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I have had a number of step downs since I last wrote here.

My eyesight is worse, but I can still manage T.V.

One of the new symptoms is 'Dead' Hands and feet.

I can feel them, but they won't respond to me properly.

When I am transferring I will my feet to move and eventually they move a little. Kevin rocks me on my feet a little and prompts and that does the trick, just.

I am having trouble holding my toothbrush and spoon as well. My fingers just won't hold them the way I want.

I speak quitely now because of breathlessness and Kevin is deaf in one ear. So communicating is a little tough at times.

Little by little I loose the ability to do things.

I can't throw things now either... So at least Kevin is safe... 'till he get's close ;)

Its very frustrating!

I am determined to see the garden in bloom next spring.

For all of this I do enjoy things.

I just want to get it over with though.

Love to you all

Hugs

Liz

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Satt2015

Aww Liz, I'm so sorry, it's heartbreaking to read from a Psp sufferers point of view! Literally so bloody sad!

All I will say Liz take one day at a time, sometimes one hour at a time!

In the meantime please keep sharing, I love to hear how you are and equally I'm interested to hear all about your daily life and how you get through these shitty days.....big hugs to you and K x

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doglington

Its really useful to get your perspective, Liz. Chris has just started freezing and I prompt him to move again. He is also less nimble with his fingers.

Its a depressing disease, isn't it ? Sometimes Chris won't talk to me and says he doesn't want to. I felt so hurt and then thought there's not much he can do to throw his weight about !!!

We are all sharing a dreadful journey.

Love and a big hug, Jean x

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Satt2015 in reply to doglington

Don't know if you and Liz know this Jean but when the Psp patient freezes you can try saying left, right, left, right....slowly and this can help the patient register to move their feet or you can try saying 1,2, 1, 2

I remember dad doing that freezing when walking, very draining for us and tiring for him x

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honjen43 in reply to Satt2015

The 1, 2, 1, 2, worked for us for a time.

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peterjones in reply to honjen43

SAME HERE . MATE REMINDS ME OF MY ARMY DAYS MRS KIWI HONGEN43 AND WHO WANTS TO BE REMINDED OF THAT MATE HOW YER=DOING HONGEN 43 GIVE MY REGARDS TO YOUR HUSBAND FOR ME MATE

PETER JONES Q.L.D. AUSTRALIA PSP SUFERER

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honjen43 in reply to peterjones

Dear Peter Jones of Queensland, Aussie! You seem to be my nearest contact so we must stick together! I am pleased to see you still making posts and look forward to reading them!

I can't seem to leave this sight although my husband died in June. I empathize with all of you who are still 'fighting the good(?) fight' and feel I may have insight into CBD in particular that may be of help to others - so I keep on watching.

Regards from

Jen (Mrs Kiwi (still with UK passport!)

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pzagy in reply to honjen43

So sorry to hear your husband passed, my mother in law is going into a home this weekend, we cant do it any longer..she is tremendously anxious, she just started coughing when she drinks and eats and has to take thickeners for liquids while she eats. Her mobility is non existant, new to the list is her breathing at night she wont sleep for fear of dying....dont kow how long she has and hate to think of the end but I am tired to seeing her this way, it kills me

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peterjones in reply to honjen43

hi mrs hongen43 welll first of all let me say I'm sorry that youj lost your huisband only short while ago, I'm very sorry to hear that matey onl the last em I made a mention of him I m very sorry if my last em caused you any pain I never knew and I think I made a mistake in my last em peter jones q.l.d aus see yer mate.

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honjen43 in reply to peterjones

Hi peterjones . No harm done. I understand how difficult it is to keep track of all the posts. Some are easy to remember, like you, and NannaB. AVB, abirke, and others!

I have immense respect for all on this site, especially those like you who write of your personal battle with PSP.

My own fight with these horrid brain diseases is over!

Take care, and keep writing.

Hugs, Jen xxx

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peterjones in reply to honjen43

THANKS JEN PETER JONES Q.L.D.AUSTRALIA

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honjen43 in reply to peterjones

That was quick, Peter! Almost next door!

