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Hi folks

There is an organisation called Cochraine whose sole purpose is to publish proper scientific research on things like food supplements and medical interventions including the alternative kind.

"Cochrane produces systematic reviews of primary research in human health care and policy. Each Cochrane Review addresses a clearly formulated question..."

cochrane.org/

They popped up on my radar this morning as they have just published an article saying that fish oil and omega 3 are not effective for vascular conditions. (Dementia not asesed).

Cheers

Kevin

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Yvonneandgeorge

Interesting Kevin xxx

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Christine47

I can see a school of salmon and krill getting together to applaud...And just to add to your reading pleasure, I use Examine.com to evaluate supplements.

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Kevin_1 in reply to Christine47

Thanks it looks good - and I see the krill are applauding there too :)

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daffodil48

Bookmarked!!! thanks

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Kevin_1

Hi Luis

Attentive and sceptical is all we can do.

So much marketing and science stumbles forward trying to keep up.

Hope things are going OK for you at your end. :)

Hugs

Kevin

After reading the comments of the experts I will continue to take fish 2 to 3 times a week and at least one will be sardines, anchovies, salmon, tuna, bonito, horse mackerel, ...

bon apetit !!

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Kevin_1 in reply to LuisRodicioRodicio

Sounds great Luis

I don't know whether this is too political for this forum. Forgive me if it is.

It's certainly off topic. So if anyone objects I am happy to delete it on request.

I think the thing that shook me is the size of the fish oil industry.

"The Peruvian anchoveta is by far the largest single species catch by tonnage in the world, some years comprising as much as 10% of all fish caught. And although Peruvian anchoveta are as delicious as any anchovy on Earth, an industry-influenced Peruvian law dictates that more than 95% of the catch must go to the reduction industry."

(The reduction industry is the fish oil supplement industry... It's massive!)

That same industry wanted to harvest krill (which the whales depend on) in the Arctic to meet the demand too. I think they've backed down now.

This is an interesting read.

theguardian.com/lifeandstyl...

Eating fish sounds like a great way to go...

Best to you

Kevin

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LuisRodicioRodicio in reply to Kevin_1

We are a predatory-compulsive specie. We have to have measure.

To destine 95% to make oil sounds strange. Of course, if you do not have the coast near or live in a country well connected and supplied, it is easy for the sardine to arrive a little "perfumed" to the market.

I have observed that, to eat fish regularly you need to have "fish culture" as has Spain or U.K., for example. I have been in a relatively advanced country with many kilometers of coastline and platform, with people going hungry on that period of time and watching Korean fishermen take the fish from their shores because the natives (with hungry) rejected it.

In my opinion the culture of fish in the diet has two pillars:

1) Know how to remove the spines of each type of fish at the right time.

2) Know how to cook it and get the full range of flavors.

Bon appetit!

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Kevin_1 in reply to LuisRodicioRodicio

Yes!

¡Buen apetito!

:)

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raincitygirl

For some reason that finding is discouraging...I guess because fish oil, as a natural product, seemed like such a simple and clean supplement? What to eat - what not to eat - ?? Who knows.....

A.G.

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Rowan8831

Thanks Kevin. Really interesting. The complexity of the food/drug industry makes it a challenge to work out what might be helpful and what is hype. X

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Kevin_1 in reply to Rowan8831

Hi Rowan

Yes, nothing is ever that clear.

I've always had an interest in these things and it seems to me that, with superfoods and less than obvious supplements, give it ten years and scientific papers come out showing the flawed nature of that product and we all move on to a new one.

Last year superfoods alone accounted for 20% in value of the U.S. food product launches. It's a massive industry supported by exceptional marketing.

My simple solution is to eat fresh and organic wherever I can and keep my diet broad.

My gravestone will have on it: "If only I had eaten those super-berries after all!"

Chuckles

Best to you

Kevin

x

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Kevin_1

Chuckles, yes who knows :)

I don't think they are saying it is bad for us, just that, as a supplement it doesn't seem to help with cardiovascular issues.

This is the article I read. It puts both sides.

theguardian.com/lifeandstyl...

As I said to Luis above. I was more surprised by the massive size of the industry more than anything else.

Hope things are going as best as.

Warmly

Kevin

xx

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Richard33

Kevin,

Looks like a good site. I will keep an eye on it. You can spend a fortune on supplements and I never see any benefit (but then we are dealing with particularly nasty diseases).

Richard

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Kevin_1 in reply to Richard33

Y'know Richard. We saw no benefit with them.

I think perhaps vitamins and minerals are sensible... but they are meant to be of benefit for anyone over 35.

I think the only other supplement I would favour is a slice of lemon in my G&T.

That makes a huge difference.

Waiving and waiting for CBD episode 4 - They're brilliant.

Kevin

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MaddyS

Hi Kevin. I can't eat fish nor any type of see food, it does not agree with me. Never could right from my childhood. I'm perfectly healthy, I eat a varied diet and exercise, walk, dance and generally enjoy life after PSP. Unless there is a specific medical condition we do not need supplements and/or cut out large sections of food types. Common sense in everything usually gets you there. Fish love me! Maddy x

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Kevin_1 in reply to MaddyS

Adding - the flea beetle part is a joke - they just eat annoying holes!

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Kevin_1

Hi Maddy

I am not keen on fish either... but there is considerable research that we are poorer at absorbing vitamins and mineral as we get older.

I have a fairly balanced mainly vegetarian diet. If I take multi vits I do feel the difference.

Or have I been brainwashed by the marketing?

Other than that I totally agree with you.

Quite often I pick and chew as I'm gardening... a rubbed off carrot here or just a sprig of rosemary there... If I'm weeding the leaf salad patch I get my protein from the flea beetles... I'm sure of it!

Yes, common sense and a broad diet. I read a lot about food and abhor the fiddle faddle of some modern cook books. I call them the Islington mob. They do so much fiddling and faddling with the food (and those nigella seeds must come from the southern slopes of the mountain in Turkey folk)... Wandering off, old man grumping....

Waiving

:)

Kevin

xx

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