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Pre\OCA. ON OCA

FEB. 8. MAR 11

Ast...18. Ast.... 14

Alt.... 28. Alt..... 21

Bili.... 0.35. Bili.... 0.39

AlkP... 159. AlkP... 169

Albu... 3.5. Albu... 3.5

After 30 days on 5mg Ocaliva & URSO

My numbers aren't bad but I'm disappointed becsuse OCA didn't normalize my alk-phos. My numbers back in Oct. last year had spiked prompting my doctors to put me on Ocaliva. They took me off of my RA drug Sulfasalazine and my numbers when back down. They still started me on Ocaliva. So, in 30 days, my alk-phos went up 10 points, and my Bilirubin 4.

Not sure what this means.... I'll wait to hear from my hepatologist. (I made Posole. Comfort food. 😊)

Stella❤

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Stella that looks so very good! Whatever the numbers mean I send a prayer that they are going to be doing as they should be. How do you feel? How are your energy levels? In my heart it seems that if you can make food as beautiful as this your are ok and you are going to be even better. You're wise to wait to hear from hepatologist... he knows what it means and it isn't helpful to you for us, with no knowledge, to speculate on the meaning. sent with love

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Thank you❤

I'm not good on numbers at all, but I can see bili isn't actually up 4: it's only up a tiny fraction of a second decimal place on previous reading, which is hardly at all x

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billhunter

Stella, the number changes may mean nothing. There will be sampling errors, analysis errors, the time of day makes a difference and what and when you last ate. My advice is to expect numbers to go up and down but take note of TRENDS over time. Maybe plot numbers on a chart. Best wishes.

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Ktltel in reply to billhunter

Yes, Thank you.

However, the transition in to taking Ocaliva and subsequently being on it for 30 days, should have made a "decrease" in my alk-phos. My GI was not pleased at all and asked me to continue taking it until I spoke with my hepatologist. My GI said this may be an early indication that I'm not going to respond to OCA as well. We will see.

Stella

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gwillistexas

Stella...try not fret too soon. May take little more time. I think if the goal isn’t achieved with 5mg, that’s when they bump to 10 mg. Your hep may wish to give it a little longer. He will guide you. Prayers 🙏🏻😊

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Ktltel in reply to gwillistexas

Thank you. I'm still waiting to hear from hep. ❤

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🙏🏻

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ninjagirlwebb

Stella,

Sorry for your frustrations & your present status. Hang in there & as everyone has said, need to look at trends & not just one lab result. Hope it trends better for next labs.

Lovely table setting & meal. Makes me hungry. Can you share your recipe.

Keep us posted.

Hugs,

Haley

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Ktltel in reply to ninjagirlwebb

budgetbytes.com/30-minute-p...

Easy.... 30 min. Recipe but super tasty. ❤

And thank you. 😊

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ninjagirlwebb in reply to Ktltel

Thank You. It looks so delicious!!!

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gwillistexas

By the way, dinner looks delicious 😀

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Ktltel

😋Super easy. My husband loves Mexican food. At least this recipe isn't cheesy, or has much fat.

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Jennyhadenough

I’m sorry Stella. Are you taking Urso with the acalva?!i have been unwell for two months now. I have read that some patients have take both. I hope that you get this sorted out.

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Ktltel in reply to Jennyhadenough

Oh man, I'm so sorry you're still not feeling better. Please keep me posted.

Yea, it is what it is. We will see what my hep has to say. ❤❤

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butterflyEi

Yummy! Can I come to dinner please?

Hope your hepatologist can alleviate your concerns

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cazer

Hi kittel... The top two have dropped... So that's good...

As I'm sure you already know reading's can go up and down for other reasons e. g a cold etc...

Does the consult want another set of bloods... You may need a couple to get a trend... Rather than a one off...

Maybe a case of the waiting game... So frustrating isn't...

Best wishes cazer.

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LorraineLouise

My numbers alk phas always runs between 150 and 175. Doctor said it will never be normal and he is pleased with the alk phas being where it is. I have learned to not pay so much attention to the numbers and just go by how I am feeling. I wish you all the best.

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Ktltel in reply to LorraineLouise

Hi,

Are you on Ocaliva?

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LorraineLouise

No I’m on Urso. I was diagnosed with PBC the same time as you were. I also have the same tendinitis issues. Painful. Are you taking anything for it?