Jen

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doglington in reply to Satt2015

Thanks. Am trying that

xx

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abirke

Oh sweet Liz....How do I say "don't feel that way" but honey....take one moment at a time. Cry feel sorry for yourself and then remember sometining happy find some words of comfort from an author;poet;musician;friend;spiritual advisor...You are not alone though that does'nt make your feet go or your hands pick up your spoon....I'm sure you have PT and Ot (occupational therapy which teaches you alternatives to solving things like feeding yourself)

B's pt told him to visualize a soda can in front of him inwhich he had to step over...."Step over the can" was the verbal cue to pick up your foot...It helped/helps B to get his foot out of freeze mode////his heal will go up but his toes are "frozen" to the floor.....and with much patience we get where we need to go.....

I did something I have VERY rarely if ever done. I told my husband of your laments, the greatest being the pain of going on in this physical body and the giving up thereof.

He said "read to her John 3" And what would you want me to tell her how this helps her besides John 3:16? He said that it is the it was John 3:6...."That which is born of the flesh is flesh, that which is born of the spirit is spirit...." he went on to say that our flesh is failing, but it does not take away our spirit which we must keep going ....it is the gift that gets us to heaven...continue on now in the spirit....even though the flesh is weak......focus on your spirit....do not give that up to death ...your spirit can still be strong though your body isn't"

Well dear Liz, I was amazed (I am trembling) at this beautiful words my dear husband who is going through every bit what you are, told to you....I am not trying to admonish you only give you words of comfort.....You still have the gift of life through your spirit; hold on to it; feed it; let it continue to thrive ....pray, scream, cry, yell at God. He can take it; but do not give up on Him and the gift that is greater than the flesh....

When I read this I was moved by John 3:27 John was told there's another one (Jesus) who is baptizing and all are coming to Him. John said "a man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven"...You see John knew who Christ was and that he , John, was not Christ.... God has given you this life my friend , take heart that God has not abandoned you but awaits for your spirit to believe and follow and be with Him in heaven one day......

Forgive the sermon if I offended you . Know that even Bruce Birke whom I usually shield from this site, has empathized with you....If ever you want to just talk to Bruce...go to messages and I will convey your words....

Much Love to you my dear sister in PSP

Bruce and Andrea Birke

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showaddy in reply to abirke

Not a sermon Andrea, a lovely understanding piece of prose. I wish I had your faith as it would help us but unfortunately we don't. It must be wonderful to believe in God and his bible as I am sure it must help. However we struggle on - each in our own ways and find help where we can. Thank you for your reply to LizAB, I feel as if I benefited from your reply as well.

Thank you, Pauline xx

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abirke in reply to showaddy

Thank you showdaddy...My husband has pulled me out of many a despair oft times just by standing firm to his beliefs while I slip and fall. But even in my depths I understood God was there for me. And that's the beauty of God....He is always there, no matter where we're at....We can be a free radical ever searching or like a carbon atom from which everything living is made. God's love is ever reaching out to both "items" ... I pray that you continue to search , ask questions and find answers....no sense being a free radical when you could be a most valuable element in this world....

Thank you for the spiritual support!

AVB

in reply to abirke

Oh, Andrea and Bruce

Thank you for feeling this so deeply. I am touched at your deep and feeling response. Hugs to you both.

I am not lamenting, nor am in in pain, spiritually or emotionally. I am not frightened to die and have no need of a God.

I do hope this does not offend you.

Yes, I laugh still and have hugs and happy times.

I just feel it's a struggle which I don't want. As with everything in life we choose when we can. I would choose to stop now.

With great warmth and love to you both.

Liz

xxx

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Kevin_1 in reply to abirke

Dear Bruce and Andrea

Last night I was only able to give Liz's reply.

I was deeply touched by your wonderful post which was so full of numanism (old usage here not the new religion), or perhaps I should just say spirit? Though that does not do it justice.

How wonderful of you to reach out like that Bruce. Deep thank yous.

And your reaching out was deep and moving Andrea,

A deep felt thank you

Kevin

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abirke in reply to Kevin_1

Thank you K_1. Bruce is a great guy raised up are kids in this way and like I said , kept me going spiritually as well...He even used to be song leader and Bible study teacher........ :)

AVB

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Kevin_1 in reply to abirke

There is much honour in that.

