he didn't send me a copy!

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I have really dry scaly skin, that is definitely aging prematurely. I've started to eat more fat, and it has helped a little. Are you drinking enough water Pettals? Mine is much worse if I haven't had my two litres. But seriously my skin only improved on thyroid meds being at scary amounts. When I took 200mcg of Levo plus 3 grains of Armour I even lost the horrible dry skin from my feet.

I'm on 20mg of HC and I expected my skin to improve, and it hasn't happened, just got more spots! One other thing is I take DHEA as mine has been flagged as low, I'm hoping it will help oestrogen eventually and that should help my skin. There are no easy answers, I rub in E45 and leave it overnight when my skin starts cracking. I get this over the bridge of my nose and along my knuckles.

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oh heck helcaster tha t is lot of hormone- I presume that is you an not a endo prescription? I have hashimotos and just reading the dr p book and he has said in there that poor pituitary function- yes mine is will produce poor acth yes mine does, and willproduce low hgh, so--- he says that gh will actually worsen hypo if it isn't treated properly---.. from the pit' it passes to liver thru bloodstream, which remodels it into other hormones the chief one is IGF-1, to promote and control growth. ;if the output from pit' drops low early the hapless sufferer ages before time. however---it does regrowhair improves skin etc, he doesn't suggest takingit but ---- certain compounds can stimulate natural hgh by the pit'---- -- glycine, l- glutamine- l-tyrosine l arginine l lycine. gaba pyroglutamic acid. iron, lcalcium iodine, zinc vit a b d. so I will look for some amino acids. I am lacking something I look and feel awful.

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Hi Petals, that amount of hormone was 18 months ago and the only time I thought I was getting better. I do think I'm very resistant. Now I'm only on T3 at 100mcg my skin is awful again, my hands go bone dry and wrinkly, then splits, I have scales all over my face, my feet are cracked at the heels again, and my lower legs look like crazy paving. I'm 58 and everyone used to say I looked 10 years younger, and I couldn't be a granny etc etc, but not any more!

I don't know anything about growth hormone, I'll look it up thanks. Why we can't have a full hormone screen as routine I'll never understand.

Re hair, my leg hair has gone, so has my pubic and underarm hair. I wonder if there is a connection then.

Are you taking hydrocortisone now for your adrenals? I just gave up with supplements for adrenals as my results worsened, so I've been self medicating for a few weeks now. No miracles as yet!

Hugs. X

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I too am a scaly snake, my legs ar e like crazy paving and iwas young once too, my sons grown ups mates used to say- crumbs, your mum looks young and I was 58 then... no don't take meds for adrenals, as there 'is nothing wrong with them' yeah right! I take b5 and goingto get some rhodiala and ashwangdana..

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I read the crazy paving pattern on your lower legs is a hypo sign. Why does it persist on a shed load of thyroid meds?! Sorry you're like this too, it's not much fun

Rotten when those compliments stop coming, you then just get invisible to everyone.

At least you're well researched Pettals, I really hope you improve soon. Xx

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hi helcaster I think we should cast some hell! I am well researched bu t I have burn out and cant remember... also it dos me no good as I cant get the tests for proof so I am tryingto go the supplement way. when you are ill it costs youso much money and when you dont have savings or money becos you are bloody ill and no hair either it is just wicked, becos you are needing money for test,s supplements, hair stuff, proper food, etc, when ihear healthy people with money and HAIR, moaning that they haven't got anythingto wear or moaning about trivia or complainin that their hair doenst look right or its too thick I could kill! yes I once turned heads,now I am invisible..

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I know Pettals, I can't work and you're right being ill is very expensive. I have to buy all my drinking and cooking water, specimin containers, urine dipsticks, incontinence pads etc etc. Then there's T3 HC methylcobalamin, needles, syringes and all those bloody supplements that I have to say have made not one jot of difference to how I feel! If you add all that up it's pretty scary stuff!

