Respiratory aspects of neurological disea... - Cure Parkinson's

Cure Parkinson's

25,510 members26,824 posts

Respiratory aspects of neurological disease FREEMichael I Polkeya, Rebecca A Lyalla, John Moxhama, P Nigel Leighb

19 Replies

Im suffocating slowly,, the original Dr Parkinson who described the disease in his notes claimed "methink my patients have trouble breathing." yeah...i know.....im at 48% capacity....less than 1 lung all from rigid chest muscles and diaphragms. and......its common and overlooked. ive had pd since i was 33 and im 52 now just fyi. cheers.

Exertional dyspnoea is commonly an early feature in respiratory disease; however, neurological disease may limit mobility and, as a consequence, preclude this symptom. Diagnosis of respiratory dysfunction resulting from neurological disease may therefore require a higher index of clinical suspicion or the application of specific tests; this exercise is worthwhile if it allows advance detection and discussion and (where appropriate) treatment, of impending overt respiratory dysfunction.

jnnp.bmj.com/content/66/1/5...

Read more about...
19 Replies

From the link:

“MOVEMENT DISORDERS

Parkinson’s disease is the most common movement disorder in developed countries. Even with levodopa therapy the cause of death in such patients is commonly respiratory.149 150Characteristic findings in such patients are a reduction in both maximal static inspiratory and expiratory pressures as well as maximal inspiratory and expiratory flows.151 Moreover, such patients are unable to generate a rapid rise in peak expiratory flow which may be important for a maximally effective cough, a finding consistent with the hypokinesia typical of the condition. These abnormalities were shown to be correctable in a substantial proportion of patients by the administration of apomorphine.152Interestingly, patients with early Parkinson’s disease and normal respiratory muscle strength are markedly less able to perform repetitive bursts of respiratory muscle work than age matched controls.153 Problems in the coordination of activation of respiratory muscle also seem to be responsible for the dyspnoea which can occur in patients with dystonia.154

Upper airway flutter is sometimes found on the flow volume loops of parkinsonian patients151; this indicates upper airway dysfunction and sleep abnormalities might therefore be expected. Obstructive apnoeas are more common in parkinsonian patients, but a range of other abnormalities are also found which result in fragmented sleep architecture.155 In the related condition of multisystem atrophy, glottic narrowing during sleep has been suggested as a possible cause of sudden nocturnal death. This is not always detectable by fibreoptic examinations conducted while the patient was awake,156 157 and polysomnography may therefore be indicated in symptomatic patients. However, in another study of patients with progressive supranuclear palsy, frequent desaturations were not found.158

in reply to

very nice! my peak expiratory FEV1, is 48 %, no interstishal scarring so no lung damage per se aside ftom the collapse features , atelectasis.........cheers! nice nugget........

in reply to

im also havng nocturnal and diurnal stridor ill try to post on that..

Hikoi profile image
Hikoi in reply to

BT thanks for this. I noticed breathing problems a long time ago but they never feature on PD literature and neuros never seem to bring them up. I appreciate reading what you find.

in reply to Hikoi

absolutely! cheers!

LAJ12345 profile image
LAJ12345

Have a look at this post on myofascial release. Halfway down I list some sites that have helpful exercises that I found that helped my breathing (I don’t have Parkinson’s but had been having issues of my own). The diaphragm release really helped me be able to breathe properly. Maybe it might work for PD too.

healthunlocked.com/parkinso...

in reply to LAJ12345

this is good stuff thank you for that. cheers!

LAJ12345 profile image
LAJ12345 in reply to

I have been continuing to work on my neck and back, stretching daily. Trying to turn my head to the side as far as I can. I think years of hunching over an iPad screen has stiffened up my neck and back.

in reply to LAJ12345

i try and be contentious about not hunching but gravity is winning...........cheers!

SilentEchoes profile image
SilentEchoes

Thank you for sharing this research paper. We tend to forget that respiratory function is affected across a wide range of neurological disorders, including PD.

"Respiratory muscle weakness is often unrelated to peripheral muscle weakness." This is an import statement to me, my respiratory insufficiency occurred well ahead of other more visible muscle weakness.

bepo profile image
bepo

See about getting an ozone treatment. Ozone turns to oxygen in your body, and floods your body with oxygen. Isn't that what your body is craving?

in reply to bepo

the problem with PD is that i retain carbon dioxide and so O2 is actually contraindicated as it raises carb diox expulsion resulting in a bolus of CO2

bepo profile image
bepo in reply to

Since you wouldn't be taking oxygen through your lungs directly, you might look at an ozone injection or IV. I bet it would be helpful.

SilentEchoes profile image
SilentEchoes in reply to

Me too, I have ALS. I do two things; I use an oxygen concentrator with my ventilator at night. I don't have to worry about loss of respiratory drive on the ventilator and I no longer wake up with headaches. My blood oxygen levels have improved. I was getting blood clots and angina from chronic hypoxia, this resolved with oxygen therapy.

I have a special mask that I use alone with the oxygen concentrator that washes out CO2. It's called the Oxymask OM-1125-8. I bought mine on Ebay. Having insufficient oxygen causes a cascade of other health problems.

Only the ventilator was prescribed - I research and then do what is best for me. You do you. 😊

chartist profile image
chartist in reply to SilentEchoes

I am curious if you have ever tried LDN for your ALS?

Art

in reply to chartist

never.

SilentEchoes profile image
SilentEchoes

Like Bepo said, ozone is 03. You need to be careful using it, ozone can cause burns.

bepo profile image
bepo in reply to SilentEchoes

One should not do ozone without being well trained.

im afraid im a bit beyond ozone....but good ideas!

You may also like...

Reactive Airways Dysfunction Syndrome RADS caused by L-dopa or inactive ingredients?

irritating compound. If there is no history of respiratory disease, with abrupt onset of...

\"Reverse Parkinson's Disease\" by John Pepper.

I am presently reading \\"Reverse Parkinson's Disease\\" by John Pepper. He is using brain training...

Breathing issues and Parkinson's Disease

Aug-Dec;14(4-6):512-8. PMID: 1293993 Respiratory dysfunction in Parkinson's disease. Brown LK. Clin...

GOOD NEWS! Newly developed nanobody can get through tough brain cells and treat Parkinson’s disease, says Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers

these diseases and eventually develop new treatments\\" says Mao, associate professor of...

How do I deal with neurologic deficit problems?

I had the one-year neurologic evaluation done last week. I thought it went okay. The doctor's...