Holistic treatment for Prostrate cancer ?

[joewin]

Hello All,

Recently found out about P.cancer and choosing Holistic route.

Finding out about all we need to do for ourselves takes time.

I'm hoping to find someone who has chosen the Holistic route successfully

and willing to share your Path to wellness with me.

Natural remedies for sleep would be very much appreciated.

Blessing to you all.

Thank you

[cpcohen]

When you say "holistic treatment", do you mean:

(a) . . . "standard medical practice", complemented with treatments which

. . . . . aren't recognized as effective by "standard medicine",

or:

(b) . . . ignoring "standard medical practice", in favor of "holistic" treatments ?

If (a), I'm going to shut up. Most "holistic" treatments won't hurt you, or change the effectiveness of "standard medicine". (There are some exceptions for chemotherapy drugs, I believe.)

If (b), you should understand that _some_ prostate cancers can make your life miserable, and eventually kill you. And that delaying "standard medical treatment" can allow your condition to go from "probably remediable" to "probably not remediable".

The standard treatments all have nasty side-effects -- but they also have proven effectiveness. To guess about whether the side-effects are worthwhile, any doctor (or person on this list) needs some basic information:

. . . What's your PSA?

. . . What's your Gleason score?

. . . What are your biopsy results?

Thanks -- and I'm sorry if this isn't what you wanted to hear --

. charles

[Hidden in reply to cpcohen]

Not all (standard) treatments have nasty side effects. Research HIFU.

[cpcohen in reply to Hidden]

Yes -- HIFU as a "focal ablation" treatment (kill the tumor, leave most of the gland untouched) has a good side-effect profile. And for some early-stage PCa, it's a reasonable treatment choice.

I don't know whether it has good long-term "cure" stats.

. Charles

[Hidden in reply to cpcohen]

Yeah, I chose HIFU and after being undetectable my PSA is starting to rise after 18 months. At 0.3 now and scheduled for another reading in January. I was ruled a bad candidate for RP after having had TURP surgery for BPH years ago. It was radiation or HIFU and I chose HIFU. My ablation wasn't focal -- it was 'full gland' to the extent possible.

[MelbourneDavid]

If you have small amounts of Gleason 6 (prognostic grade 1) prostate cancer then active surveillance is the right response, not treatment. If it's more than that, earlier effective treatment means fewer treatment side effects and a much better chance of a cure.

Beware of treatments that aren't backed by long term (10 years+) clinical trials. Most prostate cancers take years from early diagnosis to becoming a problem, but they are often incurable by the time you experience trouble.

[lillyofthevalley37]

Hi I am certainly keen on natural remedies but only traditional medicine can remove a cancerous prostate so I think "complementary " therapies are a great thing alongside traditional medicine

Inositol inhibits cancer spreading this is scientifically proven and so easy to add to coconut yoghurt - iodine is incredibly important and it has been suggested that low iodine can cause cancer organic sea kelp is a great way to get iodine

Another issue is choline - foods high in choline are linked to prostate cancer my husband had 2 eggs for lunch for the past 20 years eggs are high in choline - after da vinci prostatectomy he now only has eggs once or twice a week also he now has soya milk instead of cows

Melatonin is a good natural remedy for sleep

[CalBear74 in reply to lillyofthevalley37]

Never combine inositol or inositol hexaphosphate with a food or liquid containing protein as the molecules of the inositol will bind to the protein molecules and lose their therapeutic efficacy. Best to take inositol if in capsules with a glass of water. If it is a powder mix vigorously in water and drink, Be sure to have an empty stomach of course. Read AKM Shamsuddin, MD, PhD on this subject if you want to have clinical evidence to support the above. He is on the faculty of the Univ. of MD Medical School.

amazon.com/IP6-Inositol-Nat...

Dr. Shamsuddin's book does not refer to the use of inositol hexaphosphate as "holistic medicine". He is comfortable using "complementary medicine" as he endorses patients doing the full standard of care oncology treatment but adding IP6 to the regimen. He reports studies of women with breast cancer using IP6 along with their chemo successfully. Dr. R. Agarwal, Univ. of Colorado - Denver, has done numerous studies of IP6 and prostate cancer. Pubmed.gov is a good source of more information. Keep in mind that "phytate" is the old term for inositol hexaphosphate. Dr. Michael Greger has done some excellent short videos on phytate/inositol hexaphosphate/phytic acid.

nutritionfacts.org/video/ph...

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For the dangers of choline from eggs,

nutritionfacts.org/video/eg...

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nutritionfacts.org/video/ca...

Good luck Lily and Joewin,

CalBear74

[Jeff85705]

First of all, it is only "prostrate" cancer if you end up flat on your back (prostrate) because you relied only on "holistic" therapy and not science-based medicine. Certainly if you mean IN ADDITION to regular medicine, have at it. Good diet and exercise are always helpful as supportive therapy for prostate ca.

[dentaltwin in reply to Jeff85705]

Reading about "prostrate" cancer brought back fond memories of Norm Crosby. Mahler fan, I presume?

[Jeff85705 in reply to dentaltwin]

Unabashed Mahler fan for sure. Glad you noticed. I take it you are, too. I'm not familiar with the Norm Crosby connection.

[dentaltwin in reply to Jeff85705]

I'm actually a bit intimidated by Mahler, Bruckner and most of the late romantic symphonists. Plus I come to classical music from the perspective of a half-assed guitar player. At least that led me to Bach, and that ain't bad.

Years ago Crosby was on Carson and said something like, "You know, Johnny, you're a big star. But don't think just because you're a big star that women fall down prostate on your glands".

Happy Thanksgiving!

[tvankirk]

I wish I had taken a holistic approach over a surgical one. I am very unhappy with my outcome. You need to make an educated decision and take into account quality of life versus quantity. I wish I had forgone treatment and just let it ride. I'm miserable now....

[cpcohen in reply to tvankirk]

tvankirk --

What treatment did you have,

. . . what are your side-effects,

. . . . . and have you had any serious counselling to help you deal with them?

Thanks --

. Charles

PS -- it might be worth starting up a new thread for this.

PPS -- there's no way to have a useful discussion about this, and maintain a "PG13" atmosphere.