Do you get those horrible scales on your scalp too? I've tried everything, my scalp is hard now with thickened scaly skin. I keep scratching with my tweezers, not doing it any good at all :-(

I get sick of well people moaning too. I haven't bought clothes other that £6 tee shirts and the odd pair of means in over 10 years. I look like a bag lady. I haven't been to the hairdressers for nearly 2 years. People have no idea how broke you are!! Xx

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you have a lot of stuff to buy and none works... have a look at the amino acid page and the hgh link.. to stimulate hgh from dr p's book...

these things called secretogogues-- yeah right name as we are not meant to know!!!!

they are

glycine

L glutamine

L tyrosine

L arginine

L lycine

gaba

pyroglutamic acid?

iron

calcium

iiodine

zinc

vit a b d.

makes me wonder whethe a good mix of liquid vits and minerals and amino acids.. HCL not base-- would work just as well. and get our hair back skin back thyroid back adrenals back health back yyyyyyyyyaaaaaay :D and save money..

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afte rreading the reviews on global health centre I have ordered some detoxidine. some have had mega hair regrowth...

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i hope you improve too , its circle of shite!-- anyway I though tyou might like to share this, hard to know what to eat gluten freefor hashi people. I have got a big bowll, tipped in organic oats, pumpkin seeds I don't think they are organic.- sunflowers seeds, ground up linseeds, chia seeds, organic raisins, didn't have any flaked coconut or that would have gone in and nuts if i had them, mixed in some honey, chopped tangereen peel, and put it a large tin and baked it for about 10 15mins an dthen added nutmeg,cinnamon, ginger . so at least I can munch when peckish.

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Hi Helcaster, If your taking DHEA and have spots, it could be that your DHEA is all converting to testosterone. It does that in some people, did with me. I couldn't take it for long. My doctor said to try 7ketoDHEA because that wouldn't all turn to testosterone, but it did! Why not try Pregnenolone, instead.

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Hi greygoose, the acne started with B12 injections, I had pus filled spots even on my ear lobes. After 18 months that settled a little, but now I'm taking DHEA and Hydrocortisone I have a lot of spots again, even on my chest :-( Wouldn't testosterone cause facial hair and reignite my interest in sex?! I can report zero happening there!

I tried pregnenolone, but got to the point where I felt I was close to total collapse. I think it hit my adrenals too much. At that point feeling quite honestly that I was going to die I ordered hydrocortisone. I can't pretend it's made any difference. Still trying to stay awake, from 11am it's really hard until 11pm then I finally get some energy.

At the same time as all this I'm trying to wean off one of my bladder drugs that causes a change in liver enzymes, and low stomach acid, while at the same time increasing the other drug, which is sedating. So a lot going on. I just wish I could get on top of something for a change :-( xx

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Yes, that does sound like a lot!

I Don't think testosterone would necessarily cause facial hair, or an interest in sex. It didn't with me. But then my testosterone is, I think, very low, because I Don't sweat and have no hair Under my arms. I suppose it all dépends what you start off with. I wouldn't have minded a rise in testosterone if it hadn't been for the spots!

I didn't know B12 injections could cause that reaction. That's very unfortunate. could you perhaps get your testosterone tested?

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Yes grey many people get spots with B12 injections, it just went on a long time with me! It's a toxin which I can't remember the name of which has built up in the body through low B12, as it gets removed it can give you acne.

I wish I could get every hormone tested, it might provide some answers, unlikely on the NHS I think. What do you think caused your underarm hair loss? I read it's low adrenal/DHEA, mine have been bald for two years now. My pubic hair started to disappear in patches over 10 years ago, now it's pretty much all gone, large patches with no hair growth.

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I read that underarm hair loss and not perspiring is due to low testosterone. Makes sense to me. It's been gone for a long time. I think it all happened - with hindsight - when I was fifty, going through a divorce, lots of stress, had a hyper swing, lost lots of weight, lovely!!! But then it started to come back on again - and this correstponded with the time I went vegetarien. Then started having terrible trouble with my feet, then my back, and everything just went rapidly down-hill from there with all sorts of problems that, for doctors, weren't related. Idiots. Judging by symptoms, I'm certain I've been hypo and had adrenal problems since I was a child, but it was at fifty that it got really, really bad.

Yes, I think we should all have all our hormones tested as a matter of course. Of course, once one hormone starts going haywire, the rest rapidly follow. I'm optimistic that once you get one sorted, the others will fall back into line. But it hasn't happened yet. I suppose if one went private and saw an anti-aging doctor, one might get them all tested. But the anti-aging doctor I saw, I had to tell him what I suspected and ask him to test. Wasn't what I'd hoped. My HGH was drastically low, and could have explained most of my symptoms, but injections are horrendously expensive, and it's difficult to impossible to buy HGH on-line. Ahhh, if I ruled the world...