Bowing

Kevin

XX

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doglington in reply to abirke

I find this a very moving post, Andrea. Bruce sounds quite a guy.

Love from Jean xx

Adding: Every day good things happen and I treasure those.

Perhaps my post was a little too upfront given that we are all struggling to cope both practically and with loss.

My apologies if I have offended anyone with my candidness.

I struggle on as we all do.

Love

Liz

xx

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doglington in reply to

Know exactly what you mean, Liz. Chris has a similar attitude and beliefs.

Love, Jean x

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easterncedar in reply to

It seems my earlier reply was lost, Liz, just noticed. Sorry. I wanted to thank you for sharing. I feel you often speak for my sweetheart as he can no longer do for himself. His intermittent responsiveness is very hard on us both, as it does seem that his ability to cooperate comes on for strangers and is lost for me. I am too impatient with that. I need to feel it more from his perspective, and you help me so much with that. He also seems able to live for the good moments, and I need to make more of them! I plant the tulips all for myself now, though, as he doesn't seem to care much for the garden. Always glad to hear from you. Love, ec

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abirke in reply to

No offense taken here. I am a sorry for your spiritual life which is driven by your choices. I think we can all appreciate each other's candidness. We are just trying to help get ourselves our loved ones; our carers through this experience. It was good for B to talk about what he feels going through this. And I pray others might consider his experience as they go through their own!

Love you Liz and I hope you continue to find good days even in the bad....

(Deep HUG)

AVB...and Bruce

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Kevin_1 in reply to abirke

Oh, AVB

Don't pity her lack of a want of a god.

She did not pity your want of having one, she respected the difference between you.

She did speak from the heart... reaching out to thank you for the way to used your world to reach into hers with comfort and care.

We all have differences here, but we have a commonality of suffering and though we explain our life experiences and form our beliefs so differently, we have that.

Your posts are treasured in or house, by both of us.

With Love and concern

Kevin

XX

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doglington in reply to Kevin_1

Personally I really value the way we can accept different views of the world.

Chris and I don't have the religious beliefs, I envy those who find comfort in god and respect their beliefs. I do appreciate their prayers, Its the tolerance I value so much.

We all support each other in the ways we find meaningful. I value that.

Love, Jean xxx

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abirke in reply to Kevin_1

Love you guys!

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Kevin_1 in reply to abirke

You too!

Very much so.

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Debbieann

Liz I hope Kevin's got a lot of bulbs planted in the garden, and you will see it looking pretty in the spring! Sorry Kevin if your not a gardener!!

Sending you a hug

Love

Debbie xxx

in reply to Debbieann

Yes, he gardens and we have plenty of bulbs. I love them.

Thanks Debbie

xx

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Katiebow

A very moving post Liz, Ben is slowly loosing a lot of basic skills and he hates it, he has said he isn't afraid of dying and difinately doesn't want to prolong his life with medical intervention. I to having been planting bulbs ready to greet the Spring and am sure that Ben will enjoy them with me. I love my garden and treat it like an extra room and spend every minute there in good weather, it is a sanctuary and helps to de-stress, that is why I dread the winter months trapped indoors.

Enjoy those Spring flowers.

Sending all of my love to you both

Kate xxx

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PSPwife

Oh Liz, so sorry! Hugs right back to you!

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Kevin_1 in reply to PSPwife

Liz is in respite for a week and can't reply just now.

I will read your post to her when she returns.

Warmly

Kevin

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camper

Sounds just like me Liz

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Kevin_1 in reply to camper

Liz is in respite for a week and can't reply just now.

I will read your post to her when she returns.

Warmly

Kevin

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Robbo1

You still have your sense of humour, Liz. Long may it continue. You are one very impressive lady! X

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Kevin_1 in reply to Robbo1

Liz is in respite for a week and can't reply just now.

I will read your post to her when she returns.