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Ktltel in reply to LorraineLouise

I was on Sulfasalazine. I even had to wear wrist braces for 2 months. Ugh, what a hassle. But they kept me from banging my thumbs and fingers. Boy, that would send shooting pain through my whole arm like lightning. But, my DeQuarvains syndrome slowly went away on it's own. Right now I don't take anything for RA. I'm in remission sort of. Only slight stiffness for the past 6 months. Unfortunately humid weather is on its way here in Kansas. That usually makes my RA worse. Sulfasalazine caused my liver enzymes to rise. So I'm on URSO and Ocaliva only.

Stella❤

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LorraineLouise

Yes those wrist braces are a pain as well. I have very little mobility in the left hand and wrist. Went for physical therapy but only seemed to make it more painful. I’m reluctant to take anything due to the liver issues. Thank you for responding and I wish you the best.

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Ktltel in reply to LorraineLouise

I had physical therapy too. It did not help me. Have you looked in to LDN? I didn't believe it did anything at first. Then I stopped taking it. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but, my RA and DeQuervains slowly got better while I've been on it.

lowdosenaltrexone.org check out their website.

I take 3.5mg super low dose. I get mine from Belmar Pharmacy in Colorado

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LorraineLouise

Thank you. I never heard of it. But I will definitely check it out. Do you think it affected your lab numbers at all?

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Ktltel in reply to LorraineLouise

I don't know. Like I said, I actually went off of it for a month or so, my numbers stayed within the same range they have been for nearly 2 1\2 years. So I guess you can say they haven't gotten worse. In Feb my Alk-phos was 159. Its been awhile since it's been that low. I seem to fluctuate between 156 and 183 over the past year.

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4pjx__

Is there a possibility you could get in on the Seledapar research. I read they were looking for more people.

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Ktltel

I would LOVE to. But my doctors want me to give OCA more time. I don't. I think just about everyone's numbers lowered within 30 days on OCA.

How would I go about finding out more concerning the Seladelpar trials??

Stella

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Sachin1234

I think the dr will be really worried if your numbers are 3 times higher then normal..so I think you are holding up 🤗

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Ktltel in reply to Sachin1234

Yes, so true. My labs range for a normal alk-phos is 40-116. Every lab is different.

So, 3 times the upper end of (that) normal is...

116x3=348.

The highest my alk-phos has ever been is 190 approx. For 3 years all my other numbers have been in the normal range. Only my alk-phos has been continuously high. (I did have a weird elevated blip because of my RA drug. But I'm not on those anymore.)

My doctor was concerned because in 2 years I went from zero fibrosis to a KPA of 3.14. Which I believe is mild fibrosis. Correct me if I'm wrong there. Anyway, that's why they put me on OCA, because of that blip in my numbers, and the increase in my fibrosis in just 2 years.

Stella

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Ottley3

I think you should do your best not to worry (I know - easy to say!) and repeat test in 30 days. It’s such a short amount of time to give the medicine to work. I know the movement is not what you were hoping to see but I also don’t think its statistically significant. Do you have any side effects? I hope you are feeling good. Hang in there and keep cooking!

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Ktltel in reply to Ottley3

Thank you, I will. ❤

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Ottley3 in reply to Ktltel

Do you feel the same? Better? My enzymes were more elevated than yours but when i started to respond to medicine i did definitely feel better (even though I might not have identified myself as feeling worst before that if it makes any sense)

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Ktltel

Well, I guess I haven't experienced that change. I feel the same as before Ocaliva. Maybe a bit more fatigue. Just a smidge. But, I guess that's a good thing. No itching, nothing that consistently stands out as... "This is because of OCA." And honestly, I forget what it's like to wake up feeling really good. I don't feel bad, just... Eh. I have to push myself to go and do. But I'm almost 60. Maybe that's normal, or nearly normal. 🙂

How are you doing?

Stella

Hi Stella, I pm'd you.

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A few thoughts...

1) too soon to see if OCA is working

2) optimal dose of OCA is 10mg. If no serious side issues (e.g. itch) then raised to 10 mg after (I think) 6 months.

3) 15% variation in Alk Phos considered normal and not really an change as such.

4) Alk Phos not normal but still a good number to be going on with.

5) Breathe. Relax. Be patient. The most difficult part, I know, but PBC moves in years, not weeks or months.

6) great that you are being monitored so closely.

I hope that helps,

Robert

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Ktltel in reply to PBCRobert

Thank you. Yes to all the above. Will keep on plugging away.

Stella😁

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