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amino acids for hgh promotion..

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Tried that. Didn't work.

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oh no....

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But that's not to say it won't work for you!

But I think the T3 I'm taking has had a good effect on my HGH level, because my bat wings are getting less floppy. And I haven't developped the deep lines that are so characteristic of low HGH. Anyway, I'm crossing my fingers!

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Hi grey, I read on a patient leaflet by endos that it can go with low adrenal function. I told my GP, she even saw my bald underarms when she gave me an injection! To be honest I've never had a lot of underarm hair, but now there's not even fluff!!

Stress doesn't help anything and like you I've had a lot of trauma in my life. I've upped iron, taken zinc, magnesium Vitamin C, you name it, and of course T3, no sign of any regrowth.

Can I ask what the problems with your feet are, huge problem for me too. Started in 2007, no sign of the pain and swelling ever going.

I think every time we get referred to an endo, why not have complete hormone testing? You'd think they would need that info to help make a diagnosis.

Is there any way nutritionally you can improve HGH?

Xx

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yes there is away an d I found it yesterday and cant fin dit today.. hgh adrenals low function lose hair everywhere, and they don't know an ddont care.

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livestrong.com/article/2886...

HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE

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I Don't believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wrote a long reply and then clicked on 'cancel'!!!!!!!!!! How brain-fogged can you get?!?

Not writing all that again. lol Suffice to say, this was written for body-builders, not for hypos. Hypose are stymied by their lack of T3. You need T3 to produce HGH.

Not saying one shouldn't try it, but I Don't think it's as simple as he makes out.

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LEVEL OF IGF1

Normal range optimal level for women optimal level for men

115-490 ng/ml 200-300 ng/ml 200-380 ng/ml

This is what I found in a book called 'The Hormone Revolution', by Dr Claude Dalle. Hope it posts OK.

I think the chap that wrote about HGH on livestrong.com pinched his info from this book, because it reads exactly the same! Dr Dalle doesn't include the bit about T3 in his book because it wasn't written for hypos, or doctors, really. It was written from an anti-aging angle.

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did you find the gh

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?

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growth hormone normal level?

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Well, as I said, they Don't normally test it, they test the IGF 1 because the level is closely linked. So, he didn't mention the actual GH levels.

I've been looking for a passage that explains that, but it's all diagrams, so can't copy and paste. But, Growth hormone is excreted by the pituitary and converted into IGF 1 in the liver. So, if you have low IGF 1, you obviously have low GH.

Ahh! Found it :

"Because the level of hypophysary hormone is variable, one measures the stable IGF1, produced by the liver, preferably in the morning."

Incidentally, we've talked a lot about Alzheimer's, well this is what he has to say on that :

"There is an enormous correlation between the level of IGF1 and cognitive functions in older subjects (evaluated by Mini Mental State). In cerebral degenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s, one finds a very low level of IGF1, if indeed it is secreted at all."

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nice! thanks for that.xx

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you know what grey I hav eread b.builder ssites and they hav emore knowledge of endocrine than the endos. I willmake an appoint at the gym!

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They have knowledge of hormones that concern them. I doubt if many of them know about hypo!

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Thank you Petals great article! Really helpful advice and things I can do :-) xx

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But they're too ignorant to understand the results if they did do complete hormone testing! In an ideal world, someone called and 'endocrinologist' - a so-called 'specialist' of the endocrine system - would know everything about all hormones. BUt in this world, they only seem to know about insulin - and I Don't know exactly how much they know about that because I'm not diabetic, but at a guess I would say, not an awful lot!

If there were a nutritional solution to low HGH, I think I would have found it by now. The only think I know is not eat after 9.0 pm.

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Totally agree, endos seem very ignorant how the whole linked endocrine system works. But really typical of Western medicine isolate one little bit, treat it and don't think about the body as a whole. Also doctors just seem to try and treat symptoms and don't seem able to diagnose these days.

I always eat after 9pm, if I don't have a snack I wake and feel terrible, hypoglycemia I'm guessing. I know it isn't good for your waistline though.