Warmly

Kevin

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Robbo1 in reply to Kevin_1

Do try to relax and enjoy your respite, Kevin. Easier said than done, I know! X

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Kevin_1 in reply to Robbo1

I got up early. The cat came and said "hello and wheres my breakfast treat?" Everything very quiet and the house feels a little empty.

Though I feel sad and miss Liz, I have time to concentrate on something for more than just 10 minutes. I feel calm for the first time in a year almost. Its good :)

In a moment I need to make a few phonecalls and then I am going to sit and read... Bliss

And thanks :)

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Heady in reply to Kevin_1

What are tonight's plans? Where are you going tomorrow?

Enjoy the peace and quiet Kevin, I know it's lonely, but try and make everything a treat, which, by the way it is(!!!) This time next week, that book will remain closed and you won't know which day it is again AND you will be nagging someone in need to do exactly the same as you are doing now!

ENJOY,!!!

Lots of love

Heady

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Kevin_1 in reply to Heady

Cheers Heady- Great day... Read a little checked the garden plan and made a list of things to do when the sun comes later this week.

Had a lovely long chat with my sister.

Did not do the ironing (again).

Had a brief and loving telephone call with Liz and watched a movie.

Had a chat with the moggie about its issues, but it being a moggie I made no headway (again) :0

A lovely day.

AND

The CHC have called a meeting to discuss our PB for tomorrow AND we were allowed to have the good Tenna pants and a shipload arrived.

Pretty good day, eh?

XX

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NannaB

Sending you a great big hug.

❤️XxxX

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Kevin_1 in reply to NannaB

Liz is in respite for a week and can't reply just now.

I will read your post to her when she returns.

Warmly

Kevin

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Robbo1 in reply to NannaB

Sending you a great big hug too, NannaB. Keep thinking of you. Take care. God bless.X

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NannaB in reply to Robbo1

❤️🍷XxxX

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Suffolk_Syd

Hi Liz,

I know exactly what you mean, I am experiencing the same problems with controlling my hands and feet.

It's not a nice feeling, is it, when you get stuck halfway across a room, just standing frozen in my walker, apparently, from un-initiated people's stand point, for no good reason.

My eyes are often stuck closed, making me appear asleep, and all the time I'm silently shouting, "Move for God's sake, you silly sod!". And, like you, I've often experienced a troublesome toothbrush or spoon, which simply will not co-operate.

And I know that my darling, Trish's, patience is well and truly stretched to breaking point because of my mega stutter and very quiet speech - like Kevin, Trish is partially deaf in one ear.

Still, as Winston Churchill would, I believe, have agreed, "When the black dog comes calling, just keep buggering on until it buggers off!".

But thankfully, Liz, I have a very loving, truly patient and understanding family as do the majority of us.

So, it's peddle to the metal, Liz and keep on trucking.

All the best,

John, aka Suffolk_Syd.

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doglington in reply to Suffolk_Syd

Thank you for your post, John. Chris can't post but I read your response out to him and he laughed. He said he feels the same.

We keep buggering on too !!!!

Love and a big hug from Jean and Chris XXX .

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Kevin_1 in reply to doglington

Liz is in respite for a week and can't reply just now.

I will read your post to her when she returns.

Warmly

Kevin

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Kevin_1 in reply to Suffolk_Syd

Liz is in respite for a week and can't reply just now.

I will read your post to her when she returns.

Warmly

Kevin

in reply to Suffolk_Syd

Hi John

Thanks for your post it meant the world to me.

It helps me feel less alone to know others struggle with the same things, spoons, freezing and all. You describe it so well.

It's odd, but Churchill's black dog does not visit me. Sometimes, very occasionally, I have a good cry and then pick myself up and keep going. I have been spared that at least.

Kevin might be my carer, but I need to keep an eye on him. Unsupervised men are liable to get into difficulty in the domestic world. (He's typing and it was fun to get him to type that :) ) .

Strength to you and I hope to read more of your posts.

Liz

xx

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Cuttercat

So Sorry. Its heartbreaking but all of the PSP sufferers are in their "cave" and can't get out. Though you all hear us. I'm proud of you Liz, for continuing on and letting us know.

Cuttercat

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Kevin_1 in reply to Cuttercat

Liz is in respite for a week and can't reply just now.