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Well, low adrenal function would mean low testosterone, wouldn't it. lol

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adrenals and all lhair loss, growth hormone lack, hair loss, thyroid hairloss- dhea hairloss- now I hear pregelonone hair loss---

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low zinc, iron, B vits... the list goes on and on!

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Being fed up hair loss too Petals!! Xx

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i found alink yesterday and cant find t now about certain amino acids for hhair regrowth

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I'd be very interested in that Petals. I hope you can find the link. Xx

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aminoacidguru.org/hair-loss/

helcaster- its a big site so have aroot round letme know what you think.x

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Brilliant Pettals, I'll have a good look :-) xx

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Well, one thing sticks out for a start! It says you need 'folic acid'. No-one ever needed 'folic acid', it's synthetic. What you need is Folate. In a supplement, that would be Methylfolate. lol

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I know the feeling, am taking Betaine for low stomach acid to help promote better digestion; DHEA at 10mg and PhytoB for natural oestrogen and progesterone, besides multi vitamins, magnesium and whey protein to boost amino acids, have been on this regime for almost three months but am still getting waves of exhaustion sweep over me in the afternoons and early evening, nothing seems to be making a lot of difference at the moment, it is disheartening when one is trying hard and spending a lot of money into the bargain. I am just hoping the coming warmer months and sunshine will help to make a difference.

I agree why can't we have a full hormone test on the NHS. My synacthan test came back normal, no surprise there then, and the Endo wrote me off, he did not suggest any follow up whatsoever let alone test my thyroid levels. I cannot afford anymore private tests or private consultations and feel I am just left to try to stay alive on my own wits, it is a frightening situation as a senior person.

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Hi joyia, it does all cost a fortune doesn't it?, and not getting anywhere is so depressing!

I had the synacthen test, I was told it was normal too, there doesn't seem any interest if your cortisol was really low to begin with, just the fact it increases after the injection. The ACTH in those injections is way above a physiological dose anyway. I've paid for two adrenal stress profiles now, and my cortisol is desperately low. The reason why I've been fainting such a lot I'm sure.

I feel totally left to it too, we aren't alone on this. Just think of all the self medicating that's going on. It really is disgraceful how badly we are treated.

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Joyia, you do know that PhytoB contains soy, Don't you? Really not recommended for hypos!

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Oh no, just spent another £34.60 on a new bottle of PhytoB, will check out the soy content and make a decision on whether to continue or not, it doesn't seem to matter what one is taking there is always something negative towards thyroid function, I am in despair especially as so many women rate this product for natural hormone treatment.

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Just checked Phyto-B there is no mention of soy, product said to contain rice bran oil, coconut oil, progesterone and estriol plus Vit E. The progesterone and estriol content is derived from yams.

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Perhpas they've changed it, then. Was that what was on your bottle? If so, good for you! lol But the list of ingrédients I saw mentioned soy.

'Barbasco Extract, Dioscorea Quat. Extract (105 mg), Fermented Plant Derived Progesterone, Soybean and Licorice Root Extracts, Fermented and Plant Derived Estrogens, Crataegus Oxycantha, Medicago Sativa, Camellia Sinesis, Avena Sativa, and Prunus spp.'

But that was the American version. Perhaps it's different in England.

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I don't know Grey I can only tell you what my bottle states and what it says on the website I purchase from, it doesn't mention any of the ingredients you have seen which I agree is strange.

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Well, all the better then! lol :)

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Butter and whole milk good for skin - simple solution and cheap!

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okthanks I presume I just mix it up and slap it on?

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I would rather think you eat it, Don't you? lol

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oh---- well I do eat it but I am still a scalysnake :(

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OK so, try rubbing it on your face, then! lol

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I was assuming EAT IT (ha- ha)! Never thought of mixing and slapping on but maybe that would also work even if messy.. On second thoughts stick to eating. Delicious as greygoose thinks, and of course fat foods no longer the baddy. good to have a bit of light exchange on TUK.

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I do eat it I thought maybe I would slap it on, wonder if my hair would grow... laughing now..

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If you want to slap something on, try blackstrap molasses. That's supposed to be very good for hair! I bought a jar, but I confess, I haven't had the courage to try it yet.