I will read your post to her when she returns.

Warmly

Kevin

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Pagesofwords

I am sorry. I am glad you want to see the garden in bloom in the spring and I hope you will. My sister has PSP. She is 51. I do not know if my sister still has fondness for me. It seems she only relates to me and others as if we are all there for one purpose: to serve her needs. Do you have a sense of this? Do you think she could have lost the understanding of what empathy is? She once had it beautifully. Does she not remember who we once were as sisters? I feel so all alone. I can't say any of this to her because she cannot handle emotions now.

Hello Pages

She may not have lost her sense of empathy. I haven't and I am now well down the PSP road.

Personal care is embarrassing. So I wonder whether she is being a little distant because of that. Being dependant on others is horrible. Particularly great, but it is better than having a stranger do it.much greater then.

My husband, Kevin, who is typing this for me, says that PSP makes me present as a little distant and 'flat' in terms of my personality. This is what PSP does. Though I know I love him very deeply. It just does not show so much. Having PSP is a bit like being imprisoned in yourself. Sometimes your thoughts and feelings just never make it to the outside world.

Caring is very lonely. Both those with PSP and the carer can become isolated. This forum is a good place to reach out.

Do you get time off? That is very important. There will be agencies locally who will provide a sitting service. Usually f.o.c.

Warmly with hugs

Liz

(Typed by Kevin)

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doglington in reply to

Chris also says similar things. He loves me deeply and sometimes tells me so but often is very off-hand.

Yesterday he said to me how awful it was for him. He tries not to dwell on it.

In fellowship, Love from Jean and Chris xxx

in reply to doglington

Hi Jean

Kevin reads your posts to me.

I am the same. I just keep doing what I can and everything is a strruggle.

Love makes a very big difference though.

Love

Liz

xx

(typed by Kevin for me)

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doglington in reply to

Yes it does but sometimes its hard to hang on to it, isn't it ?

I appreciate your perspective, Liz. How was the respite ?

Love, Jean x

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peterjones

GOOD ON YER LIZ KEEP ON KEEPING ON PETER JONES QUEENSLAND AUSTRALIA

take care mate wont you

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Kevin_1

Sorry to be slow Peter.

I don't get here so often now, but Kevin tells me what is going on on the forum.

I am definitely keeping going and looking forward to the garden in the Summer and cold drinks in the sunshine.

I hope you are doing OK :)

Love Liz

XX

(Typed by Kevin, but my words :) )

Sorry Peter

The post was from me

Love

Liz

XX

I forgot to change accounts - Kevin - Liz's typist ;)

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abirke

Well Liz, if we have any more days like we had today....26*C (79*F) in February....things will be blooming in no time at all...In fact we never got much below 0*C So last yewars bugs will be added to this years bugs I'ms sure....

I hope this finds you doing ok!

((HUGS))

AVB

in reply to abirke

Hi AVB

26 degrees C in winter? Is that anywhere near normal for your part of the world?

Yes, Kevin tells me that all of the critter chewed vegetables he grows are 'pre-tasted for quality.' Without a few frosts he would be bringing me cabbage stalks!

I am so looking forward to the warm weather. Kevin and I are going to sit down and plan the flower borders today. They have always been my responsibility so he has to do it my way :)

I get by - the food here is pretty good so I have extended Kevin's probationary period again. He's doing OK - He's been on probation for 16 years, so he might get a permanent position here with me.

I hope you both are managing. Kevin reads me your posts.

Hugs

Love

Liz

XXX

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abirke in reply to

Yes that's more summer or at earliest, spring like weather....not February weather. especially when the Northeast is getting snow up to their waist!

Yah I do hope that those who garden will have success....our rain has been in short supply this season...

Sounds like Kevin is a keeper .....give him a few more years to make sure.... ;)

AVB

in reply to abirke

Hi AVB

He is a keeper!

Sixteen years of love. :)

Its good.

Liz

xx

(Typed by Kevin for me)

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abirke in reply to

Make sure he knows how to mani-pedi.....I am horrible at cutting Bruce's nails.....I usually just yank mine off so haven't had much practice with the clippers..hahaha

AVB

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