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I bought molasses ages ago, for iron (?) I think If you do try slapping it on let me know how you go!

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Yes, that's why I bought it. Then I read about all its other virtues. But I hate the taste and haven't found a way of disguising it, yet, so the jar just sits there, on the shelf, glowering at me...

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I too couldn't stand the taste and know what you mean by jar "glowering", it was a long time ago and eventually put in bin and decided to delegate the whole thing as experience More recently I had a similar trial with coconut oil.... it too consigned to bin. I'm 75 , one would think I would know better. Think like most folks looking for a quick fix...Alas not found it yet!!!!!

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Not just a quick fix, any fix at all would do!

I can't stand coconut oïl, either. Don't like coconut milk/cream. Don't like coconut butter. The only time I like coconut is when it's in a cake! lol

But, I'll try anything once - just in case...

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or Bounty bars maybe?

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Oh yes!!! I forgot Bounty bars. My favourite! But only milk chocolate, can't stand the dark stuff.

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if I slapped that on my hair, the strands are so fine that it would just pull em out...:(

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Nonsense! When you wash it off, it will just melt. It's only a form of sugar. Nobody's asking you to give your hair a good scrub with it! lol Just slop it on like covering a dog's boil in lard. lol

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Is that something people do? Put lard on boils? Or have they done it in the past?

If I ever get a boil - or my dog does - I think I'd rather visit a medical/veterinary professional (as appropriate) and get them to deal with it. ;)

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Ha ha! I Don't know, really. It was just in a Monty Python sketch. Only they said cat, not dog. It just amused me. But I Don't know if it's ever really happened.

Possible, though. In the 'old days', when people rarely went to doctors or vets, and knew a thing or too about healthing that doctors will never know.

I've only ever had one boil, and it was in such an embarrassing place that I didn't go anywhere! Just let nature take its course.

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I assumed it was a joke, but I'm also aware that people have had some strange ideas about medical things so it wouldn't have surprised me if it was a real "thing".

I obviously don't know my Monty Python well enough.

I remember my mother got a severe knee injury from a fall when I was young. Her knee swelled up enormously. The doctor's response was to put a very hot poultice on it which made my mother scream. Not surprising really - she now had a scald/burn on her knee as well as her original injury. Well done, doctor!

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They are so useless!!! A hot poultice shouldn't be hot enough to burn. But they can be very effective at the right temperature.

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lard kept them healthy.. dripping on the toast with salt and lard in th e roast spuds.

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ok then, was that dogs boil or dogs b***s :)

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Still love bread and dripping! But you Don't get much dripping off meat these days because everyone's so terrified of cholesterol!

It was dog's boil! Really! lol

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oh just as well grey x

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Nothing like being able to laugh! - some say the best medicine

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And delicious!

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Forgot to say Pettals, avocado is really good for giving your skin some moisture. Eat one every day, you can even mash it and put it on your skin. Don't forget coconut oil too! X

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yes I am eating one now everyday, I made the mistake of buying a big one but it goes brown so quick and I struggle to eat anything-- so I buy small now.

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No once an avocado is cut you have to eat it unless you put lemon juice on it to stop it going brown. Eating salmon and other oily fishes too helps your skin. So does taking cod liver oil. I eat lots of butter, whole milk and full fat yogurt too. I wash in prescription cream called double base. You can use it for moisturising too. Always drink lots of water. I don't use soap anywhere. This is really hard to keep on top of I know. I have raw skin where my glasses sit at the moment. The only thing I can do is put E45 on overnight. Xx

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Have you tried using a moisturiser with urea in it? Its a product naturally found in the surface of our skin and scientists have found that people with very dry skin and skin conditions don't have enough urea on their skin. I started using a moisturiser with urea in it on my face and its amazing! Eucerin do one for about £11 at boots. Urea works by attracting and pulling water into the skin and holding it there, its worth a go. Also I should say that the urea in cres are synthetically made in a lab :P

Good.luck!

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good idea

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has it got aload of chemicals in?

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Its fragrant free and colourant free, here's a link, if you look a t product description it has all the ingredients m.boots.com/h5/cat_hub?path...

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thanks I thinki have bough tthatbefore, willgetsome.xx

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Didn't they used to make bread poultices, I seem to remember such a concoction?

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